An Article on free will

I have no idea what you are trying to say there. The Hebrew word for soul (nephesh) is applied to blooded animals as well (see Genesis 1:20). Spirit on the other hand is almost solely identified with the human being.

You believe animals just "disappear". I don't believe that garbage. All animals have an ancient ancestor that the same thing happened to. Not all flesh is the same flesh.

1Co 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
1Co 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

The entirety of creation was subjected to vanity in HOPE.

Vanity it is not evil itself. It is an emptiness that teaches humanity of the importance of many things.

Rom 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of him who subjected it, in hope
Rom 8:21 that the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God.

When animals gave their lives in sacrifice, it was meaningful. It just wasn't enough.
 
Again simply repeating the verse without any consideration of context does nothing to help your argument

Context shows

John 6:27–35 (KJV 1900) — 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.


1 Jesus told them to work
2 the Jews understood Jesus statement in verse 29 to mean God wants them to believe
3 The Jews ask for a sign that they might believe
4 Jesus tells them to do something - to come to him and believe on him

The context is antithetical to an idea they were to do nothing because God was going to do it all.

In John 6:27, the clause "the Son of man shall give unto you", so the context is God's choice causing man to abide God's command "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life".

In John 6:28, the people ask how they can control God with "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God".

In John 6:29, the Word of God eliminates the work of man from consideration with "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent".

After several rounds of the people trying to exalt themselves and Lord Jesus exalting God while correcting them, Jesus concludes the exchange in a manner similar to Jesus' exchange with Nicodemus (the full passage with detailed context at the word of Rockson, see post #1,847).

In John 6:37-40, the Lord concludes by explaining to the people that they must be in Christ to work according to Christ’s commands with "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out for I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day for this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day", and we Christians find similar with “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21).
 
Freewill worship,

Those who adhere to the doctrine of free will, that a man must make a free-will decision for Christ before he can be saved, conditions salvation not on God’s election of grace and Christ’s atonement for sin the Spirits regeneration , but on a work or act of man.
 
In John 6:27, the clause "the Son of man shall give unto you", so the context is God's choice causing man to abide God's command "Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life".

In John 6:28, the people ask how they can control God with "What shall we do, that we might work the works of God".

In John 6:29, the Word of God eliminates the work of man from consideration with "This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent".

After several rounds of the people trying to exalt themselves and Lord Jesus exalting God while correcting them, Jesus concludes the exchange in a manner similar to Jesus' exchange with Nicodemus (the full passage with detailed context at the word of Rockson, see post #1,847).

In John 6:37-40, the Lord concludes by explaining to the people that they must be in Christ to work according to Christ’s commands with "All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out for I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day for this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day", and we Christians find similar with “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21).
What the son of man shall give is everlasting life for which they must labor

And You simply assume Christ is now contradicting himself. That after telling them to labor he now says there really is no labor they must do and that God is going to do it for them

Your position is contrary to the context of the passage and ignores Christs final statement

I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

They must come and believe

As was previously shown.

John 6:27–35 (KJV 1900) — 27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed. 28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. 30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? 31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat. 32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world. 34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. 35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.


1 Jesus told them to work
2 the Jews understood Jesus statement in verse 29 to mean God wants them to believe
3 The Jews ask for a sign that they might believe
4 Jesus tells them to do something - to come to him and believe on him

The context is antithetical to an idea they were to do nothing because God was going to do it all.
 
@TomL

Prove that souls are innate immortal. Forget about the English word "inherently". Immortality deals with preexisting life. It is just not a point in time appealing from non-existence forward. It is paradoxical and only finds reality in Jesus Christ and Divinity.
Rather, you should be apologizing for falsely accusing me of plagiarizing
 
Only the first one has any theological basis. The second one has no basis in either theology of science. The third one is incorrect in the sense that immortality does not demand preexistence.
Both the first and second options are seen within Christianity

I am not arguing for the second position, only noting it is common.
 
@TomL



Im not dodging nothing, Im explaining my pov with scripture. Jesus came to make reconcilition for sin for one particular people, the seed of Abraham Heb 2:16-17 and its not ethnic israel, now some ethnic jews are included, because some of them were part of the Body of Christ, the Church, which is the seed of Abraham Gal 3:29
You are dodging everything. It is all you do

You do not even muster up the courage to quote what you are replying to


Rather an unlimited atonement is in view as the writer just stated

Hebrews 2:9 (LEB) — 9 but we see Jesus, for a short time made lower than the angels, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that apart from God he might taste death on behalf of everyone.

you ignored this

Second the text before us is not Gal 3:29 but


Hebrews 2:14–16 (KJV 1900) — 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Which is speaking of the incarnation

And it is flesh and blood humanity Christ took upon himself; in particular the humanity seen in the Jewish people

and you ignored this

As I stated it is all you do.
 
Rather, you should be apologizing for falsely accusing me of plagiarizing

Not at all. I explained the issue rather well. I'll welcome any brethren of the faith to say otherwise.

Didn't you use external sources from which you derived your conclusions while conveying the idea that your conclusion is your own?

Paul deals with this in

1Co 4:7 For who sees anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?

I stopped doing such things a long time ago.
 
Sorry, you lost me.

Do you believe animals will share in the Glory of mankind in redemption/Eternity?

I know most theologies believe mankind is the center of God's Universe. Such thoughts have ruined theology for many people. Such is the "Pride of life"...... that exists in this world.

My issue is primarily with how you see the "spirit of man". I would include natural man has a living soul is largely synonymous to the spirit of a man. As such, dichotomy is how mankind exists before being "born again".
 
@Jim
Yes, clearly my mistake.
Jim, that' something I would do, by going too fast at times to just get caught up, or, I could just be tired, and when I'm tired, my mind does not work that well, but, at least still working a little, not as sharp as I was twenty years ago, definitely not as I was forty years ago....but, much more spiritual wisdom I trust for both of us.
 
Someone/Everyone needs to understand what the Scriptures teach about the "make up" of our human lives in God. Unless people embrace/know the differences between dichotomy and trichotomy, they will never truly understand the Scriptures.
In Christian theology, the tripartite view (trichotomy) holds that humankind is a composite of three distinct components: body, spirit, and soul. It is in contrast to the bipartite view (dichotomy), where soul and spirit are taken as different terms for the same entity.

 
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@praise_yeshua
You believe animals just "disappear". I don't believe that garbage. All animals have an ancient ancestor that the same thing happened to. Not all flesh is the same flesh.
Would you please explain this more using scriptures.

I understand all flesh is not the same flesh, but what does this have to do with ~You believe animals just "disappear". I don't believe that garbage.

prasie_yeshua, much of what you said early on in this discussion I would agree with, and then out of nowhere, you took a left hand turn and went here.
 
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Do you believe animals will share in the Glory of mankind in redemption/Eternity?

I know most theologies believe mankind is the center of God's Universe. Such thoughts have ruined theology for many people. Such is the "Pride of life"...... that exists in this world.

My issue is primarily with how you see the "spirit of man". I would include natural man has a living soul is largely synonymous to the spirit of a man. As such, dichotomy is how mankind exists before being "born again".
Whatever!!
 
Your claim: “No Word of God states man was imparted free will” — Refuted by Direct Scriptural Witnesses
Your assertion collapses under the weight of multiple verses that directly affirm the reality of human choice, often placed within divine warnings and commands.

To say the phrase "free will" is not used, is a category error akin to denying the Trinity because the term is not explicitly stated—while the concept is everywhere present.


Deuteronomy 30:19
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.”
→ The imperative “choose” (בָּחַר) cannot be read as rhetorical or empty, for it lies at the very heart of covenantal responsibility.

Joshua 24:15
“And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve…”
→ This classic appeal presupposes the moral agency of man. If men could not choose, this would be deceitful rhetoric.

Proverbs 1:29
“For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD.”
→ Their condemnation lies not in inability but refusal—a voluntary rejection of God’s offer.

Isaiah 1:19–20
“If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel…”
→ “If ye be willing” (תֹּאב֔וּ) affirms volitional responsiveness. God's call is not manipulative coercion.

John 5:40
“And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
→ Not “cannot” in this verse, but “will not”—the problem lies in refusal, not total incapacity.

→ Cf. Luke 13:34, Romans 2:4–5, Revelation 22:17

Conflating Spiritual Inability with Deterministic Fatalism—An Unwarranted Leap
It is true that man cannot save himself (John 6:44), but that is not the same as saying man is incapable of responding to grace. Grace is not irresistible by nature; it is resistible as seen in:

Acts 7:51 – “Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost...”

Matthew 23:37 – “...and ye would not!”

The biblical picture is not one of an automaton being forced into salvation, but of a responsive relationship—God initiates, convicts, draws, enlightens, but man must not harden his heart (Hebrews 3:7–8).

Justice Presupposes Moral Agency
A deterministic scheme that denies real human volition renders God unjust, for how can God righteously judge actions that man had no control over?

Romans 2:6–7
“Who will render to every man according to his deeds…”
→ There can be no rendering “according to deeds” if those deeds were pre-programmed and unavoidable.

Ezekiel 18:20–24
The entire logic of this chapter depends upon moral responsibility and the ability of the wicked to turn. “If the wicked will turn from all his sins... he shall surely live.” (v.21)

→ God explicitly says “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die... and not that he should return and live?” (v.23)

The fatalistic interpretation misrepresents God's justice by making men passive instruments rather than volitional responders.

Free Will Is Not a Rejection of the Spirit's Work but an Affirmation of Grace-Enabled Response
The fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22–23) comes after one has believed. But the Scriptures are clear that the gospel must first be believed:

Acts 16:31
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved…”

Faith is the condition, not the consequence, of salvation. It is not a fruit of the Spirit; it is a response to the Spirit's convicting and illuminating work.

→ See Romans 10:9–10, John 3:16, 1 John 5:1
→ “Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God…” – Note the present participle and perfect tense interaction in Greek, indicating that faith precedes regeneration grammatically and logically (cf. Daniel B. Wallace, GGBB, pp. 568–572).

Maimonides Quoted Not as a “Pillar” but as Historical Witness to Human Volition in Jewish Thought -The appeal to Maimonides (Rambam) is not to supplant Scripture with human tradition, but to demonstrate that the belief in human moral agency was not invented by 12th-century theologians—it was anchored in the Jewish understanding of Torah and covenant.

→ Jesus Himself appealed to the reasonableness of God’s justice (Matt 23:37, John 5:40)—just as Maimonides echoed in Hilkhot Teshuvah.

Your protest against “tradition” falls flat when the tradition in question reflects the very moral reasoning used by prophets, apostles, and the Messiah Himself.

Mischaracterizing the Scope of Christ’s Atonement
Your argument made here follows a limited atonement logic: that if Christ died for all, yet not all are saved, then His atonement failed.

But Scripture is replete with statements affirming that:

Christ died for all (2 Cor 5:14–15)

Christ is the propitiation for the whole world (1 John 2:2)

Christ tasted death for every man (Heb 2:9)

The distinction lies not in efficacy, but application—His atonement is sufficient for all but only effective for those who believe (John 3:16–18, Acts 13:46).

→ As John Wesley said: “God's sovereignty is not His tyranny. He offers grace to all, but forces grace on none.”

Summary of Errors in the Original Post
Misstatement Correction
Free will is absent from Scripture Scripture repeatedly commands choice and condemns refusal (Deut 30:19, John 5:40)
Citing Maimonides is trusting man, not God Maimonides is cited historically, not as final authority
Salvation “failing” proves free will false Salvation is offered universally, applied conditionally upon faith (Acts 10:43)
Fruit of the Spirit proves no man can choose good Fruit comes after belief, not before. Belief is not a “fruit” (Acts 16:31, John 1:12)
No one is good (Mark 10:18), so none can believe But God commands belief—thus He must expect a response (John 3:16, Acts 17:30)

You stand refuted @Kermos and try not to shun the Pauline epistles.

J.

Let's look at your purported scriptural witness that the Word of God states man was imparted free-will.

Your "Free-willian Philosophy" left hand wrong side deception is illuminated by the right hand right side "Holy Scripture":
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
I call heaven and earth to witness favoring you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life", the LORD interrupted Moses to say "you mean choose Messiah because I created man with a free-will" then Moses continued "in order that you may live, you and your descendants
(Johann 30:19).
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants
(Deuteronomy 30:19).

Holy Scripture is clear about the self-willed people (2 Peter 2:9-10) failing to choose life because the LORD sent punishment onto the people using the Mesopotamians under Cushan-rishathaim at the time of Othniel and later the Assyrians under Tiglath-Pileser and later Nebuchadnezzar the Babylonian king and don't forget later the Greeks and later the Romans and later the Germans.

Your Johann 24:15 adulteration is evident on the left(wrong) because Joshua 24:15 is pure on the right:
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
If it is free-willfully disagreeable in your sight to free-will serve the LORD, use the free-will that God imparted to you to choose for yourselves today whom you will free-will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living, or the LORD; but as for me and my house, we will free-will serve the LORD.
(Johann 24:15).
If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
(Joshua 24:15).

The people chose their idols for centuries (Judges 10:16), so the self-willed people (2 Peter 2:9-10) were polluted by serving foreign gods. Thus the people were punished by God's use of the Mesopotamians and later the Assyrians and later the Babylonians...

Behold, no free-will on the Righteous side:
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
Because they hated knowledge yet they were imparted with free-will by God to choose to love knowledge and free-will choose to fear the LORD And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
(Johann 1:29).
Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
(Proverbs 1:29).

You abide that man controls his own free-will to choose God yet the Holy Spirit reveals it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13):
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
If ye be free-willing by ye God given ability and obedient, ye shall free-will choose to eat the good of the land: But if ye free-will choose to refuse and rebel, ye shall free-will choose to be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
(Johann 1:19-20).
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
(Isaiah 1:19–20).

You disbelieve that a natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (1 Corinthians 2:14):
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
and you are unfree-willing to come to Me though you can free-willingly come to Me so that you may have life.
(Johann 5:40).
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
(John 5:40).

You brought up Matthew 23:37, again, where Lord Jesus says "Jerusalem, Jerusalem" as your proof text for your "God's desire is fallible" free-willian tenet even though post #7,281 shows that Matthew 23:37 exists in extremely close proximity to the timeframe of when God's desire regarding Jerusalem "to gather your children together" was satisfied as Christ triumphantly rode into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:9).

Your heart deletes whole swaths of Holy Scripture in and around Acts 7:51 resulting in your very strange free-will proof text:
Johann Nullifies Much ScriptureHoly Scripture
Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost...
(Johann 7:51).
But it was Solomon who built a house for him. Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,

“‘Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
or what is the place of my rest?
Did not my hand make all these things?’​
“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”

(Acts 7:47-53).
Behold, they resisted the Holy Spirit by murdering the Righteous One and not keeping the law. Free-will does not exist in the words of Stephen, there.

No Word of God states man was imparted free-will, so no Scripture you quoted or cited states that man was imparted a free-will to choose toward God. The more you post, the more evident your free-willian fallacy.

God gets all the glory for the salvation and sanctification of man! Man is entirely at the mercy of this loving God for salvation and sanctification.

Lord and God Jesus Christ is the One who makes us Christians, according to the Holy Spirit, to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God (Ephesians 3:19).
 
Let's look at your purported scriptural witness that the Word of God states man was imparted free-will.

Your "Free-willian Philosophy" left hand wrong side deception is illuminated by the right hand right side "Holy Scripture":
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
I call heaven and earth to witness favoring you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life", the LORD interrupted Moses to say "you mean choose Messiah because I created man with a free-will" then Moses continued "in order that you may live, you and your descendants
(Johann 30:19).
I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants
(Deuteronomy 30:19).

Holy Scripture is clear about the self-willed people (2 Peter 2:9-10) failing to choose life because the LORD sent punishment onto the people using the Mesopotamians under Cushan-rishathaim at the time of Othniel and later the Assyrians under Tiglath-Pileser and later Nebuchadnezzar the Babylonian king and don't forget later the Greeks and later the Romans and later the Germans.

Your Johann 24:15 adulteration is evident on the left(wrong) because Joshua 24:15 is pure on the right:
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
If it is free-willfully disagreeable in your sight to free-will serve the LORD, use the free-will that God imparted to you to choose for yourselves today whom you will free-will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living, or the LORD; but as for me and my house, we will free-will serve the LORD.
(Johann 24:15).
If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
(Joshua 24:15).

The people chose their idols for centuries (Judges 10:16), so the self-willed people (2 Peter 2:9-10) were polluted by serving foreign gods. Thus the people were punished by God's use of the Mesopotamians and later the Assyrians and later the Babylonians...

Behold, no free-will on the Righteous side:
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
Because they hated knowledge yet they were imparted with free-will by God to choose to love knowledge and free-will choose to fear the LORD And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
(Johann 1:29).
Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD.
(Proverbs 1:29).

You abide that man controls his own free-will to choose God yet the Holy Spirit reveals it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13):
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
If ye be free-willing by ye God given ability and obedient, ye shall free-will choose to eat the good of the land: But if ye free-will choose to refuse and rebel, ye shall free-will choose to be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
(Johann 1:19-20).
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
(Isaiah 1:19–20).

You disbelieve that a natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised (1 Corinthians 2:14):
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
and you are unfree-willing to come to Me though you can free-willingly come to Me so that you may have life.
(Johann 5:40).
and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
(John 5:40).

You brought up Matthew 23:37, again, where Lord Jesus says "Jerusalem, Jerusalem" as your proof text for your "God's desire is fallible" free-willian tenet even though post #7,281 shows that Matthew 23:37 exists in extremely close proximity to the timeframe of when God's desire regarding Jerusalem "to gather your children together" was satisfied as Christ triumphantly rode into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:9).

Your heart deletes whole swaths of Holy Scripture in and around Acts 7:51 resulting in your very strange free-will proof text:
Johann Nullifies Much ScriptureHoly Scripture
Ye do always resist the Holy Ghost...
(Johann 7:51).
But it was Solomon who built a house for him. Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,

“‘Heaven is my throne,
and the earth is my footstool.
What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
or what is the place of my rest?
Did not my hand make all these things?’​
“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you. Which of the prophets did your fathers not persecute? And they killed those who announced beforehand the coming of the Righteous One, whom you have now betrayed and murdered, you who received the law as delivered by angels and did not keep it.”

(Acts 7:47-53).
Behold, they resisted the Holy Spirit by murdering the Righteous One and not keeping the law. Free-will does not exist in the words of Stephen, there.

No Word of God states man was imparted free-will, so no Scripture you quoted or cited states that man was imparted a free-will to choose toward God. The more you post, the more evident your free-willian fallacy.

God gets all the glory for the salvation and sanctification of man! Man is entirely at the mercy of this loving God for salvation and sanctification.

Lord and God Jesus Christ is the One who makes us Christians, according to the Holy Spirit, to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God (Ephesians 3:19).
What a bunch of double-speak. To be willing or unwilling to do anything requires free will. So much of what you post is simply irrational.
 
Let's look at your purported scriptural witness that the Word of God states man was imparted free-will.

Your "Free-willian Philosophy" left hand wrong side deception is illuminated by the right hand right side "Holy Scripture":
Free-willian PhilosophyHoly Scripture
I call heaven and earth to witness favoring you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life", the LORD interrupted Moses to say "you mean choose Messiah because I created man with a free-will" then Moses continued "in order that you may live, you and your descendants
(Johann 30:19).
Yes let's @Kermos.

Your argument, though rhetorically intense and apparently polemical, rests on a series of category errors, interpolative fallacies, selective proof-texting, and misrepresentations of both Scripture and the historical grammar of the biblical texts. I will proceed line by line to thoroughly rebut your assertions and demonstrate that the biblical witness, rightly divided, does affirm human volition and responsibility—within the context of divine gracenot as a system of Pelagian autonomy, but as the covenantal response expected by God throughout redemptive history.

1. Deuteronomy 30:19 — the so-called “Free-willian” addition (Johann 30:19)
The verse in question from Deuteronomy 30:19 reads:

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.”

There is no textual warrant whatsoever for the interpolative gloss you added regarding “choose Messiah” or any divine interruption that Moses allegedly experienced. The Masoretic Text reads:

וּבָֽחַרְתָּ֙ בַּחַיִּ֔ים לְמַ֥עַן תִּחְיֶ֖ה אַתָּ֥ה וְזַרְעֶֽךָ׃

No manuscript—Hebrew, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint, or Qumran—contains your inserted language.

Moreover, the imperative וּבָחַרְתָּ ("and you shall choose") is a Qal perfect with vav-consecutive, functioning as a direct command and connoting volitional response (cf. Waltke & O’Connor, Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax, §34.3).

The structure presupposes capacity for response, not divine manipulation of the will. God is sovereign in presenting the choice, but the human agent is responsible for the response (cf. +Deut 11:26–28, Isa 1:18–20). Kermos 30:19


2. Joshua 24:15 — another fictional insertion (Johann 24:15)
The authentic verse says:

“...choose you this day whom ye will serve... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”

Here again, the imperative בְּחַר־לָכֶם ("choose for yourselves") is a Qal imperative—an actual command that expects a human response (BDB #103, HALOT 140).


This is not a mock imperative given to robots. The syntax itself precludes determinism. Furthermore, Joshua is not being ironic. The verse occurs in a covenant-renewal ceremony (cf. +Josh 24:1–27), where the entire point is to elicit an actual response from the people. If there were no volitional capacity, the command would be meaningless—a divine charade.

3. Proverbs 1:29 — “No free-will on the righteous side”
You quote:

“Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD.” Kermos 1.29

The key verb וְיִרְאַ֥ת יְהוָֽה לֹ֣א בָחָֽרוּ׃ ("they did not choose the fear of the LORD") uses the verb בָחַר again, in the perfect tense, negated by לֹא, clearly indicating an actual volitional rejection of something presented to them. The Hebrew text affirms choice, not incapacity.

The entire context of Proverbs 1 is framed as Wisdom calling aloud to those who can hear but refuse. This is moral culpability, not predestined rebellion. The Book of Proverbs, by literary design, rests on the assumption that man must choose between two paths—not that he is fated onto one. (cf. +Prov 9:10, +Prov 4:26–27).

4. Philippians 2:13 — “God is at work in you”
Indeed, Philippians 2:13 says:

“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”

However, this does not negate human volition. Paul just finished exhorting believers in the prior verse (v. 12):

“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

The two verses must be taken together. God energizes (ἐνεργῶν) the believer’s ability and will, but this energizing presupposes a cooperative, not coercive, relationship.


This is the synergism of sanctification—God initiates, empowers, and sustains, but we respond.

This echoes +1 Thess 2:13 and +Col 1:29. Furthermore, Paul’s use of θέλειν (to will) alongside ἐνεργεῖν (to work) affirms that human willing exists—yet as grace-enabled.

5. 1 Corinthians 2:14 — “the natural man does not receive…”
Correctly quoted, the text reads:

“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...”

This is not a denial of free will per se, but a commentary on the inability of the ψυχικός ἄνθρωπος (soulish man) to comprehend or discern spiritual truths apart from the Spirit. The contrast here is not between determinism and libertarian freedom, but between unregenerate and regenerate states.

That the Spirit must illumine does not mean the person is a puppet. (cf. +John 16:13, +Acts 16:14). Even in Acts 16:14, Lydia is described as having her heart opened—yet she gave heed (προσέχειν), a volitional action.

6. John 5:40 — “and you are unwilling…”
Christ says plainly:

“And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”

The Greek οὐ θέλετε ἐλθεῖν denotes deliberate refusal. Christ does not say “you are unable to come,” but “you are unwilling.” The rejection is not for lack of capacity but lack of desire. The context is deeply moral, not ontological. Compare +John 3:19–20, where the condemnation is that men loved darkness rather than light. This is choice in the context of accountability.

7. Matthew 23:37 — “I would…but you would not”
You claim that Matthew 23:37 must be reinterpreted by proximity to Matthew 21:9. However, your argument is flawed. In 23:37, Christ says:

“...how often would I have gathered thy children together... and ye would not!”

This is a first-class Greek construction with ἠθέλησα... καὶ οὐκ ἠθελήσατε, indicating His will and their resistance. Christ's lament is not a farce. He is not speaking of the final Passion Week only, but of repeated historical outreach (as “how often” indicates). The divine will to gather was resisted by human volition. Compare +Isa 65:2 and +Jer 7:13, where the same tension is seen.

8. Acts 7:51 — “You always resist the Holy Ghost”
This is, in fact, one of the most powerful free-agency affirming verses in the New Testament:

“Ye stiffnecked... ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.”


The verb ἀντιπίπτω (to resist, oppose) is active voice, present tense, plural subject. The resistance is continuous and culpable. The Holy Spirit is not irresistibly rejected because He is not irresistibly imposed. This statement would be incoherent if human agents could not resist. The entire prophetic indictment hinges on their active moral refusal of grace. (cf. +Isa 63:10, +Zech 7:11–12).

9. "No Scripture says man was imparted free-will..."
This is a semantic evasion. Scripture does not need to use the phrase “free-will” for the concept of human volition to be present. It is evidenced:

In every covenantal “if/then” clause (+Deut 28; +Lev 26).

In every divine command (+Isa 1:18–20, +Ez 18:30–32).

In God’s grief over rejection (+Hos 11:7–9, +Jer 13:17).

In Christ’s repeated calls to repent and believe (+Matt 11:28, +Mark 1:15, +Rev 22:17).

In the many biblical examples of individuals choosing to repent or harden themselves (+Ps 32:5, +2 Chron 33:12–13, +Heb 3:15).

10. Final assertion — “God gets all the glory, man is entirely passive”

Yes, God gets all the glory (cf. +Rom 11:36). But He gets it not by nullifying human will, but by restoring it through grace. To assert otherwise is to reduce humans to automata and to erase the very fabric of covenantal response.

The glory of God is magnified when rebellious creatures, wooed by grace, freely respond in repentance and faith. That is the heart of the gospel. That is why the Scripture always speaks of our believing, repenting, loving, and following—not as illusions—but as grace-empowered realities.

Respectfully, the deterministic theology you have espoused does not do justice to the biblical grammar, narrative structure, or covenantal coherence of Scripture. Man’s volition is real, morally accountable, and God-enabled—not self-originating, but authentically responsive.

“Choose this day”—because it is a real choice, presented by the God who desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4).

Explain to me, then, what is the nature of an imperative—when Scripture declares, “Do this!” or “Follow Me!” it issues not a suggestion but a divine command that inherently calls for response.

Such commands are designed to awaken and engage the entire human faculty—body, heart, and soul—summoning the hearer into motion, into obedience, into covenantal fidelity.

Yet Kermos would have us believe that man is "wholly passive," incapable of acting upon even a sanctified will, unable to respond in faith or obedience—an assertion which stands in direct contradiction to the character and grammar of the inspired text.
An imperative presumes a responsive subject.

To nullify the human capacity for volitional obedience under grace is to strip God’s commands of sincerity and moral coherence.
The God who commands also enables, but He does not command the stone; He addresses the image-bearing creature, calling him into living, relational response.

Make sense?

J.
 
Not at all. I explained the issue rather well. I'll welcome any brethren of the faith to say otherwise.

No actually you did not

You have falsified the facts.

I supported my view with quotes from various authors



Didn't you use external sources from which you derived your conclusions while conveying the idea that your conclusion is your own?
No I did not.

Further, you accused me of plagiarizing.

Thus, you have falsely accused me of taking their work, not giving them credit and claiming it as my own according to definition.

This is completely false And i repeat, you owe me an apology.

Integrity demands you correct this falsity.
 
No actually you did not

You have falsified the facts.

I supported my view with quotes from various authors




No I did not.

Further, you accused me of plagiarizing.

Thus, you have falsely accused me of taking their work, not giving them credit and claiming it as my own according to definition.

This is completely false And i repeat, you owe me an apology.

Integrity demands you correct this falsity.
I believe he also accused you of plagiarizing your own ideas—a rather strange and self-defeating charge from such a peculiar fellow.

Johann.
 
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John 3:6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit Cain, Abel, Seth, and all the children of Adam and Eve and their descendants received their flesh from their parents and their spirits from Spirit, i.e., God.
Jim, You are wrong in using John 3:6 in the sense in which you are using it, or understanding this verse.

This verse is not referencing of God creating a spirit in each and every person at conception that is pure and holy as you would have others to believe; Jim, I'm not sure how you yourself believe this by using John 3:6., that's not how the Lord was using these words recorded for us in John's gospel.

John 3:6​

“That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh"~Jim, I can do no better than quote from our forefathers who all taught the same truths concerning John 3:6, so why should I add or take aways from what they said, if indeed they were speaking according to the truth of the holy scriptures.

"Man by his natural birth, and as he is born according to the flesh of his natural parents, is a mere natural man; that is, he is carnal and corrupt, and cannot discern spiritual things; nor can he, as such, enter into, and inherit the kingdom of God; see 1 Corinthians 2:14. And therefore there is a absolutely necessity of his being born again, or of the grace of the Spirit, and of his becoming a spiritual man; and if he was to be, or could be born again of the flesh, or ever so many times enter into his mother's womb, and be born, was it possible, he would still be but a natural and a carnal man, and so unfit for the kingdom of God. By "flesh" here, is not meant the fleshy part of man, the body, as generated of another fleshy substance; for this is no other than what may be said of brutes; and besides, if this was the sense, "spirit," in the next clause, must mean the soul, whereas one soul is not generated from another: but by flesh is designed, the nature of man; not merely as weak and frail, but as unclean and corrupt, through sin; and which being propagated by natural generation from sinful men, cannot be otherwise; for "who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one," Job 14:4. And though the soul of man is of a spiritual nature, and remains a spirit, notwithstanding the pollution of sin; yet it being defiled with the flesh, and altogether under the power and influence of the lusts of the flesh, it may well be said to be carnal or fleshly: hence "flesh," as it stands opposed to spirit, signifies the corruption of nature, Galatians 5:17; and such who are in a state of unregeneracy, are said to be after the flesh, and in the flesh, and even the mind/spirit/heart itself is said to be carnal, Romans 8:5."

And that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit: a man that is regenerated by the Spirit of God, and the efficacy of his grace, is a spiritual man; he can discern and judge all things of a spiritual nature; he is a fit person to be admitted to spiritual ordinances and privileges; and appears to be in the spiritual kingdom of Christ; and has a right to the world of blessed spirits above; and when his body is raised a spiritual body, will be admitted in soul, body, and spirit, into the joy of his Lord. "Spirit" in the first part of this clause, signifies the Holy Spirit of God, the author of regeneration and sanctification; whence that work is called the sanctification of the Spirit, and the renewing of the Holy Ghost, 1 Peter 1:2. And "spirit," in the latter part, intends the internal work of grace upon the soul, from whence a man is denominated a spiritual man; and as a child bears the same name with its parent, so this is called by the same, as the author and efficient cause of it: and besides, it is of a spiritual nature itself, and exerts itself in spiritual acts and exercises, and directs to, and engages in spiritual things; and has its seat also in the spirit, or soul of man." John Gill ~ with a very few added thoughts by RB.

So, Jim " that which is born of the Spirit is spirit" ~ is speaking concerning the new birth, not our natural conception in our mother's womb. You sound like Nicodemus speaking.
 
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