jeremiah1five
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I'm trusting in the eternal Word of God.
And All Israel Shall Be Saved!
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brightfame52
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Good Morning, no you are trusting in the flesh, salvation based upon ones physical connection to Abraham, you have fallen into the trap and snare and racial pride as these Matt 3 9
9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
brightfame52
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I'm going to clarify something. National ethnic Israel was God's people while under the old covenant and it was by national covenant. However within that national covenant Israel was a remnant Israel the spiritual body of Christ, God's people He foreknew. That Israel will be conformed to the image of Christ. Rom 8:29
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
So yes in a real sense national ethnic Israel was God's people for a time by national covenant! 2
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren
So yes in a real sense national ethnic Israel was God's people for a time by national covenant! 2
jeremiah1five
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Even in the stones God calls them "children of Abraham", and the only way one is a child of a father is through biology.
brightfame52
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You trusting in blood descendant, the flesh, the Spiritual seed isnt born of blood Jn 1:13
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
e v e
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Only the eden soul is from God .
and not those of serpent Nature .
and not the flesh body .
God put enmity between those and the woman, and between its seed and her seed
Christ was there in our Home , the eden garden... with all His eden souls...
judaism does not follow Christ .
not before the fall , not at the fall ,
not after the fall .
the judaism system's concepts (regardless
of time period) concerning who
are God's souls and who is promised
to return to eden are Irrelevant.
and not those of serpent Nature .
and not the flesh body .
God put enmity between those and the woman, and between its seed and her seed
Christ was there in our Home , the eden garden... with all His eden souls...
judaism does not follow Christ .
not before the fall , not at the fall ,
not after the fall .
the judaism system's concepts (regardless
of time period) concerning who
are God's souls and who is promised
to return to eden are Irrelevant.
brightfame52
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The Old Testament Saints are part of Christ Body the Church, or they will not partake of the resurrection in the Last day which they had an eye to. Christ is the firstfruits 1 Cor 15:12-23
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
Jesus Christ is the resurrection Jn 11:24-25
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
Paul testifies that the OT Fathers believed in the resurrection Acts 24:14-15
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 15 and have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Now the resurrection of the just, or Justified of all time is contingent upon being in Christ ! Its only in Him that all shall be made alive. That goes for King David, or the Philippian Jailor. 6
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: 14 and if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. 15 Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. 16 For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: 17 and if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. 19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming.
Jesus Christ is the resurrection Jn 11:24-25
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
Paul testifies that the OT Fathers believed in the resurrection Acts 24:14-15
14 But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets: 15 and have hope toward God, which they themselves also allow, that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust.
Now the resurrection of the just, or Justified of all time is contingent upon being in Christ ! Its only in Him that all shall be made alive. That goes for King David, or the Philippian Jailor. 6
e v e
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all true.
jeremiah1five
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You fail to understand this part of the passage you post:
"but of God."
This passage, written to Jews, is confirmation that God is the Spirit that makes natural Olive tree Israel spiritual Olive tree Israel.
Stop taking the Word of God to Israel and spinning it to apply to non-Hebrews.
brightfame52
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You trusting in being born of blood
jeremiah1five
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No, being "born of God."
brightfame52
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No you are trusting in being born of blood
brightfame52
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The Church, the Body of Christ is the Seed of Abraham, for its seen when we consider a couple of verses in Hebrews to start. Heb 2:11
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
This no doubt refers to Christ as the " He that sanctifieth" and the " we who are sanctified" are His Body the Church, and they are of One or they are One. The Head and His Members are One 1 Cor 12:12
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
Col 1:18
And he[Christ] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Now lets look again in Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
So He became One when He took on the seed of Abraham in the flesh, He identified in the flesh with those e is the Head of, they also being the members of His Body.
Christ is the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And His Body the Church is Abrahams Seed Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.6
11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
This no doubt refers to Christ as the " He that sanctifieth" and the " we who are sanctified" are His Body the Church, and they are of One or they are One. The Head and His Members are One 1 Cor 12:12
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
Col 1:18
And he[Christ] is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Now lets look again in Heb 2:16-17
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people
So He became One when He took on the seed of Abraham in the flesh, He identified in the flesh with those e is the Head of, they also being the members of His Body.
Christ is the Seed of Abraham Gal 3:16
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
And His Body the Church is Abrahams Seed Gal 3:29
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.6
jeremiah1five
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Don't twist my words or attempt to make them express something I never said. It's dishonest and deceiving. There is something wrong with your heart and your character in doing this. Take my words as written.
You quote John 1:12-13 against me to make "Which were born, not of blood" as "proof" that God's Promise to Abraham that his biological seed (Issac, Jacob, and Jacob's twelve sons, and their families, etc.) is not inherited Promises when Scripture quotes that very exact thing.
2 And I will make my covenant between me and thee, and will multiply thee exceedingly. Genesis 17:2.
God Himself in the passage above not only gives Abraham an heir from his body as Abraham complained to God he wanted instead of having all Abraham's property - including Promises made by God - to be inherited at his death by a servant named "Eliezar" in Genesis 15:2.
2 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus?
3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir.
4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. Genesis 15:2–4.
God is faithful and God does not lie. God will keep all His promises made to Abraham that passes unfulfilled in Abraham's lifetime that God says will pass to his biological seed (Isaac) for that is one of the terms of God's promise to Abraham. IT EXTENDS TO HIS BIOLOGICAL SEED (Isaac). And as long as God wishes to withhold fulfilling every promise He made to not only Abraham, but to Isaac and Jacob in succeeding passages in Genesis is God's prerogative. You are wrong to say that salvation is only "through faith" irrespective of covenant or birth of Abraham and his heir. Jesus Christ is an heir of Abraham in whom God has made to be the culmination of all His promises made to Abraham and to his seed.
You try to make salvation not part of the Promises God gave to Abraham recorded in Genesis 12, 15, and 17, which clearly state that everything about Redemptive History is tied to one man and to his biological seed.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:12–13.
Isaac was "OF GOD" as the narration is Genesis states. So was Jacob and his twelve sons. This whole family was marked by God as "His people" and the Bible is a record of their history as told by men (and women) God used to tell it. Jesus Himself says "salvation is of the Jews" but you'll never read in its pages that "salvation is of the Gentiles." nor do you read that God made promises to non-Hebrews nor ever fought for them and their interests. God never gave His Law to Gentiles. Throughout the Bible Gentiles were the enemy of the Hebrew people also called Jews.
I know my (spiritual) birth was real and it was Biblical. It was "OF GOD."
So, deal with it.
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