YesWould you appreciate it if I give you the Hebrew equivalent of the soul and spirit? And the Imago Dei? IN this particular verse?
J.
YesWould you appreciate it if I give you the Hebrew equivalent of the soul and spirit? And the Imago Dei? IN this particular verse?
J.
That is talking about Adam. I asked about you. Where did your spirit come from?From YHVH.
"And the LORD God formed the man from dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."
J.
Yes, we are born sinless into this world. God did not give anyone a spirit dead in sin.We are NOT born sinless into this world.
J.
Great-
I am familiar with some of those already. What should I expect from the rest?Great-
What I want you to do is this. Go online and peruse these tools.
Primary Online Sources for Hebrew and Greek Texts
1. STEP Bible – Tyndale House, Cambridge
Languages: Hebrew OT, Greek NT, LXX
Features- Strong's tagging, grammatical parsing, lexical glosses, cross-references, easy toggling between original languages and translations.
Strengths: Based on the Tyndale editions; no registration required; can work offline via installable version.
2. Blue Letter Bible (BLB)
Languages: Hebrew OT (BHS), Greek NT (TR, NA/UBS), LXX (limited)
Features-Interlinear display, Strong’s numbers, parsing codes, concordances, Vine’s Expository Dictionary, commentaries.
Strengths- Robust lexical tools, includes Englishman's Concordance, reverse interlinear.
3. BibleHub Interlinear
Languages: Hebrew OT, Greek NT
Features: Word-by-word interlinear, morphological parsing, Strong’s lexicon, Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Gesenius’ Hebrew Lexicon, cross-referenced.
Strengths: Inline popups for lexical data; excellent for verse-by-verse analysis.
4. Scripture4All
Languages: Hebrew OT (partial), Greek NT (TR)
Features: Interlinear Scripture Analyzer (ISA) downloadable software; Greek/Hebrew-English interlinear with morphological data.
Strengths: Offline capability, tight grammatical analysis, ideal for syntax studies.
5. The Unbound Bible (Biola University)
Languages: Hebrew OT, Greek NT (Nestle-Aland, Textus Receptus), LXX
Features: Compare multiple versions in parallel, includes morphological tagging, some Greek and Hebrew lexicons.
Strengths: Simple interface, light-weight access for cross-comparative studies.
6. Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (BHS) on Academic-Bible
Languages: Hebrew OT (BHS)
Features: Authorized text by the German Bible Society; critical apparatus available to subscribers.
Strengths: Best online source for critical Hebrew OT text (Masoretic tradition).
7. Nestle-Aland Greek NT (NA28) on Academic-Bible
Languages: Greek NT (NA28)
Features: Critical Greek NT with access to apparatus (partial for free).
Strengths: Scholarly standard text used in most NT exegesis today.
8. Greek Word Study Tool – Perseus Digital Library (Tufts)
Languages: Classical and Koine Greek
Features: Morphological parser, full lexical entries (LSJ), inflection tables.
Strengths: Powerful for studying individual Greek word forms and parsing.
9. Tyndale House Cambridge – Greek New Testament
Languages: Greek NT
Features: Morphological tagging, manuscript-based digital edition, downloadable, built for accuracy in punctuation and layout.
Strengths: Designed with textual criticism and grammar in mind; highly reliable.
10. Septuagint LXX Interlinear – Orthodox Church in America
Languages: Greek OT (Septuagint)
Features: Partial interlinear LXX readings, useful for patristic and Hellenistic Jewish studies.
Strengths: Often reflects NT quotations; important for textual comparisons.
11. Codex Sinaiticus Project
Languages: Greek OT + NT (full manuscript scans)
Features: Digitized manuscript with English translation and parallel transcription.
Strengths: Excellent for manuscript paleography and textual studies.
Lexical Tools Included or Integrated
Strong’s Concordance: BLB, BibleHub, STEP
Thayer’s Lexicon: BibleHub, BLB
Gesenius’ Hebrew Lexicon: BibleHub
Liddell-Scott-Jones (LSJ): Perseus
Brown-Driver-Briggs (BDB): BLB, STEP
Bonus: Downloadable Software with Greek/Hebrew Tools
e-Sword (https://www.e-sword.net/) — Includes BHS, TR, NA, LXX, Strong’s, and lexicons with installable modules.
TheWord (https://www.theword.net/) — Similar to e-Sword; more flexible with Greek/Hebrew add-ons.
Logos Basic (https://www.logos.com/basic) — Free tier includes interlinear Bibles and lexicons; more available with purchases.
--and do your studies yourself since we are Bereans. This is BAM and proud to be affiliated with this forum.
Act 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
Act 17:12 Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Shouldn't be difficult, right @Jim?
J.
I forgot to mention Bob Utley @Jim.I am familiar with some of those already. What should I expect from the rest?
You quoted 2 Timothy 2:15 to me as if you think I haven't done that already. Why? Because I disagree with you? Because you think God gave you a spirit dead in trespasses and sins when you were born? If that is the case, then I think you should heed your own advice with respect to that message from Paul to Timothy.
I have been using e-Sword for years now. It is my favorite. Bob Utley does not come up under downloads for me. Not sure why.I forgot to mention Bob Utley @Jim.
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Shalom.
J.
Can you show me why it does not come up under downloads brother? I will give you assistance step by step. You have to go to e Sword online for this module and THEN download---I have been using e-Sword for years now. It is my favorite. Bob Utley does not come up under downloads for me. Not sure why.
Maybe Later. I have to leave now.Can you show me why it does not come up under downloads brother? I will give you assistance step by step. You have to go to e Sword online for this module and THEN download---
Johann.
Yes let's @Kermos.
Your argument, though rhetorically intense and apparently polemical, rests on a series of category errors, interpolative fallacies, selective proof-texting, and misrepresentations of both Scripture and the historical grammar of the biblical texts. I will proceed line by line to thoroughly rebut your assertions and demonstrate that the biblical witness, rightly divided, does affirm human volition and responsibility—within the context of divine grace—not as a system of Pelagian autonomy, but as the covenantal response expected by God throughout redemptive history.
1. Deuteronomy 30:19 — the so-called “Free-willian” addition (Johann 30:19)
The verse in question from Deuteronomy 30:19 reads:
“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live.”
There is no textual warrant whatsoever for the interpolative gloss you added regarding “choose Messiah” or any divine interruption that Moses allegedly experienced. The Masoretic Text reads:
וּבָֽחַרְתָּ֙ בַּחַיִּ֔ים לְמַ֥עַן תִּחְיֶ֖ה אַתָּ֥ה וְזַרְעֶֽךָ׃
No manuscript—Hebrew, Samaritan Pentateuch, Septuagint, or Qumran—contains your inserted language.
Moreover, the imperative וּבָחַרְתָּ ("and you shall choose") is a Qal perfect with vav-consecutive, functioning as a direct command and connoting volitional response (cf. Waltke & O’Connor, Introduction to Biblical Hebrew Syntax, §34.3).
The structure presupposes capacity for response, not divine manipulation of the will. God is sovereign in presenting the choice, but the human agent is responsible for the response (cf. +Deut 11:26–28, Isa 1:18–20). Kermos 30:19
2. Joshua 24:15 — another fictional insertion (Johann 24:15)
The authentic verse says:
“...choose you this day whom ye will serve... but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.”
Here again, the imperative בְּחַר־לָכֶם ("choose for yourselves") is a Qal imperative—an actual command that expects a human response (BDB #103, HALOT 140).
This is not a mock imperative given to robots. The syntax itself precludes determinism. Furthermore, Joshua is not being ironic. The verse occurs in a covenant-renewal ceremony (cf. +Josh 24:1–27), where the entire point is to elicit an actual response from the people. If there were no volitional capacity, the command would be meaningless—a divine charade.
3. Proverbs 1:29 — “No free-will on the righteous side”
You quote:
“Because they hated knowledge and did not choose the fear of the LORD.” Kermos 1.29
The key verb וְיִרְאַ֥ת יְהוָֽה לֹ֣א בָחָֽרוּ׃ ("they did not choose the fear of the LORD") uses the verb בָחַר again, in the perfect tense, negated by לֹא, clearly indicating an actual volitional rejection of something presented to them. The Hebrew text affirms choice, not incapacity.
The entire context of Proverbs 1 is framed as Wisdom calling aloud to those who can hear but refuse. This is moral culpability, not predestined rebellion. The Book of Proverbs, by literary design, rests on the assumption that man must choose between two paths—not that he is fated onto one. (cf. +Prov 9:10, +Prov 4:26–27).
4. Philippians 2:13 — “God is at work in you”
Indeed, Philippians 2:13 says:
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
However, this does not negate human volition. Paul just finished exhorting believers in the prior verse (v. 12):
“Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”
The two verses must be taken together. God energizes (ἐνεργῶν) the believer’s ability and will, but this energizing presupposes a cooperative, not coercive, relationship.
This is the synergism of sanctification—God initiates, empowers, and sustains, but we respond.
This echoes +1 Thess 2:13 and +Col 1:29. Furthermore, Paul’s use of θέλειν (to will) alongside ἐνεργεῖν (to work) affirms that human willing exists—yet as grace-enabled.
5. 1 Corinthians 2:14 — “the natural man does not receive…”
Correctly quoted, the text reads:
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God...”
This is not a denial of free will per se, but a commentary on the inability of the ψυχικός ἄνθρωπος (soulish man) to comprehend or discern spiritual truths apart from the Spirit. The contrast here is not between determinism and libertarian freedom, but between unregenerate and regenerate states.
That the Spirit must illumine does not mean the person is a puppet. (cf. +John 16:13, +Acts 16:14). Even in Acts 16:14, Lydia is described as having her heart opened—yet she gave heed (προσέχειν), a volitional action.
6. John 5:40 — “and you are unwilling…”
Christ says plainly:
“And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.”
The Greek οὐ θέλετε ἐλθεῖν denotes deliberate refusal. Christ does not say “you are unable to come,” but “you are unwilling.” The rejection is not for lack of capacity but lack of desire. The context is deeply moral, not ontological. Compare +John 3:19–20, where the condemnation is that men loved darkness rather than light. This is choice in the context of accountability.
7. Matthew 23:37 — “I would…but you would not”
You claim that Matthew 23:37 must be reinterpreted by proximity to Matthew 21:9. However, your argument is flawed. In 23:37, Christ says:
“...how often would I have gathered thy children together... and ye would not!”
This is a first-class Greek construction with ἠθέλησα... καὶ οὐκ ἠθελήσατε, indicating His will and their resistance. Christ's lament is not a farce. He is not speaking of the final Passion Week only, but of repeated historical outreach (as “how often” indicates). The divine will to gather was resisted by human volition. Compare +Isa 65:2 and +Jer 7:13, where the same tension is seen.
8. Acts 7:51 — “You always resist the Holy Ghost”
This is, in fact, one of the most powerful free-agency affirming verses in the New Testament:
“Ye stiffnecked... ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.”
The verb ἀντιπίπτω (to resist, oppose) is active voice, present tense, plural subject. The resistance is continuous and culpable. The Holy Spirit is not irresistibly rejected because He is not irresistibly imposed. This statement would be incoherent if human agents could not resist. The entire prophetic indictment hinges on their active moral refusal of grace. (cf. +Isa 63:10, +Zech 7:11–12).
9. "No Scripture says man was imparted free-will..."
This is a semantic evasion. Scripture does not need to use the phrase “free-will” for the concept of human volition to be present. It is evidenced:
In every covenantal “if/then” clause (+Deut 28; +Lev 26).
In every divine command (+Isa 1:18–20, +Ez 18:30–32).
In God’s grief over rejection (+Hos 11:7–9, +Jer 13:17).
In Christ’s repeated calls to repent and believe (+Matt 11:28, +Mark 1:15, +Rev 22:17).
In the many biblical examples of individuals choosing to repent or harden themselves (+Ps 32:5, +2 Chron 33:12–13, +Heb 3:15).
10. Final assertion — “God gets all the glory, man is entirely passive”
Yes, God gets all the glory (cf. +Rom 11:36). But He gets it not by nullifying human will, but by restoring it through grace. To assert otherwise is to reduce humans to automata and to erase the very fabric of covenantal response.
The glory of God is magnified when rebellious creatures, wooed by grace, freely respond in repentance and faith. That is the heart of the gospel. That is why the Scripture always speaks of our believing, repenting, loving, and following—not as illusions—but as grace-empowered realities.
Respectfully, the deterministic theology you have espoused does not do justice to the biblical grammar, narrative structure, or covenantal coherence of Scripture. Man’s volition is real, morally accountable, and God-enabled—not self-originating, but authentically responsive.
“Choose this day”—because it is a real choice, presented by the God who desires all men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4).
Explain to me, then, what is the nature of an imperative—when Scripture declares, “Do this!” or “Follow Me!” it issues not a suggestion but a divine command that inherently calls for response.
Such commands are designed to awaken and engage the entire human faculty—body, heart, and soul—summoning the hearer into motion, into obedience, into covenantal fidelity.
Yet Kermos would have us believe that man is "wholly passive," incapable of acting upon even a sanctified will, unable to respond in faith or obedience—an assertion which stands in direct contradiction to the character and grammar of the inspired text.
An imperative presumes a responsive subject.
To nullify the human capacity for volitional obedience under grace is to strip God’s commands of sincerity and moral coherence.
The God who commands also enables, but He does not command the stone; He addresses the image-bearing creature, calling him into living, relational response.
Make sense?
J.
Here it is @KermosIn "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants
(Deuteronomy 30:19), we find Moses talking, not God, so "No Word of God states man was imparted free-will, so free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9)" applies to Deuteronomy 30:19.
Who died? God? Or the man Jesus Christ?
J.
God did not die, Messiah in His humanity died.
J.
If it is of no edification to you, may it bless others who are hungry for God's word.
J.
I’m not here to criticize anyone, but it seems there may be some pride surfacing that’s worth gently reflecting on..Just pointing out that you're criticizing others for their traditions, yet you have plenty of your own.
God the Son diedGod did not die, Messiah in His humanity died.
J.
AmenGod definitely died.
He flat out said so.
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. (Rev. 1:18 NKJ)
God did not die in His divine essence, but the God-Man, Jesus Christ, died in His human nature.God definitely died.
He flat out said so.
I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. (Rev. 1:18 NKJ)
God did not die in His divine essence, but the God-Man, Jesus Christ, died in His human nature.