civic
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An Article on free will
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Did God Die on the Cross?: The Trinity and the Crucifixion — Center For Baptist Renewal
BRANDON D. SMITH: Did God die on the cross? The short answer is yes.
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civic
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On my phone ?
Selah
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Actually, I tend to shy away from these Calvinist-type discussions as they seem to always lead to endless arguments. Once in a great while, I’ll post something like I did today; I don’t usually.
Johann
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Don't fret brother, I took me half an hour to post this to you--this site is slowing my computer down.
Well, I'm a male~In English, a male goose is called a ganger . The term "goose" typically refers to a female goose. A group of geese is often referred to as a gaggle, a skein, or a team. Without question at times in my Christian life, I have been a silly gander, but concerning the following truth:
"Not" as far as regeneration goes, "only" those who have been born again, have the power given to hear, and to act, according to the Lord Jesus Christ teachings:
John 6:65
“And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.”Matthew 16:17
“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."The "ROCK OF DIVINE REVELATION" is the only means Christ is building HIS Church! Selah!
My oh my! I live half around the world from you and truly went to bed the SAME TIME you did almost. I went to bed 645 pm east coast time in America~you had not even started to dream very much when I went to bed....
I said to my dear wife once, "Honey, wish you would get up and see the beautiful sunrise with me, she came back and said~I wish you would stay up and see it set with me!"
@ GodsGrace
So, do not put words in my mouth that I do not believe in, nor teach, as you did when you said:
Our life of a believer living out our profession, is our personal faith, and we can add to our faith, or not; we can be spiritual, or carnal; yet the fact that we even believe is based on the faith and obedience of Christ. There is a difference between the two truths, when carefully considered, just as it was with Abraham and Lot; David and Solomon; Peter and John; Paul and other apostles; etc.
I said this to you:
Fran, God's elect are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus, and being His workmanship, he has also ordained that we walk in good works, having given us the power to do so through the new man within us, that is created after the image of His son, Jesus Christ.
Ephesians 2:10
“For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.”Titus 3:8
“This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.”So, do not put words in my mouth that I do not believe in, nor teach, as you did when you said:
That being said, among God's elect, there are believers that range from Abraham to Lot, as far as having good works in their life, sad to say, but very true. Yet, both are saved by the obedience of ONE PERSON, Jesus Christ, not by their obedience.
I understand, and so I believe and teach:
Necessary for WHAT? To be born again, which I reject as another gospel; or, to give unto God an answer of a good conscience, which I DO believe and teach.
Fran, you are slow of learning, (spiritual speaking, obviously you are a bright person) and are not following all of my post carefully.
Our life of a believer living out our profession, is our personal faith, and we can add to our faith, or not; we can be spiritual, or carnal; yet the fact that we even believe is based on the faith and obedience of Christ. There is a difference between the two truths, when carefully considered, just as it was with Abraham and Lot; David and Solomon; Peter and John; Paul and other apostles; etc.
Another subject for another day, I trust the word of God given to our forefather, that most of them lived by until around 1850 plus when this world's market places were beginning to be flooded with false versions of the word of God ~ and they are still coming.....there are versions according to whatever lifestyle one choses to live to accommodate you. I'll past.
GodsGrace
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Good morning Selah....
Let's continue....
Election is definetly in the bible.
1. The Hebrews/Israelites/Jews were the elected of God. He elected/CHOSE them from whom to reveal Himself.
2. We, those who believe, are the elect/CHOSEN of God.
I'm only saying this:
IF you use the word ELECT ... to a calvinist it means that God chose who will be saved based on nothing at all...they will think that You are calvinist because it's THEIR language.
You are 100% correct in your above post:
Election is for:
METHOD or
PURPOSE
But Calvinists do not accept this biblical truth....
they just attribute this word to UNCONDITIONAL ELECTION....
which means that God chose who would be saved and who would be lost...
AND based on NOTHING AT ALL! Except for His good pleasure...whatever that means...
even they don't know what it means. They attribute His choice to mystery.
As to answering God's call....
YES...you and I answered God's call...
The difference between us and Calvinists is this:
We, and all of Christianity, believes that God calls everyone....
Calvinists do NOT believe that God calls everyone, but only His "elect".
Just to clarify what I'm speaking of...
I agree with you.
Christ never got your memo when he went into the streets of Galilee and preached to everyone who was around him, not just to the "regenerated", to "Repent and Believe the Gospel" (Mark 1:14-15).
14 Now after John was put in prison, Jesus came to Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.”
Since Christ now draws all to himself, you just revealed to everyone that you are a closet Universalist. Well done!
(John 12:32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
GodsGrace
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That's pretty funny RB!My oh my! I live half around the world from you and truly went to bed the SAME TIME you did almost. I went to bed 645 pm east coast time in America~you had not even started to dream very much when I went to bed....
I said to my dear wife once, "Honey, wish you would get up and see the beautiful sunrise with me, she came back and said~I wish you would stay up and see it set with me!"
As for you.....you follow the schedule of Italian chickens!!
(except you're a rooster).
GodsGrace
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Yes. That's how it happens...
in steps.
John MacArthur has his very own bible too with all his commentary.
He's very sick. I doubt he has much more to live.
I'm sorry his family has to see him change this way....
GodsGrace
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It leads to debate because of the extreme position that Calvinism takes and the fact that it never existed in the church before the 1500's.
I don't want to debate with you because I know you're not a calvinist believer....
Just wanted to make some comments on using the word ELECT...
(not that it's wrong, but I think I explained it).
