Responsibilities to God and His Christ

[TomL]

Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. You still can't provide me a Scripture of God making covenant with a non-Hebrew Gentile, nor can you tell me his name.

If you read you will see the Gentiles were justified, given the Spirit, life, salvation


Rom 11:11–32 I say then, they did not stumble so that they fell, did they? May it never be! But by their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. And if their trespass means riches for the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fullness mean? Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Therefore, inasmuch as I am apostle to the Gentiles, I promote my ministry, if somehow I may provoke my people to jealousy and save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean except life from the dead? Now if the first fruits are holy, so also is the whole batch of dough, and if the root is holy, so also are the branches. Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although you were a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the root of the olive tree’s richness, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast against them, you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off in order that I could be grafted in.” Well said! They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand firm because of faith. Do not think arrogant thoughts, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity upon those who have fallen, but upon you the kindness of God—if you continue in his kindness, for otherwise you…

Eph 2:11–22Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, the so-called uncircumcision by the so-called circumcision in the flesh, made by hands, that you were at that time apart from Christ, alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, not having hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones who once were far away, have become near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of the partition, the enmity, in his flesh, invalidating the law of commandments in ordinances, in order that he might create the two in himself into one new man, thus making peace, and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in himself. And coming, he proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to the ones who were near, because through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Consequently, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens of the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole building, joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are built up together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Rom 9:24–26us whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As he also says in Hosea, “I will call those who were not my people, ‘My people,’ and those who were not loved, ‘Loved.’ And it will be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ”

Isa 49:6And he says, “It is trivial for you to be a servant for me, to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel. I will give you as a light to the nations, to be my salvation to the end of the earth.”

Acts 13:47–48For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have appointed you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you would bring salvation to the end of the earth.’ And when the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and to glorify the word of the Lord. And all those who were designated for eternal life believed.

Acts 15:7–9And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Gal 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.”

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, He is. But there were no non-Hebrew Gentiles being represented at His table at His last Passover in the upper room. There were thirteen Jews representing twelve tribes of Israel with Christ as the Tabernacle or body.

The Everlasting Covenant is not based on being a jew or Hebrew, it's not a race related Covenant, it's unilateral within the Godhead Trinity B4 time

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not the Gentiles of Gal 3:13-14 ; Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen[Gentiles ]through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

There's a problem with your position above.

"Heathen" in the passage above does not mean Gentiles. The word is "ethnos" in Greek and it doesn't always mean Gentile. The Hebrew people were an "ethnos", a tribe, or ethnic people, too. But look at the problem you have to try to interpret "heathen" as Gentiles.

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?
2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Galatians 3:1–9.

In the passage above Saul is addressing Jews. Since only Jews were under the Law Saul is addressing Jews in this letter in chapter three.
Then there is the "suffering" he is referring to. This, too, are Jews. They (Jewish Christians) were being persecuted by their Jewish brethren because of their teaching Jesus was Israel's Messiah, Lord, and King, but there was a problem. The Jews couldn't accept this Jesus who "hung on a tree" (cross), which under the Law anyone who was hung on a tree was cursed by God. They couldn't reconcile the fact that Jesus is that serpent on Moses' pole and was cursed by God meaning Jesus died a death as a transgressor of the Law of Moses and as a common thief. To them, how could their Lord and King and Kinsman-Redeemer be savior of the Jewish people if He is cursed by God? And in verse five Jesus asked "You who are under the Law, did you receive the Spirit through the Law of Moses or by faith?" But here's the thing:

The Law of Moses is type and shadow of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit was also prophesied by Joel as a Promise of God to Israel; to give them His Spirit which God would put in their inward parts, that the Spirit IS the Law of Moses Personified for both the Law is spiritual just as the Spirit is spiritual. In verse six Saul brings up Father Abraham to these Jews. Only Jews would know about Father Abraham. Verse seven Saul again brings up Father Abraham. Saul is "speaking" to Jews. In verse eight the "heathen" refers to "ethnos" or Jew-Gentile offspring who grew up in Gentile lands heavily influenced by Greek culture, these who did not return with Nehemiah and Ezra when Cyrus gave them permission to return from their captivity back to Israel. Saul ends his address on this subject to Jews that which he said in chapter 3:28-29, that these Jews who became born again were STILL Jews who were also descendants of Abraham.

 

[TomL]

Yes, He is. But there were no non-Hebrew Gentiles being represented at His table at His last Passover in the upper room. There were thirteen Jews representing twelve tribes of Israel with Christ as the Tabernacle or body.

Did you fail to read

Eph 2:11–22Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, the so-called uncircumcision by the so-called circumcision in the flesh, made by hands, that you were at that time apart from Christ, alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, not having hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones who once were far away, have become near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of the partition, the enmity, in his flesh, invalidating the law of commandments in ordinances, in order that he might create the two in himself into one new man, thus making peace, and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in himself. And coming, he proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to the ones who were near, because through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Consequently, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens of the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole building, joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are built up together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

While once strangers to the covenants of promise the gentiles are stated to be no longer strangers

A clear refutation of your theology

 

[jeremiah1five]

If you read you will see the Gentiles were justified, given the Spirit, life, salvation


Rom 11:11–32 I say then, they did not stumble so that they fell, did they? May it never be! But by their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. And if their trespass means riches for the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fullness mean? Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Therefore, inasmuch as I am apostle to the Gentiles, I promote my ministry, if somehow I may provoke my people to jealousy and save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean except life from the dead? Now if the first fruits are holy, so also is the whole batch of dough, and if the root is holy, so also are the branches. Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although you were a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the root of the olive tree’s richness, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast against them, you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off in order that I could be grafted in.” Well said! They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand firm because of faith. Do not think arrogant thoughts, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity upon those who have fallen, but upon you the kindness of God—if you continue in his kindness, for otherwise you…

Eph 2:11–22Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, the so-called uncircumcision by the so-called circumcision in the flesh, made by hands, that you were at that time apart from Christ, alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, not having hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones who once were far away, have become near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of the partition, the enmity, in his flesh, invalidating the law of commandments in ordinances, in order that he might create the two in himself into one new man, thus making peace, and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in himself. And coming, he proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to the ones who were near, because through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Consequently, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens of the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole building, joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are built up together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

Rom 9:24–26us whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As he also says in Hosea, “I will call those who were not my people, ‘My people,’ and those who were not loved, ‘Loved.’ And it will be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ”

Isa 49:6And he says, “It is trivial for you to be a servant for me, to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel. I will give you as a light to the nations, to be my salvation to the end of the earth.”

Acts 13:47–48For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have appointed you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you would bring salvation to the end of the earth.’ And when the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and to glorify the word of the Lord. And all those who were designated for eternal life believed.

Acts 15:7–9And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Gal 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.”

Yeah, you keep believing those books you read.

 

[brightfame52]

Heathen" in the passage above does not mean Gentiles

It does mean Gentiles, it's the same Greek word ethnos:

1. a tribe, nation, people group
2. in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
3. Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

In
It's the same word here talking about the same thing in distinction to Jews Rom 3:29-30

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

 

[TomL]

Yeah, you keep believing those books you read.

Um the book I have read from is called scripture

If you read you will see the Gentiles were justified, given the Spirit, life, salvation


Rom 11:11–32 I say then, they did not stumble so that they fell, did they? May it never be! But by their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. And if their trespass means riches for the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fullness mean? Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Therefore, inasmuch as I am apostle to the Gentiles, I promote my ministry, if somehow I may provoke my people to jealousy and save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean except life from the dead? Now if the first fruits are holy, so also is the whole batch of dough, and if the root is holy, so also are the branches. Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although you were a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the root of the olive tree’s richness, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast against them, you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off in order that I could be grafted in.” Well said! They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand firm because of faith. Do not think arrogant thoughts, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity upon those who have fallen, but upon you the kindness of God—if you continue in his kindness, for otherwise you…

Eph 2:11–22Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, the so-called uncircumcision by the so-called circumcision in the flesh, made by hands, that you were at that time apart from Christ, alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, not having hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones who once were far away, have become near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of the partition, the enmity, in his flesh, invalidating the law of commandments in ordinances, in order that he might create the two in himself into one new man, thus making peace, and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in himself. And coming, he proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to the ones who were near, because through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Consequently, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens of the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole building, joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are built up together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

These went from being strangers to the covenant to no longer being strangers to the covenant

Rom 9:24–26us whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As he also says in Hosea, “I will call those who were not my people, ‘My people,’ and those who were not loved, ‘Loved.’ And it will be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ”

Isa 49:6And he says, “It is trivial for you to be a servant for me, to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel. I will give you as a light to the nations, to be my salvation to the end of the earth.”

Acts 13:47–48For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have appointed you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you would bring salvation to the end of the earth.’ And when the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and to glorify the word of the Lord. And all those who were designated for eternal life believed.

Acts 15:7–9And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Gal 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.”

Why do you not read it?

 

[jeremiah1five]

It does mean Gentiles, it's the same Greek word ethnos:

1. a tribe, nation, people group
2. in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
3. Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

In
It's the same word here talking about the same thing in distinction to Jews Rom 3:29-30

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

Jews called mixed heritage Jews Samaritan and not Jew, the same that Jews call mixed heritage Jews "Gentile" and not Jew because they didn't see these mixed heritage Jews as fully Jewish.

The bottom line is that God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. Therefore, these "Gentiles" of the New Testament cannot be non-Hebrew for God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles for their salvation. Or, if these are non-Hebrew in the New Testament and they are becoming saved, then the New Testament in its entirety should be rejected for teaching something God never done in the Old Testament, and that is, He never made covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. The more likely is that these Gentiles are mixed race Jews like the Samaritans were mixed race Jews and Jews treated them unfairly and had racist attitudes towards them.

So, it's one of these two possibilities.

1. These "Gentiles" in the New Testament are mixed race Jews and are becoming saved/born-again because they are still Abraham's seed just like the Samaritan woman at the well in John 4.

or

2. These "Gentiles" are non-Hebrew Gentiles which means the New Testament in total is a false bible because there is nothing in the Old Testament of a covenant between God and the non-Hebrew Gentiles and if these "Gentiles" are non-Hebrew Gentile, then the New Testament is teaching Jesus and God destroyed the Law by changing the Law of Moses, which is tantamount to destroying the Law of Moses because there is no Scripture in the Old Testament of a salvation covenant between God and non-Hebrew Gentiles and Gentiles are being added to the Hebrew covenants after they had been closed and it is a sin to add to God's Word anything He did not say. It's like the same thing for false prophets. If it is a thing that God never said, then that thing will never come to pass. If it is a thing God never said and the New Testament is taking it upon itself to add Gentiles to the covenants Israel has with her God, then the New Testament is teaching a false covenant which has no Old Testament basis or mention.

Conclusion: These Gentiles in the New Testament are mixed race Jews and are still Abraham's seed no matter the dilution of Abraham's DNA; or, these Gentiles in the New Testament are real non-Hebrew Gentiles who are being born-again, in which case the New Testament should be rejected because Jesus and God lied and have added to the Scripture things not mentioned in the Old Testament, such as Gentiles being added to the Hebrew covenants after these covenants have been closed for centuries. Any change in the Law of Moses (such as Gentiles coming into the Jewish covenants) would mean that Jesus lied about not coming into the world to destroy the Law for any change to the Law after it had been closed would destroy the Law.

So, which is it?

 

[jeremiah1five]

It does mean Gentiles, it's the same Greek word ethnos:

1. a tribe, nation, people group
2. in the OT, foreign nations not worshipping the true God, pagans, Gentiles
3. Paul uses the term for Gentile Christians

In
It's the same word here talking about the same thing in distinction to Jews Rom 3:29-30

29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:

30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.

It is one of two choices:

1. These Gentiles in the New Testament are non-Hebrew, and they are being born-again by the Spirit of Promise, which was promised to Israel and not Gentiles. It also is evidence Jesus lied when He said He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill, which means that any change in the Law of Moses after this covenant had been closed for over a dozen centuries would destroy the Law of Moses. Or the second choice is:

2. These Gentiles in the New Testament are mixed race Jews (with at least one Gentile parent), and as such are still of the seed of Abraham and heirs according to the Promises God gave to Abraham.

So, which is it? Either Jesus lied or these Gentiles are mixed race Jews of Gentile descent and this means that they are still Abraham's seed and heirs to the promises of Abraham; or, Jesus lied and did come to change the Law of Moses by adding Gentiles into the Jewish covenants thus bringing change to the Law of Moses which is tantamount to Jesus destroying the Law of Moses by the adding of Gentiles after the Mosaic Covenant had been closed for over a dozen centuries.

Which is it?

 

[brightfame52]

Jews called mixed heritage Jews Samaritan and not Jew, the same that Jews call mixed heritage Jews "Gentile" and not Jew because they didn't see these mixed heritage Jews as fully Jewish.

Gentiles are incuded

 

[brightfame52]

is one of two choices:

1. These Gentiles in the New Testament are non-Hebrew, and they are being born-again by the Spirit of Promise, which was promised to Israel and not Gentiles. It also is evidence Jesus lied when He said He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill, which means that any change in the Law of Moses after this covenant had been closed for over a dozen centuries would destroy the Law of Moses. Or the second choice is:

Gentiles are incuded

 

[jeremiah1five]

Um the book I have read from is called scripture

If you read you will see the Gentiles were justified, given the Spirit, life, salvation


Rom 11:11–32 I say then, they did not stumble so that they fell, did they? May it never be! But by their trespass, salvation has come to the Gentiles, in order to provoke them to jealousy. And if their trespass means riches for the world and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their fullness mean? Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Therefore, inasmuch as I am apostle to the Gentiles, I promote my ministry, if somehow I may provoke my people to jealousy and save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean except life from the dead? Now if the first fruits are holy, so also is the whole batch of dough, and if the root is holy, so also are the branches. Now if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although you were a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the root of the olive tree’s richness, do not boast against the branches. But if you boast against them, you do not support the root, but the root supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off in order that I could be grafted in.” Well said! They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand firm because of faith. Do not think arrogant thoughts, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity upon those who have fallen, but upon you the kindness of God—if you continue in his kindness, for otherwise you…

Eph 2:11–22Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh, the so-called uncircumcision by the so-called circumcision in the flesh, made by hands, that you were at that time apart from Christ, alienated from the citizenship of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, not having hope, and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you, the ones who once were far away, have become near by the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of the partition, the enmity, in his flesh, invalidating the law of commandments in ordinances, in order that he might create the two in himself into one new man, thus making peace, and might reconcile both in one body to God through the cross, killing the enmity in himself. And coming, he proclaimed the good news of peace to you who were far away and peace to the ones who were near, because through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. Consequently, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but you are fellow citizens of the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole building, joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are built up together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

These went from being strangers to the covenant to no longer being strangers to the covenant

Rom 9:24–26us whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles? As he also says in Hosea, “I will call those who were not my people, ‘My people,’ and those who were not loved, ‘Loved.’ And it will be in the place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’ there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’ ”

Isa 49:6And he says, “It is trivial for you to be a servant for me, to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to bring back the preserved of Israel. I will give you as a light to the nations, to be my salvation to the end of the earth.”

Acts 13:47–48For so the Lord has commanded us: ‘I have appointed you to be a light for the Gentiles, that you would bring salvation to the end of the earth.’ And when the Gentiles heard this, they began to rejoice and to glorify the word of the Lord. And all those who were designated for eternal life believed.

Acts 15:7–9And after there was much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, “Men and brothers, you know that in the early days God chose among you through my mouth that the Gentiles should hear the message of the gospel and believe. And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Gal 3:8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, proclaimed the good news in advance to Abraham: “In you all the nations will be blessed.”

Why do you not read it?

Now, how does your interpretation square with the fact that God saves through covenant and non-Hebrew Gentiles have no covenant with God?

Your interpretation does two things:

Breaks with Scripture and makes Jesus a liar.

Breaks with Scripture:
***God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. If He did it would say so in the Old Testament and we would know the name of the Gentile mediator (Abraham, Moses, Jesus.)
***The covenants are closed to any change or additions.
***Jesus died a substitutionary death for the children of Israel. He died in their stead the same as the animal was sacrificed under the Law of Moses and its blood sprinkled upon the children of Israel.

Makes Jesus a Liar:
***Jesus said He did not come to change the Law. Adding non-Hebrew Gentiles after the covenants have been closed would mark a change in the Hebrew covenants and make Jesus a liar.

Now, deal with that.

 

[TomL]

Now, how does your interpretation square with the fact that God saves through covenant and non-Hebrew Gentiles have no covenant with God?

Your interpretation does two things:

Breaks with Scripture and makes Jesus a liar.

Breaks with Scripture:
***God made no covenant with non-Hebrew Gentiles. If He did it would say so in the Old Testament and we would know the name of the Gentile mediator (Abraham, Moses, Jesus.)
***The covenants are closed to any change or additions.
***Jesus died a substitutionary death for the children of Israel. He died in their stead the same as the animal was sacrificed under the Law of Moses and its blood sprinkled upon the children of Israel.

Um Jesus died for all

John 3:16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one died for all; as a result all died. And he died for all, in order that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.
1 Tim 2:5–6 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,
Heb 2:9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.
Rom 6:10 For that death he died, he died to sin once and never again, but that life he lives, he lives to God.
1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, in order that he could bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,
Rom 8:32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, together with him, freely give us all things?
1 Tim 4:10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 1:29 On the next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

Makes Jesus a Liar:
***Jesus said He did not come to change the Law. Adding non-Hebrew Gentiles after the covenants have been closed would mark a change in the Hebrew covenants and make Jesus a liar.

Now, deal with that.

Covenant closed? The covenant is closed to you then ?

It is not an everlasting covenant?

As for law

Rom 7:1–6 Or do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law is master of a person for as long a time as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of the husband. Therefore as a result, if she belongs to another man while her husband is living, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress if she belongs to another man. So then, my brothers, you also were brought to death with respect to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, sinful desires were working through the law in our members, to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to that by which we were bound, so that we may serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter of the law.
Heb 7:12For when the priesthood changes, of necessity there is a change of the law also.
Gal 3:19–25Why then the law? It was added on account of transgressions, until the descendant should come to whom it had been promised, having been ordered through angels by the hand of a mediator. Now the mediator is not for one, but God is one. Therefore is the law opposed to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, certainly righteousness would have been from the law. But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe. But before faith came, we were detained under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Rom 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
If you are still trying to earn righteousness by works of the law
You are failing as had previous Jews

Romans 9:31-33 (LEB) — 31 But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble, just as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble, and a rock that causes them to fall, and the one who believes in him will not be put to shame.”

 

[jeremiah1five]

Um Jesus died for all

John 3:16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one died for all; as a result all died. And he died for all, in order that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.
1 Tim 2:5–6 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,
Heb 2:9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.
Rom 6:10 For that death he died, he died to sin once and never again, but that life he lives, he lives to God.
1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, in order that he could bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,
Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,
Rom 8:32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, together with him, freely give us all things?
1 Tim 4:10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.
1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
John 1:29 On the next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!


Covenant closed? The covenant is closed to you then ?

It is not an everlasting covenant?

As for law

Rom 7:1–6 Or do you not know, brothers (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law is master of a person for as long a time as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies, she is released from the law of the husband. Therefore as a result, if she belongs to another man while her husband is living, she will be called an adulteress. But if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress if she belongs to another man. So then, my brothers, you also were brought to death with respect to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, sinful desires were working through the law in our members, to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released from the law, because we have died to that by which we were bound, so that we may serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter of the law.
Heb 7:12For when the priesthood changes, of necessity there is a change of the law also.
Gal 3:19–25Why then the law? It was added on account of transgressions, until the descendant should come to whom it had been promised, having been ordered through angels by the hand of a mediator. Now the mediator is not for one, but God is one. Therefore is the law opposed to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, certainly righteousness would have been from the law. But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe. But before faith came, we were detained under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Rom 10:4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
If you are still trying to earn righteousness by works of the law
You are failing as had previous Jews

Romans 9:31-33 (LEB) — 31 But Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, did not attain to the law. 32 Why that? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if by works. They stumbled over the stone that causes people to stumble, just as it is written, “Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone that causes people to stumble, and a rock that causes them to fall, and the one who believes in him will not be put to shame.”

Jesus died for all?

So, everyone will be saved?

 

[TomL]

Jesus died for all?

So, everyone will be saved?

Nope as faith is necessary.

But what do you do with the verses that speak of God's love for the world and Christ's dying for all

John 3:16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one died for all; as a result all died. And he died for all, in order that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.

1 Tim 2:5–6 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

Heb 2:9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.
Rom 6:10 For that death he died, he died to sin once and never again, but that life he lives, he lives to God.

1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, in order that he could bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

Rom 8:32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, together with him, freely give us all things?

1 Tim 4:10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

John 1:29 On the next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

 

[jeremiah1five]

Nope as faith is necessary.

But what do you do with the verses that speak of God's love for the world and Christ's dying for all

John 3:16 For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

1 John 2:2 and he is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2 Cor 5:14–15 For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one died for all; as a result all died. And he died for all, in order that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.

1 Tim 2:5–6 For there is one God and one mediator between God and human beings, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself a ransom for all, the testimony at the proper time,

Heb 2:9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.
Rom 6:10 For that death he died, he died to sin once and never again, but that life he lives, he lives to God.

1 Pet 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, in order that he could bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit,

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people,

Rom 8:32 Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, together with him, freely give us all things?

1 Tim 4:10 For to this end we labor and suffer reproach, because we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of believers.

1 John 4:14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

John 1:29 On the next day he saw Jesus coming to him and said, “Look! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!

You don't understand the error of believing Jesus died for no one when believing that a person has to exert faith in Christ to be saved.

The Scripture teaches that the day Jesus died He actually saved "someone" that day, not make salvation possible if one would later believe.
When the animal was sacrificed under the Law did anyone have to exert faith that the animal sacrificed would save them? Christ died under the Law. He took the place of the animal that WAS TO BE SACRIFICED.

But if you believe that a person can be saved if they would have faith in Jesus to save them means that on the day Jesus died, He saved no one. That's because His death does not become effective until someone would later believe. This means on the day He died He saved no one because His atonement isn't effective until someone later believes.

Do you understand the error of believing the way you do? If someone were to later believe in Jesus for salvation, then this means that on the day Jesus died He saved no one for it doesn't become effective until someone later would believe. What this means is that Jesus saved no one on the day He died. You believe Jesus' death saved no one if you believe someone has to later believe in order to be saved. Do you understand the fallacy of believing this. You believe this crap and in doing so means Jesus died THAT DAY and saved no one.
False doctrine. You believe in heresy. Plain and simple.

 

[TomL]

You don't understand the error of believing Jesus died for no one when believing that a person has to exert faith in Christ to be saved.

The Scripture teaches that the day Jesus died He actually saved "someone" that day, not make salvation possible if one would later believe.
When the animal was sacrificed under the Law did anyone have to exert faith that the animal sacrificed would save them? Christ died under the Law. He took the place of the animal that WAS TO BE SACRIFICED.

But if you believe that a person can be saved if they would have faith in Jesus to save them means that on the day Jesus died, He saved no one. That's because His death does not become effective until someone would later believe. This means on the day He died He saved no one because His atonement isn't effective until someone later believes.

Do you understand the error of believing the way you do? If someone were to later believe in Jesus for salvation, then this means that on the day Jesus died He saved no one for it doesn't become effective until someone later would believe. What this means is that Jesus saved no one on the day He died. You believe Jesus' death saved no one if you believe someone has to later believe in order to be saved. Do you understand the fallacy of believing this. You believe this crap and in doing so means Jesus died THAT DAY and saved no one.
False doctrine. You believe in heresy. Plain and simple.

You are assuming your theology

Scripture is clear: salvation, justification, righteousness, reception of the Spirit are all by faith

John 3:16
For in this way God loved the world, so that he gave his one and only Son, in order that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but will have eternal life.

Eph 2:8–9
For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast.

Rom 10:9–10
that if you confess with your mouth “Jesus is Lord” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household!”

Mark 16:16
The one who believes and is baptized will be saved, but the one who refuses to believe will be condemned.

1 John 5:13
These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life.

John 5:24
Truly, truly I say to you that the one who hears my word and who believes the one who sent me has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

1 Peter 1:3–5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 into an inheritance imperishable and undefiled and unfading, reserved in heaven for you 5 who are being protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time,

Rom 3:22–24
that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,

Gal 2:16
but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

John 11:25–26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me, even if he dies, will live, and everyone who lives and believes in me will never die forever. Do you believe this?”

2 Thess 2:13
But we ought to give thanks to God always concerning you, brothers dearly loved by the Lord, because God has chosen you as first fruits for salvation by the sanctification of the Spirit and faith in the truth,

Acts 13:39
by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Rom 4:5
But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness,

1 Cor 15:1–2
Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you, which you have also received, in which you also stand, by which you are also being saved, if you hold fast to the message I proclaimed to you, unless you believed to no purpose.

Eph 1:13–14
in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the down payment of our inheritance, until the redemption of the possession, to the praise of his glory.

2 Tim 3:15
and that from childhood you have known the holy writings that are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

John 20:31
but these things are recorded in order that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Acts 15:11
But we believe we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus in the same way those also are.”

Gal 3:22
But the scripture imprisoned all under sin, in order that the promise could be given by faith in Jesus Christ to those who believe.

Acts 13:38–39
“Therefore let it be known to you, men and brothers, that through this one forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you, and from all the things from which you were not able to be justified by the law of Moses, 39 by this one everyone who believes is justified!

Acts 10:43
To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

Acts 26:18
to open their eyes so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Romans 3:23–25
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God made publicly available as the mercy seat through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, because of the passing over of previously committed sins,

Rom 5:1
Therefore, because we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Galatians 3:2 (LEB) — 2 I want only to learn this from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Galatians 3:5 (LEB) — 5 Therefore does the one who gives you the Spirit and who works miracles among you do so by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

Ephesians 1:13 (LEB) — 13 in whom also you, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, in whom also when you believed you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,

John 7:38–39 (LEB) — 38 the one who believes in me. Just as the scripture said, ‘Out of his belly will flow rivers of living water.’ ” 39 (Now he said this concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were about to receive. For the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.)

Galatians 3:14 (LEB) — 14 in order that the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.