civic
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An Article on free will
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Did God Die on the Cross?: The Trinity and the Crucifixion — Center For Baptist Renewal
BRANDON D. SMITH: Did God die on the cross? The short answer is yes.
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civic
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On my phone ?
Selah
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Actually, I tend to shy away from these Calvinist-type discussions as they seem to always lead to endless arguments. Once in a great while, I’ll post something like I did today; I don’t usually.
Johann
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Don't fret brother, I took me half an hour to post this to you--this site is slowing my computer down.
Well, I'm a male~In English, a male goose is called a ganger . The term "goose" typically refers to a female goose. A group of geese is often referred to as a gaggle, a skein, or a team. Without question at times in my Christian life, I have been a silly gander, but concerning the following truth:
"Not" as far as regeneration goes, "only" those who have been born again, have the power given to hear, and to act, according to the Lord Jesus Christ teachings:
John 6:65
“And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”Matthew 16:17
“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."The "ROCK OF DIVINE REVELATION" is the only means Christ is building HIS Church! Selah!
My oh my! I live half around the world from you and truly went to bed the SAME TIME you did almost. I went to bed 645 pm east coast time in America~you had not even started to dream very much when I went to bed....
I said to my dear wife once, "Honey, wish you would get up and see the beautiful sunrise with me, she came back and said~I wish you would stay up and see it set with me!"
@ GodsGrace
So, do not put words in my mouth that I do not believe in, nor teach, as you did when you said:
Our life of a believer living out our profession, is our personal faith, and we can add to our faith, or not; we can be spiritual, or carnal; yet the fact that we even believe is based on the faith and obedience of Christ. There is a difference between the two truths, when carefully considered, just as it was with Abraham and Lot; David and Solomon; Peter and John; Paul and other apostles; etc.
I said this to you:
Fran, God's elect are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus, and being His workmanship, he has also ordained that we walk in good works, having given us the power to do so through the new man within us, that is created after the image of His son, Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:10
“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”Titus 3:8
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”So, do not put words in my mouth that I do not believe in, nor teach, as you did when you said:
That being said, among God's elect, there are believers that range from Abraham to Lot, as far as having good works in their life, sad to say, but very true. Yet, both are saved by the obedience of ONE PERSON, Jesus Christ, not by their obedience.
I understand, and so I believe and teach:
Necessary for WHAT? To be born again, which I reject as another gospel; or, to give unto God an answer of a good conscience, which I DO believe and teach.
Fran, you are slow of learning, (spiritual speaking, obviously you are a bright person) and are not following all of my post carefully.
Our life of a believer living out our profession, is our personal faith, and we can add to our faith, or not; we can be spiritual, or carnal; yet the fact that we even believe is based on the faith and obedience of Christ. There is a difference between the two truths, when carefully considered, just as it was with Abraham and Lot; David and Solomon; Peter and John; Paul and other apostles; etc.
Another subject for another day, I trust the word of God given to our forefather, that most of them lived by until around 1850 plus when this world's market places were beginning to be flooded with false versions of the word of God ~ and they are still coming.....there are versions according to whatever lifestyle one choses to live to accommodate you. I'll past.
GodsGrace
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Good morning Selah....
Let's continue....
Election is definetly in the bible.
1. The Hebrews/Israelites/Jews were the elected of God. He elected/CHOSE them from whom to reveal Himself.
2. We, those who believe, are the elect/CHOSEN of God.
I'm only saying this:
IF you use the word ELECT ... to a calvinist it means that God chose who will be saved based on nothing at all...they will think that You are calvinist because it's THEIR language.
You are 100% correct in your above post:
Election is for:
METHOD or
PURPOSE
But Calvinists do not accept this biblical truth....
they just attribute this word to UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION....
which means that God chose who would be saved and who would be lost...
AND based on NOTHING AT ALL! Except for His good pleasure...whatever that means...
even they don't know what it means. They attribute His choice to mystery.
As to answering God's call....
YES...you and I answered God's call...
The difference between us and Calvinists is this:
We, and all of Christianity, believes that God calls everyone....
Calvinists do NOT believe that God calls everyone, but only His "elect".
Just to clarify what I'm speaking of...
I agree with you.
Christ never got your memo when he went into the streets of Galilee and preached to everyone who was around him, not just to the "regenerated", to "Repent and Believe the Gospel" (Mark 1:14-15).
14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
Since Christ now draws all to himself, you just revealed to everyone that you are a closet Universalist. Well done!
(John 12:32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
GodsGrace
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That's pretty funny RB!My oh my! I live half around the world from you and truly went to bed the SAME TIME you did almost. I went to bed 645 pm east coast time in America~you had not even started to dream very much when I went to bed....
I said to my dear wife once, "Honey, wish you would get up and see the beautiful sunrise with me, she came back and said~I wish you would stay up and see it set with me!"
As for you.....you follow the schedule of Italian chickens!!
(except you're a rooster).
GodsGrace
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Yes. That's how it happens...
in steps.
John MacArthur has his very own bible too with all his commentary.
He's very sick. I doubt he has much more to live.
I'm sorry his family has to see him change this way....
GodsGrace
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It leads to debate because of the extreme position that Calvinism takes and the fact that it never existed in the church before the 1500's.
I don't want to debate with you because I know you're not a calvinist believer....
Just wanted to make some comments on using the word ELECT...
(not that it's wrong, but I think I explained it).
2Thessalonians 1:5-12 and 1 Peter 4:12-19 both discuss what will be the result for those who fail to obey the gospel, namely eternal condemnation. That clearly implies that there is the result of eternal life, i.e, salvation, for obeying the gospel. A similar thought is found in Romans 10:16. Thus obedience is clearly indicated. Obey the gospel and be saved; fail to obey the gospel and be condemned.@GodsGrace
I have never said that ~but, I will say, our obedience has not one thing to do with our salvation from sin and condemnation, not one jot or tittle! All of God's children said...AMEN and AMEN.
I'll come back in morning and answer all of your post to me. It's getting close to your bed time and I do not want to disturb your sleep~
Salvific faith / belief is not a work of man for through faith and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work (the new portion between Ephesians 2:8-10 and Ephesians 2:5) but Salvific faith / belief is a fruit of the spirit of the Living God because the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kind, good, faith, gentle, and self-control (Galatians 5:22-23).
Lord Jesus Christ says “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29); therefore, saving faith/belief in us Christians is the work of God. I believe Christ, and I thank Christ.
You convey that "Salvific faith" is distinctly a first kind of faith/belief as compared to a second kind of faith/belief of "Spiritual faithfulness", yet Holy Spirit inspired Apostle Paul distinctively wrote "one Lord, one faith, one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5).
In Truth (John 14:6), a Christian's entirety of belief/faith (even being full of faith (faithfulness)), from day one to all subsequent days, in Jesus the Son whom the Father has sent is fruit of the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:22) also known as the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8) also known as the work of God (John 6:29).
civic
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I highly recommend this book for you called the Potters Promise
Eternally-Grateful
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My salvation was preordained.
No, rhat would be you. I see again your ignoring Romans 4.
No it does not, not the way you interpret James
Romans 4 says no works period. Faith alone
James 4 says no faith no salvation. How do we know if we have saving faith. are we doing works.
James 4 is not a fruit inspector clause in scripture telling you to go determine peoples salvation.
Notice you did not say a word about romans 4.James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:22 Do you see how faith worked with his works, and from the works faith was made complete?
Amazing how faith and good works are an integral part of Abraham's Justification!
You keep failing your eye test. It's time for you to get an new pair of glasses:
(James 2:24) You see then how a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Not by works of the Law.
Now you're diverting towards grace because you failed to make your case against James and his promotion of faithful good works.
Ad Hominems will get you nowhere. Make your case based on the Bible, which you are failing miserably to do.
Each time you say you agree with James 2, I will issue out an eye test for you. Tell us what you see here:
(James 2:24) You see then how a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Where is the faith plus good works contradiction between these 2 verses:
(Rom 3:28) Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the works of the Law.
(James 2:24) You see then how a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.
Again, how can you be possibly be saved if not justified by God as per James 2:24? It's still Popcorn Time!
Again, Rom 4 is perfectly in synch with the fact that works of the Law do not save. In fact, Paul drives that point home here in Rom 4 when he says that the Mosaic Laws did not even exist in Abraham's time and yet he was still justified. In what way was Abraham justified? Your favorite Apostle James answers that:
James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
James 2:22 Do you see how faith worked with his works, and from the works faith was made complete?
James nails it in perfect synchronization with Paul! James reveals how Abraham was justified by both his good works and his faith, making faith and good works both inseparable parts of Abraham's Justification!
Here let me help you
paul said we are saved by grace period. But God will nto force it on us, he wants us to recieve it in faith. Not by works. lest anyone should boast.
He then says we who are saved by faith will do works.
James, talking to hears of the word not doers says this.
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
Profit - to ophelos - advantage, benefit ,of any use
says - lege to say, to talk, to speak, to confess
faith - pistin - faith, to have confidence in, to trust, to be persuaded
so we see, we have people who CLAIM they have faith. Claim they are persuaded about God and what God says about them and his promise to them . they trust God. they have confidence in God and all his says.
Yet never does a thing he says, ie, they have no works (they are hearers and not doers)
and James asked the question. Can THIS TYPE OF FAITH save them?
Paul says no. I guess you say yes??
civic
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do you think those who remain lost were preordained for hell ?
