GodsGrace
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If the potter is so sovereign.....(and I'm not saying God is not)And, Romans 9 has to be in sync with Genesis 1:1, so all of Genesis 1:1 and Romans 1:28-32 and Romans 1:24 and Romans 1:20 and Romans 1:5-7 must sync in the Truth (John 14:6) that Holy Spirit inspired Paul wrote in Romans chapter 9.
God's Sovereign control over Jew and Gentile (Romans 1:5-7), even over reprobates (Romans 1:24) as you put it, reveals that God sovereignly controls the entirety of His creation (Genesis 1:1) as the Potter who prepared beforehand vessels of mercy (Romans 9:23), and Holy Scripture reveals further that vessels of wrath (Romans 9:22), including pharaoh (Romans 9:17), are not prepared beforehand to be vessels of mercy.
You wrote "A person (pharaoh included) does not become a reprobate or vessel of wrath easily, only after God's enduring patience after having zillion of chances to repent" by which you convey that you wholeheartedly believe that "A person (pharaoh included) is a vessel of mercy before the person is a vessel of wrath having exhausted God's enduring patience with a zillion of chances to repent"; therefore, you disbelieve:
- "it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as seed" (Romans 9:8) and
- "though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad - in order that God’s purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of him who calls - she was told, 'The older will serve the younger.' As it is written, 'Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.'" (Romans 9:11-13) and
- "sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men" (Romans 5:12) and "many died through one man's trespass" (Romans 5:15) and climacticly
- "No one is good except God alone (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 10:18, see also Romans 3:12)) thus a person is an evil vessel of wrath as the default state of being apart from God and the only Way (John 14:6) for a person to become a vessel of mercy is caused by Lord Jesus Christ for He declares "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except because of Me" (John 14:6) - the Author and Perfecter of the Faith (Hebrews 12/2)!
Also, you wrote "pharaoh had many chances, he saw (experienced) God's miracles but hardened his heart every time." which requires deeper examination:
You wrote "pharaoh had many chances", but pharaoh did not choose God.You wrote "he saw (experienced) God's miracles" - in like fashion free-willians have the Holy Scripture in their hands, but pharaoh did not choose God.You wrote "he hardened his heart every time" (both he and his referring to pharaoh), yet your thoughts starkly contrast against Holy Spirit inspired Apostle Paul writing that God hardened pharaoh's heart with "For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show My power in you, and that My name might be proclaimed in all the earth.' So then He has mercy on whom He wills, and He hardens whom He wills" (Romans 9:17-18).The 3 of you (@GodsGrace and @Johann for your hearty approval to @ProDeo (Romans 1:32)) do the work that you do, that is, downgrading the Sovereign Holy God identified in (Romans 9:18-23) as per your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21), at your own peril!
Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).
In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN POTTER!!!
Then why does the clay in Jeremiah 18 decide to forsake God?
(read all of chapter 18...)
and
Could you please explain how God can be mad at Israel....
for doing what HE decreed for them to do (according to you)....?
Jeremiah 2:15.19
15 "The young lions have roared at him, They have roared * loudly *. And they have made his land a waste; His cities have been destroyed, without inhabitant.
16 "Also the men of Memphis and Tahpanhes Have shaved the crown of your head.
17 "Have you not done this to yourself By your forsaking the LORD your God When He led you in the way?
18 "But now what are you doing on the road to Egypt, To drink the waters of the Nile? Or what are you doing on the road to Assyria, To drink the waters of the Euphrates?
19 "Your own wickedness will correct you, And your apostasies will reprove you; Know therefore and see that it is evil and bitter For you to forsake the LORD your God, And the dread of Me is not in you," declares the Lord GOD of hosts.
20 "For long ago I broke your yoke And tore off your bonds; But you said, 'I will not serve!' For on every high hill And under every green tree You have lain down as a harlot.
21 "Yet I planted you a choice vine, A completely faithful seed. How then have you turned yourself before Me Into the degenerate shoots of a foreign vine?
22 "Although * you wash yourself with lye And use much soap, The stain of your iniquity is before Me," declares the Lord GOD.