And All Israel Shall Be Saved!

[armylngst]

God's prophets were prophets TO ISRAEL.
God's Word was given to Israel.
Jesus fulfilled the Law - especially the Ceremonial Law that instructed and commanded the high priest offer sacrifices yearly to atone - temporarily - the sins of the children of Israel under those Laws.
The high priest never left Israel to offer sacrifices for Gentiles. And Jesus as High Priest did not offer Himself for the sins of Gentiles. Gentiles were the enemy of God and of Israel. They were outside the covenants of God. The high priest sprinkled the Mercy Seat of the Hebrew Ark of the Covenant with the blood of the sacrifice and Jesus as High Priest was sent as Promised by God to the children of Israel to atone the sins of the children of Israel.

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Galatians 4:4–5.

There are NO GENTILES (non-Hebrews) that are mentioned in this passage by Saul. Saul was a rabbi and Pharisee and He knows that there are NO GENTILES in covenant with God.
NONE.
Stop adding to the Bible.

This is why, and I hope this is clear, there is a DISTINCTION between Israel (the remnant of in the nation of) and the Gentiles. Paul speaks to this in Romans. When the word Gentile is used by Paul in his letter, he is speaking of non-Jewish Gentiles, because they are a race. Mixed race Jews are NOT a race, thus not ethnos. Again, David, Jesus ancestor, was mixed race, because his father was mixed race. (Ruth, the Moabitess, was King David's grandmother.) Jesus had several non-Jewish Gentiles in his family tree. He was still a Jew, and considered a Jew. Moses married a non-Jewish Gentile after he received the law. It didn't bother God one bit. It set off his brother and sister, but God dealt with that personally.

I'm not adding to the BIble, you are removing from the Bible. Paul is clear. Non-Hebrew Gentiles being a part of the body of Christ was a mystery. God did not reveal it in the Old Testament. He first revealed it to Peter, but it was Paul who ran with it. God revealed it to Peter so that the non-Jewish Gentiles could be added to the church. As Paul says in Galatians, Jesus destroyed the emnity that existed between the Jews and the Gentiles. (Ethnos... so not mixed race.) In Acts, in one city, it speaks of Jews, Greeks and Gentiles in Acts. So, was Luke talking about the same people? Of course not, and the passage is actually quite clear about it.

IF you continue to believe that it is the flesh that saves, and thus the covenants, you are doomed. The flesh, the law, does not save at all. The Spirit, faith, that saves. Covenants do not. And again, Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, as priest, but JEsus is not a priest of any line of Israel. He is priest in the line of Melchizedek. Abraham himself paid homage to Melchizedek. Abraham did not go to Melchizedek. Melchizedek came to Abraham. Melchizedek was NOT Hebrew or Jewish, but he, as a non-Hebrew Gentile, was the priest of the Almighty God. So why are you saying that Melchizedek was hell bound, for not being a part of any covenant with God?

 

[armylngst]

In my opinion u do when it comes to israel, that says a lot

OK. Let's make this easy. Where, in all my comments, have I once equated God as the flesh? Where? God saves Israel, thus you must be calling God flesh since my trust is in God, and you say it is in flesh. I mean, the logic there is quite clear. You go as far as saying God is flesh, simply because my beliefs do not line up with yours.

But, to be straight up front, opinions are like backsides. Everyone has one.

 

[jeremiah1five]

All flesh means all flesh.

God is speaking to Israel. "All flesh" refers in context to all Hebrew/Jewish flesh.
That's your problem. You take everything God says to Israel and make it Gentile.
That's called "Replacement Theology" and it is a lie.
Joel was sent as God's prophet to Israel. His prophecies were spoken and later written to Israel.
Israel is the "apple of God's own eye." They are His people and they are His Church. They are His Bride.
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. The New Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah is a covenant between the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
God made NO COVENANT with Gentiles. NONE.

 

[jeremiah1five]

All flesh means all flesh.

You hold to Replacement Theology.
You make everything Hebrew/Jewish and re-interpret to insert Gentile into the Hebrew Scripture.
Everything Jewish you make into Gentile.
You replace God's people with Gentile people.
This is why your theology fails. God made no covenant with Gentiles and to God Gentiles are nothing and vanity.

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

The Word of God.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes because at that time the church, the body of Christ was there. Even the prophets were part of the Church, the Body of Christ. For the most part they were hated and persecuted by the jews according to the flesh.

Matt 23 30-38


Israel according to the flesh hated Israel the Church, the Body of Christ

Natural Olive tree Israel became spiritual Olive tree Israel when God gave Israel His Spirit.
The Bride and Church of God are Israel.
Jesus said He was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.
Gentiles are the enemy of God.
And there will come a day in which Jesus returns and fights alongside Israel against Gentiles.
And destroys them all with the breath and fire from His mouth.
Rev. 20:7-9.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yes because at that time the church, the body of Christ was there. Even the prophets were part of the Church, the Body of Christ. For the most part they were hated and persecuted by the jews according to the flesh.

Matt 23 30-38


Israel according to the flesh hated Israel the Church, the Body of Christ

You are so very deceived.
And confused.

 

[jeremiah1five]

This is why, and I hope this is clear, there is a DISTINCTION between Israel (the remnant of in the nation of) and the Gentiles. Paul speaks to this in Romans. When the word Gentile is used by Paul in his letter, he is speaking of non-Jewish Gentiles, because they are a race. Mixed race Jews are NOT a race, thus not ethnos. Again, David, Jesus ancestor, was mixed race, because his father was mixed race. (Ruth, the Moabitess, was King David's grandmother.) Jesus had several non-Jewish Gentiles in his family tree. He was still a Jew, and considered a Jew. Moses married a non-Jewish Gentile after he received the law. It didn't bother God one bit. It set off his brother and sister, but God dealt with that personally.

I'm not adding to the BIble, you are removing from the Bible. Paul is clear. Non-Hebrew Gentiles being a part of the body of Christ was a mystery. God did not reveal it in the Old Testament. He first revealed it to Peter, but it was Paul who ran with it. God revealed it to Peter so that the non-Jewish Gentiles could be added to the church. As Paul says in Galatians, Jesus destroyed the emnity that existed between the Jews and the Gentiles. (Ethnos... so not mixed race.) In Acts, in one city, it speaks of Jews, Greeks and Gentiles in Acts. So, was Luke talking about the same people? Of course not, and the passage is actually quite clear about it.

IF you continue to believe that it is the flesh that saves, and thus the covenants, you are doomed. The flesh, the law, does not save at all. The Spirit, faith, that saves. Covenants do not. And again, Jesus is the mediator of the New Covenant, as priest, but JEsus is not a priest of any line of Israel. He is priest in the line of Melchizedek. Abraham himself paid homage to Melchizedek. Abraham did not go to Melchizedek. Melchizedek came to Abraham. Melchizedek was NOT Hebrew or Jewish, but he, as a non-Hebrew Gentile, was the priest of the Almighty God. So why are you saying that Melchizedek was hell bound, for not being a part of any covenant with God?

This is God's attitude against "all nations" (Gentiles.)

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

 

[brightfame52]

OK. Let's make this easy. Where, in all my comments, have I once equated God as the flesh?

Okay where in all my comments I stated that you equated God as the flesh ? See now you being deceptive

 

[brightfame52]

Natural Olive tree Israel

The olive tree is Christ the head of the church. Just like He is the true vine in Jn 15

 

[brightfame52]

You are so very deceived.
And confused.

That's you, you have been deceived by you know who

 

[jeremiah1five]

The olive tree is Christ the head of the church. Just like He is the true vine in Jn 15

The Olive tree is Israel and Judah:

16 The LORD called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.
17 For the LORD of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal. Jeremiah 11:15–17.

The olive tree is a powerful symbol of identity, covenant, and spiritual life. While the text is very explicit about the olive tree representing Israel, the connection to Jesus Christ is often understood through his role as the "Root" and the "True Vine."

Root/true vine = Jesus Christ.
Olive tree = Israel and Judah.

The national symbol of Israel (unified nation) is the Olive tree. In this passage it cannot represent Jesus Christ for God does not pronounce evil upon Jesus Christ. But upon God's people who are disobedient Israel and Judah are "broken off", and if broken off God says He will graft the disobedient back in to make one unified Olive tree. Saul understands those that are disobedient and broken off that God grafts them BACK IN the Olive tree.

The Olive tree NEVER represents non-Hebrew Gentiles. The Scripture never says non-Hebrew Gentiles are an Olive tree. Your interpretation falls short of the glory that is God. Below, Saul quotes Jeremiah 11:16 and he, too, also knows the Olive tree is Israel and Judah and those that are disobedient are Jews that are broken off and grafted BACK IN again.

15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Romans 11:15–21.

 

[brightfame52]

The Olive tree is Israel and Judah:

Its Christ the root and firstfruit Rom 11 16,17

For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.

And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

 

[brightfame52]

The Olive tree is Israel and Judah:

VERSE SIXTEEN

• "For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches."

This is taken from the Jubilee Law, which was foreshadowing Christ, our Jubilee of rest. He is the true offering that makes the children of God Holy, which this ceremonial Law was the portent of.
Leviticus 23:16-17

• "Even unto the morrow after the seventh Sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
• Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals: they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the firstfruits unto the LORD."

Christ is the Firstfruit that came out of Israel, and it is through His work that we become as firstfruits unto God. He is the little leaven that makes the lump or 'whole mass' Holy. This figure is of course drawn from the example of placing yeast (leaven) in a lump such as dough, and this little bit of leaven will make the whole cake of dough rise. Likewise, Christ is the one who makes the whole Church Holy. This is the illustration of Christ's work in the Church to make it increase.
Matthew 13:31-33

• "Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
• Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof.
• Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened."

Christ is the epitome of the Kingdom of Heaven come down to earth, and He is the leaven of the lump (Church) that makes those in it sanctified and used for the 'purposes' of God. The Lord God alone gives the increase. He is that firstfruit, Holy, so that the whole lump can be firstfruits and Holy.
1st Corinthians 15:20

• "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept."

Because He is the firstfruit of Israel, we (as those risen in Him) are also firstfruits of Israel. The picture here is that Christ is the true Israel of God, which is the firstfruit, and Holy. In this He is what makes those branches growing from Him Holy and firstfruits. Whosoever thinks that they can of the law or by their own free will be Holy or righteous are deceiving themselves. It is the leaven that makes the lump rise.
And likewise, Christ is the Root of the tree, which sustains its life and nourishes it. This illustrates that it is the Root makes the branches Holy, and branches being Holy in and of themselves. Which is exactly why some could be broken off. The Root did not bear them, they were trying to bear themselves. Israel, in part, was trying to get into the Kingdom of heaven without Christ.

Revelation 22:16

• "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

Christ is the Root, which is the same word [rhiza], and except man receive his holiness and strength from 'this' Root, he will not endure in Israel because he has no sustenance. He is like a tree that has no root from which to get water, nourishment and the strength to survive in the world.
Luke 8:13

• "They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away."

These with no Root fall away because they do not have the strength of Christ. He is that root which would feed them that they would endure trial and strife. Without this root, when tribulation or trial arises, these plantings have no true faith that they would endure it. But if their Root and foundation is the strength and holiness of Christ, then these plantings will also be strong and Holy. Only then shall the branches endure and survive in this world.
The overview of verse sixteen is that, just as the children of Israel were cast off as dead, they can be received in again as life from the death. Because they do not stand on their own, Christ is able to make them stand. For if the firstfruit is holy, then whoever is in the lump will be made holy. Whether Jew or Gentile, if the root is holy, so are the branches of the Covenant tree of Israel. Gentiles aren't holier, Christ is the one who makes the children of covenant Israel the enduring Israel. The Covenant relationship with Israel symbolized by the, "Olive Tree," is one that without the Root bearing the branches, they are starved and cast off. For God is the one making the branches holy. It's not a matter of our free will, keeping the Law, or of Jewish lineage, it is a matter of God's will and His sovereign good purposes. He is the one who denies branches sustenance, and who cuts them off from Covenant Israel.https://www.mountainretreatorg.net/eschatology/romans11.shtml

 

[Rockerduck]

You hold to Replacement Theology.
You make everything Hebrew/Jewish and re-interpret to insert Gentile into the Hebrew Scripture.
Everything Jewish you make into Gentile.
You replace God's people with Gentile people.
This is why your theology fails. God made no covenant with Gentiles and to God Gentiles are nothing and vanity.

17 All nations before him are as nothing;
And they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
Isaiah 40:17.

The Word of God.

I never said I hold to replace theory. that's a trick out of your playbook accusatory. you are making everything up.
Amos 9:11-12-
“In that day I will raise up the fallen booth of David,
And wall up its breaches;
I will also raise up its ruins
And rebuild it as in the days of old;
that they may possess the remnant of Edom
And all the nations who are called by My name,”
Declares the Lord who does this.