I can't read your mind. I don't know what you consider "already begun". Feel free to point it out. I have asked several questions and you're ignoring them. You can answer them.
What exactly am I ignoring?
Rom 3:1 Jews Still Have an Advantage
¶ Therefore, what is the advantage of the Jew, or what is the use of circumcision?
Rom 3:2 Much in every way. For first, that they were entrusted with the oracles of God.
Rom 3:3 What is the result [Literally “for what”] if some refused to believe? Their unbelief will not nullify the faithfulness of God, will it ?
Rom 3:4 May it never be! But let God be true but every human being a liar, just as it is written,
“In order that you may be justified in your words,
and may prevail when you are [*Or, if the form is understood as middle voice, “when you yourself judge”] judged.” [A quotation from
Ps 51:4]
Rom 3:5 ¶ But if our unrighteousness demonstrates the righteousness of God, what shall we say? God, who inflicts wrath, is not unjust, is he ? (I am speaking according to a human perspective.)
Rom 3:6 May it never be! For otherwise, how will God judge the world?
Rom 3:7 But if by my lying, the truth of God abounded to his glory, why am I also still condemned as a sinner?
Rom 3:8 And why not (as we are slandered, and as some affirm that we say), “Let us do evil, in order that good may come of it ? Their [Literally “whose”] condemnation is just!
No One Is Righteous
Rom 3:9
The Entire World Guilty of Sin
¶ What then? Do we have an advantage? Not at all. For we have already charged both Jews and Greeks are all under sin,
Rom 3:10 just as it is written,
“There is no one righteous, not even one;
Rom 3:11 there is no one who understands;
there is no one who seeks God.
Rom 3:12 All have turned aside together; they have become worthless;
There is no one who practices kindness;
there is not even one. [Verses 10–12 are a quotation from
Ps 14:1–3]
Rom 3:13 Their throat is an opened grave;
they deceive with their tongues;
the venom of asps is under their lips, [A quotation fro
m Ps 5:9 and Ps 140:3]
Rom 3:14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. [A quotation from
Ps 10:7]
Rom 3:15 Their feet are swift to shed blood;
Rom 3:16 destruction and distress are in their paths,
Rom 3:17 and they have not known the way of peace.
[Verses 15–17 are a quotation from Isa 59:7–8]
Rom 3:18 The fear of God is not before their eyes.”
[A quotation from Ps 36:1]
Rom 3:19 ¶ Now we know that whatever the law says, it speaks to those under the law, in order that every mouth may be closed and the whole world may become accountable to God.
Rom 3:20 For by the works of the law no person will be declared righteous [Literally “all flesh will not be declared righteous”] before him, for through the law comes knowledge of sin.
The Righteousness of God Through Faith
Rom 3:21 Righteousness through Faith Revealed
¶ But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified about by the law and the prophets—
Rom 3:22 that is, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ [Or “through the faithfulness of Jesus Christ”] to all who believe. For there is no distinction,
Rom 3:2
3 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Rom 3:24 being justified as a gift by his grace, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
Rom 3:25 whom God made publicly available as the mercy seat [Or “as the place of propitiation”] through faith in his blood, for a demonstration of his righteousness, because of the passing over of previously committed sins,
Rom 3:26 in the forbearance of God, for the demonstration of his righteousness in the present time, so that he should be just and the one who justifies the person by faith [Or “by Jesus’ faithfulness”] in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 ¶ Therefore, where is boasting? It has been excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law [Or “a principle”] of faith.
Rom 3:28 For we consider a person to be justified by faith apart from the works of the law.
Rom 3:29 Or is God the God of the Jews only? Is he not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, also of the Gentiles,
Rom 3:30 since God is one, who will justify those who are circumcised [Literally “circumcision”] by faith and those who are uncircumcised [Literally “uncircumcision”] through faith.
Rom 3:31 Therefore, do we nullify the law through faith? May it never be! But we uphold the law.
What's so difficult to understand here?
Gen 3:1 The Fall
¶ Now the serpent was more crafty than any other wild animal [Literally “animal of the field”] which Yahweh God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God indeed say, ‘You shall not eat from any tree in the garden’?”
Gen 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, “From the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat,
Gen 3:3 but from the tree that is in the midst of the garden, God said, ‘You shall not eat from it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die’.”
Gen 3:4 But the serpent said to the woman, “You shall not surely die.
Gen 3:5 For God knows that on the day you both eat from it, then your eyes will be opened and you both shall be like gods, [The plural is in the context of v. 22 “one of us” and the plural suffix pronouns [“you all ”] throughout the verse] knowing good and evil.”
Gen 3:6 When [Or “And”] the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes, and the tree was desirable to make one wise, then [Or “and”] she took from its fruit and she ate. And she gave it also to her husband with her, and he ate.
Gen 3:7 Then [Or “And”] the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked. And they sewed together fig leaves and they made for themselves coverings.
Gen 3:8 ¶ Then [Or “And”] they heard the sound of Yahweh God walking in the garden at the windy time of day. [Literally “at the wind of the day”] And the man [“The man” indicates the noun is singular and occurs with the definite article] and his wife hid themselves from the presence of Yahweh God among the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And Yahweh God called to the man [“The man” indicates the noun is singular and occurs with the definite article] and said to him, “Where are you?”
Gen 3:10 And he replied, [Literally “And he said”; “replied” distinguishes Adam as the speaker] “I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid because I am naked, so I hid myself.”
Gen 3:11 Then he [That is, Yahweh God] asked, [Or “said”] “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree from which I forbade you to eat?” [Literally “the tree which I commanded to not eat from it”]
Gen 3:12 And the man [“The man” indicates the noun is singular and occurs with the definite article] replied, [Or “said”] “The woman whom you gave to be with me—she gave to me from the tree and I ate.”
Gen 3:13 Then [Or “And”] Yahweh God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”
Gen 3:14 Then [Or “And”] Yahweh God said to the serpent,
“Because you have done this,
you will be cursed
more than any domesticated animal
and more than any wild animal. [Literally “animal of the earth/land”]
On your belly you shall go
and dust you shall eat
all the days of your life.
Gen 3:15 And I will put hostility
between you and between the woman,
and between your offspring [Literally “seed”] and between her offspring; [Literally “seed”]
he will strike you on the head,
and you will strike him on the heel.”
Gen 3:16 ¶ To the woman he said,
“I will greatly increase
your pain in childbearing; [Literally “your pain and your childbearing”]
in pain you shall bear children.
And to your husband shall be your desire.
And he shall rule over you.”
Gen 3:17 ¶ And to Adam [The noun lacks the definite article and is taken as a proper noun in this context] he said, “Because you listened to the voice of your wife and you ate from the tree from which I forbade you to eat, [Literally “from the tree which I commanded saying not to eat from it”]
the ground shall be cursed on your account.
In pain you shall eat from it
all the days of your life.
Gen 3:18 And thorns and thistles shall sprout for you,
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
Gen 3:19 By the sweat of your brow [Literally “your face”]
you shall eat bread,
until your return to the ground.
For from it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.”
Gen 3:20 ¶ And the man [“The man” indicates the noun is singular and occurs with the definite article] named [Literally “called the name”] his wife Eve, because she was the mother of all life.
Gen 3:21 And Yahweh God made for Adam [The noun lacks the definite article and is taken as a proper noun in this context] and for his wife garments of skin, and he clothed them.
Gen 3:22 ¶ And Yahweh God said, “Look—the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil. What if [Literally “And now lest”] he stretches out his hand and takes also from the tree of life and eats, and lives forever?”
Gen 3:23 And Yahweh God sent him out from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from which he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So [Or “And”] he drove the man out, and placed cherubim east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming, turning sword [Literally “a flame of the sword which was turning”] to guard the way to the tree of life.
Pick any translation you prefer and don't proof texting-bad hermeneutics.
I believe Genesis 3 And Romans 3 have already answered your question/s unless, of course, you want to reinterpret according to
@praise_yeshua's presuppositions and worldview.
Here is the concept of original sin and the WHOLE world guilty before a holy Elohim-wouldn't you agree? How then can you make an assertion re innocence and sinlessness?
It's not about "who are they" it's the WHOLE world guilty and read Ephesians.
J.
