An Article on free will

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@Kermos

Hi Kermos,,,
I've been asking this of the Reformed/Calvinist believers for some time now.

In my post to you, no. 9467, I also asked YOU:

Could you reply please?

Here it is:

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Post 9467


Could you reply to the following please?:

If God is sovereign....in the way that you understand sovereignty....
and God desires that all men be saved:


1 Timothy 2:4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Then WHY aren't all men saved?

Is the NT lying?
Is God unable to save everyone?

Those whose father is the devil will never come to the LORD.

 

[GodsGrace]

Those whose father is the devil will never come to the LORD.

What does this mean?
Before you were saved....whose daughter were you?

 

[Selah]

What does this mean?
Before you were saved....whose daughter were you?

John 8:37-47 (NKJV) 37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 “I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.” 39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 “You do the deeds of your father.” Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father--God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 “Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 “You are of [your] father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own [resources,] for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 “But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 “Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 “He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

 

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John 8:37-47 (NKJV) 37 “I know that you are Abraham’s descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you. 38 “I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.” 39 They answered and said to Him, “Abraham is our father.” Jesus said to them, “If you were Abraham’s children, you would do the works of Abraham. 40 “But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this. 41 “You do the deeds of your father.” Then they said to Him, “We were not born of fornication; we have one Father--God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me. 43 “Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word. 44 “You are of [your] father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own [resources,] for he is a liar and the father of it. 45 “But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me. 46 “Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me? 47 “He who is of God hears God’s words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.”

You just bring up more questions.

He who is of God hears God's voice.
Those who are of satan do not hear Jesus' words.

Of course.

But you said that those who are of satan will never come to the Lord.

Weren't we all of satan before we were born again as Jesus said in John 3:3,5?

Just wondering what you think about this.....

 

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@atpollard
You gave the other member a LIKE....
she just stated that those that are of satan will not come to God.
BUT aren't we all previously of satan?

So...

Would YOU like to answer my question?


Here it is again....




If God is sovereign....in the way that you understand sovereignty....
and God desires that all men be saved:


1 Timothy 2:4
3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.


Then WHY aren't all men saved?

Is the NT lying?
Is God unable to save everyone?

 

[Selah]

You just bring up more questions.

He who is of God hears God's voice.
Those who are of satan do not hear Jesus' words.

Of course.

But you said that those who are of satan will never come to the Lord.

Weren't we all of satan before we were born again as Jesus said in John 3:3,5?

Just wondering what you think about this.....

Nope, I was never of Satan. You know how I know? because I love Jesus.