An Article on free will

[synergy]

Then you will never understand the gospel of salvation.

So only if I view your statements as coming from a Pope and I recant James 2:24 will I have salvation? Seriously???

I am pro james. And james is pro paul.

You continue to fail the eye test of James 2:24. Is that how one follows James?

There is no debate. The debate was over when you claimed James did not say they claimed to have faith..

Explain your convoluted reasoning. Trying to follow your reasoning without you offering any Biblical support is an exercise in futility.

Your lost in your self righteous works.
Your no different than the jews,,

You continue to deny James 2:24.

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

 

[Selah]

I was simply giving you the definition of the word faith. To have faith in something, by definition, means to believe in something. So when you said, "It takes faith to believe in our Savior Jesus Christ", that was oxymoronic. You are saying, "It takes faith to have faith in our Savior Jesus Christ".

I agree, …but according to @Red Baker, belief is not considered a work, but faith is considered a work.
Now that’s what doesn’t make sense because it takes faith to believe. See what I mean?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I was simply giving you the definition of the word faith. To have faith in something, by definition, means to believe in something. So when you said, "It takes faith to believe in our Savior Jesus Christ", that was oxymoronic. You are saying, "It takes faith to have faith in our Savior Jesus Christ".

Again, this is false

Faith (in the English and specifically in the Greek, means to have assurance in, to trust, to be confident in.

Believe can mean anything from mental ascent to faith,,

I can believe yet not have faith

but I can not have faith and not believe

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

To believe in something means, by definition, to have faith in that thing.

No sir, this is not true in all cases

the demons believe yet tremble..

they did not trust God. that's why they fell.

Many believe in Jesus and the father , but they have no trust or assurance in them (they do not trust them)

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

So only if I view your statements as coming from a Pope and I recant James 2:24 will I have salvation? Seriously???

You continue to fail the eye test of James 2:24. Is that how one follows James?

Explain your convoluted reasoning. Trying to follow your reasoning without you offering any Biblical support is an exercise in futility.

You continue to deny James 2:24.

24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

dude, You want to keep trying to troll me I will treat you as a troll.

Feel free to believe whatever you want. I could really care less.

If you want to earn salvation, keep trying, No one will stop you. God will not stop you

However, when you stand in front of God. and you try to boast in all your works.. Your not going to like his answer.

It is sad that your hatred of calvinism has you blinded to not only what people believe. but to the truth of the word

 

[synergy]

dude, You want to keep trying to troll me I will treat you as a troll.

If James 2:24 makes you feel that way then ask yourself why.

Feel free to believe whatever you want. I could really care less.

If you want to earn salvation, keep trying, No one will stop you. God will not stop you

Nobody is feels any entitlement or boasting here. You're spewing out strawmen again.

However, when you stand in front of God. and you try to boast in all your works.. Your not going to like his answer.

As much as you like to pontificate as a Pope, unless your name is Robert Provost you are not the Pope.

It is sad that your hatred of calvinism has you blinded to not only what people believe. but to the truth of the word

As I told you before, I view you much much more as one who pontificates (as a Pope does) than a Calvinist. So you're just spewing out strawmen as usual.

 

[MTMattie]

The Word of God is good unto salvation (Romans 1:16); moreover, any words/concepts beyond the scope established by the Word of God are enshrined within the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

No Word of God states man was imparted a free-will to choose towards God,

That free-will was only imparted to the angels when created ... Not in the bible you say.... Isaiah 14:13-14 says differently.

That free-will was imparted to at least 1 woman, and questioning if the man had free will or just did not want to hear about another headache. God may have made man in their image, but thought a little improvement when it came to woman which backfired. After all, she WAS the only female that was similar to man that God had made. There were no female angels... at least not in the bible.... so???????/ was it an experiment or by design with foreknowledge of what was to come?

Read Genesis 3:6

so free-will is dead within the traditions of men boundary; therefore, the Lord's words "in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men" (Matthew 15:9) most certainly address your Free-willian Philosophy.



The Sovereignty of God requires that no sovereignty of man (free-will) exists:

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In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE BEAUTIFUL LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!​

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NOW, EACH VERSE VERBATIM.

God reveals God's Sovereignty and God's control over absolutely every inhabitant of earth thus the vanity of your Free-willian Philosophy is exposed:

• "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except because of Me" (John 14:6),
• "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 1:1).
• "But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him who lives forever; for His dominion is an everlasting dominion, and His kingdom endures from generation to generation. All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, but He does according to His will in the host of heaven and among the inhabitants of earth, and no one can ward off His hand, or say to Him, ‘What have You done?'" (Daniel 4:34-35).

By definition, there can only be one sovereign; otherwise, that one is not sovereign.

Either you believe Jesus when His Majesty says "The words that I speak to you are Spirit and they are Life" (John 6:63), or you do not believe in Jesus Christ because you fail to receive the treasure that are the Word of God "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

If James 2:24 makes you feel that way then ask yourself why.

Nobody is feels any entitlement or boasting here. You're spewing out strawmen again.

As much as you like to pontificate as a Pope, unless your name is Robert Provost you are not the Pope.

As I told you before, I view you much much more as one who pontificates (as a Pope does) than a Calvinist. So you're just spewing out strawmen as usual.

Good day sir

I am done feeding a troll

when you stop hating calvinism so much you think everyone is a calvinist. and humble yourself. I may talk to you again, until them, i am done

 

[MTMattie]

No sir, this is not true in all cases

the demons believe yet tremble..

They never had faith in anyone other then Lucifer AKA Satan.

they did not trust God. that's why they fell.

Their allegiance would not allow them too.

Many believe in Jesus and the father , but they have no trust or assurance in them (they do not trust them)

I still fault the clergy. I know a "Jesish" man who believes in Jesus. But will only say "Jesus may be God."
This one was a councilor for a diocese in south Miami. Married to a Catholic girl. Kids raised in that church.
Who is to fault. Certainly the wife for not correcting him ... but then what was she told?

And the clergy who would kiss the ring of one that said having a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous if it takes you away from the church.

But why comment about anyone when there are not 2 people on this board that agree 100% with what the written word means.

 

[Jim]

Again, this is false

Faith (in the English and specifically in the Greek, means to have assurance in, to trust, to be confident in.

Believe can mean anything from mental ascent to faith,,

I can believe yet not have faith

but I can not have faith and not believe

To believe is mental assent. To believe in is to have mental assent plus to have trust and confidence. To believe in is to have trust. That is definitional in English and Greek.

 

[Jim]

No sir, this is not true in all cases

the demons believe yet tremble..

they did not trust God. that's why they fell.

Many believe in Jesus and the father , but they have no trust or assurance in them (they do not trust them)

Wrong!!!!

 

[civic]

I agree, …but according to @Red Baker, belief is not considered a work, but faith is considered a work.
Now that’s what doesn’t make sense because it takes faith to believe. See what I mean?

ditto

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

They never had faith in anyone other then Lucifer AKA Satan.

amen,

but this till believed

Their allegiance would not allow them too.

or their unbelief?

I still fault the clergy. I know a "Jesish" man who believes in Jesus. But will only say "Jesus may be God."
This one was a councilor for a diocese in south Miami. Married to a Catholic girl. Kids raised in that church.
Who is to fault. Certainly the wife for not correcting him ... but then what was she told?

And the clergy who would kiss the ring of one that said having a personal relationship with Jesus is dangerous if it takes you away from the church.

But why comment about anyone when there are not 2 people on this board that agree 100% with what the written word means.

I blame our pride.

people reject God for many reasons..

 

[MTMattie]

amen,

but this till believed

But they did not trust and I think that is a clearer description of the kind of faith that we are talking about.

One can believe something. One can even believe IN something but not trust it. Even once can believe because they know but still not trust.

But believing faith for me is putting my full trust in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit....ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE WAY THE FATHER HAS HAD MY BACK 3 TIMES IN MY LIFE, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
WITHIN THE PAST DECADE. (That was mind blowing)

or their unbelief?

I blame our pride.

people reject God for many reasons..

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

But they did not trust and I think that is a clearer description of the kind of faith that we are talking about.

yes, you can believe (know something) but not trust.

One can believe something. One can even believe IN something but not trust it. Even once can believe because they know but still not trust.

we see this all the time.. even many Christians believe, yet do not trust..

But believing faith for me is putting my full trust in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit....ESPECIALLY WHEN I HAVE HAD PERSONAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE WAY THE FATHER HAS HAD MY BACK 3 TIMES IN MY LIFE, AND THE HOLY SPIRIT
WITHIN THE PAST DECADE. (That was mind blowing)

We trust God.

He said I have this offer of salvation. I will give you eternal life if you take it.

if we come to faith we will recieve

if not. we will not recieve or at the least not accept under Gods terms, but under our own

 

[synergy]

Good day sir

I am done feeding a troll

when you stop hating calvinism so much you think everyone is a calvinist. and humble yourself. I may talk to you again, until them, i am done

If believing James 2:24 makes me a troll then so be it. I've been called a lot worse names than that for believing the Bible.

 

[civic]

When things start getting unfruitful it’s best to let it rest . Just my 2 cents fwiw and I’m not blaming or siding with anyone.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

When things start getting unfruitful it’s best to let it rest . Just my 2 cents fwiw and I’m not blaming or siding with anyone.

I am done, I am not feeding him anymore.

 

[Red Baker]

@Selah

I must disagree. Faith is not a work as you consider it. It takes FAITH to believe in our Savior Jesus Christ.
Hebrews 11:6 (NKJV) But without faith [it is] impossible to please [Him,] for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and [that] He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

Greetings, I think this is my first time speaking directly to you. I'm short on time this week, hoping to have more after tomorrow afternoon when children will be leaving after Mother's day.

I love your forum name, a favorite word of mine from the scriptures, I use it often.

Now, to your post ~it does not surprise me you do disagree, most do, and it doesn't bother me when others disagree with me, it makes me ponder the scriptures more, first to make sure I'm correct, and then to prepare myself to answer them~the first I used to do quite often, but much less now, since at my age, you generally do not change much, but do at times, if convincing arguments are presented, but it is more just being a little more lightened, as Apollos was by Priscilla and Aquila.

Only regenerate children of God can COME TO GOD in the manner in which the scriptures speaks of coming to WORSHIP.

Hebrews 11:4​

“By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.”

Abel's offering as he came to worship was more excellent than his brother, proving that his worship was of true faith based upon God described appointed means to come to him~Cain worshipped in unbelief bringing the works of his sinful mind of what HE THOUGHT he should do to please God.

Bottom line, faith is a WORK~but Abel's offering (his work) came from his new nature that God had created IN HIM after the image of Jesus Christ, the coming sin offering for God's people of Genesis 3:15. The image of God and Jesus Christ are one and the same, for Jesus was the express image of God in the flesh, when folks saw Jesus they saw God, for indeed he was God manifest in the flesh.

I must ask you as I have others who believe that our faith is the means of our legal justification and it is this:

Is it an act of faith that justifies legally? Or, A life of faith? Or only while you have faith? Or what?

Only the faith and obedience of Jesus Christ is the grounds of our legal justification. Our faith, which at times (most of the time) is weak, cannot be the legal grounds of a sinner's justification. God's law demands perfection before it will acquit a man of its condemnation of it. Jesus Christ WAS THE SURETY of God's elect~in what sense was he so? Can you tell me? Anyone tell me?

Later~RB

 

[Selah]

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Jesus Christ WAS THE SURETY of God's elect~in what sense was he so? Can you tell me? Anyone tell me?

Jesus Christ was the PERFECT sacrifice; His shed blood on the Cross makes us worthy of salvation in God’s eyes.

… Selah