An Article on free will

@GodsGrace ,

Your response to Kermos is spot on... but one thing that all Free Will thinking people fail to point out to the predestined group is
Adam and Eve.

If God did not make Adam and by extension Eve with free wills, then God set them on the path for their own basic eternal destruction.

Adam is made, and in the garden and God gives him 1 strong command. " 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Adam, obviously was to inform Eve of the banned fruit, but either he did not explain it well, or she managed to be enticed into trying it.

I digress.

If God had PREDESTINATED their course in life, then we need to ask not just if it was fair, but why? Surly God would not have made them
to eat that fruit or even be tempted to with the idea that first man would from that point be spiritually dead?

If God had instilled free-will in them then they screwed up not knowing what they were going to lose out on then that was their own stupidity.

We have been told a biblical concept found in Psalm 8 and Hebrews 2, which states that humans were created slightly lower than angels and are crowned with glory and honor by God.

But we also must understand that the angels did have free will .... Lucifer did and the 1/3 of them that followed Lucifer did.... Certainly God did not predestine them to rebel. Therefore, Man also must also have been created with free will. The Holy Scriptures are full of examples of those who followed and obeyed God while others went the other way.

And right now I have to run. Toodles.
 
@synergy

Save your money, I'm not far from 80 and still do not use glasses except for reading, and even then only to make sure that I'm reading the writing correctly, and I can go faster with glasses.

synergy, of course I know you were not talking about the apostle, that's cunning on your part to thrown that in as though I'm not following you very well ~ try harder to be honest, I know I'm asking a lot from you, but try. I know you were not speaking about any particluar denomination, even though you without question hinted as to who had the truth to start with ~ when you said plainly:

Like the Eastern Orthodox Church, little sister of the RCC, same father, same generations of vipers of the old serpent, the great enemy of the saints.

No thank you, I'll have not one thing to do with those two whores, (among many more in the religious sector of mystery Babylon) where the man of sin, sits and rules, declaring himself to be God.

synergy, let me be very clear to you and any other person that may read this: I take every word that is recorded in the scriptures as coming from the mouth of God and test every doctrine, and teaching of man by the scriptures, period. Any words, traditions of men spoken outside of the scriptures, whether they be words from even angels, of words that any apostle that men think they have found, that is not recorded in the scriptures, as false, if those words go against what is written and preserved for us in the scriptures of truth.

Galatians 1:8​

“But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

Daniel 10:21​

“But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.”

All godly angels and men live by what is noted in the scriptures of truth, for there is no spiritual truth outside of the word of God. Man has sought to corrupt and pervert truth by their traditions and man made commandments, etc. Is this point clear to you? Sola Scriptura for all of God's children is what we live by and trust in.

Have you ever heard of the thing called prayer, seeking, trusting, mediations, etc. this is where truth comes to God's children, we darn not trust in our own hearts and so-called critical thinking, that's one reason there is so much corruption of God words, men playing God, with God's word.

Luke 20:46​

“Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;”

These sodomites play the part of being religious, but inwardly, they go after little boys behind their parents back! Using rellgion to fulfill their sinful lust. Proven fact, just now coming out, but so much still has been kept from public. Of course, I know that this type of wickedness is not limited to EOC/RCC, but is in every false cults in the religious sector mystery Babylon.

We are talking about religion, and God's word, not concerning secular things of this world. Not very much good coming out of the middle east at the moment. It is sad to see all the hatred and misery those folks are living in day after day. Not very much good has come from there once the apostles died off.

On that point He was correct, and should be commended ~ he used it different than the way you did, and you that to be so.

Both Scripture and the original Churches were both bequeathed to us by Apostles. It would be ludicrous for the Apostles to bequeath to us Scripture and original Church practices that contradict each other. You're accusing the Apostles of being schizophrenic. Either accept the Apostles as a whole or you are flat out betraying them. Either accept everything they bequeathed to us or you become the very same false prophet that your quoted verses warn us against.

As for Bible verses (for example 2 Th 2:13), you tend to run off to other passages hoping that your interpretation of those other passages overwhelm what 2 Th 2:13 clearly says, namely that belief precedes election. Throwing verses against verses will never allow you to arrive at the Truth. Verses must be harmonized, not overwhelmed into submission according to your misguided presuppositions.

Prayer promotes critical thinking. You are promoting a false dichotomy between prayer and critical thinking. Our brains are gifts from God and he expects us to use them. So hop to it. For example, considering Jesus' Baptism, would you include infants within the scope of Jesus' righteousness (Matt 3:15) or not?
 
@GodsGrace ,

Your response to Kermos is spot on... but one thing that all Free Will thinking people fail to point out to the predestined group is
Adam and Eve.

If God did not make Adam and by extension Eve with free wills, then God set them on the path for their own basic eternal destruction.

Adam is made, and in the garden and God gives him 1 strong command. " 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.” Adam, obviously was to inform Eve of the banned fruit, but either he did not explain it well, or she managed to be enticed into trying it.

I digress.

If God had PREDESTINATED their course in life, then we need to ask not just if it was fair, but why? Surly God would not have made them
to eat that fruit or even be tempted to with the idea that first man would from that point be spiritually dead?

If God had instilled free-will in them then they screwed up not knowing what they were going to lose out on then that was their own stupidity.

We have been told a biblical concept found in Psalm 8 and Hebrews 2, which states that humans were created slightly lower than angels and are crowned with glory and honor by God.

But we also must understand that the angels did have free will .... Lucifer did and the 1/3 of them that followed Lucifer did.... Certainly God did not predestine them to rebel. Therefore, Man also must also have been created with free will. The Holy Scriptures are full of examples of those who followed and obeyed God while others went the other way.

And right now I have to run. Toodles.

Adam as part of God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind before the foundation of the world​


SINCE God saw creation was very good on the 6th Day (Genesis 1:31)

AND God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind is good (Ephesians 1:1-14, Ephesians 2:13)

AND no person can thwart God's Plan (Job 42:2)

THEN a free will Adam could not have been roaming the Garden of Eden with the ability to choose to obey God's command not to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 2:17)

SINCE the only command carrying a punishment was the prohibition upon Adam against eating of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

THUS a free will Adam could have disrupted God's Plan of Redemption through the Christ for mankind

SO God could not conclude with certainty by declaring everything was good on the sixth day with a free will Adam in control roaming the Garden of Eden

THEREFORE it follows that Adam could not be endowed with the attribute of free will

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE CREATOR!!!
 
For example, considering Jesus' Baptism, would you include infants within the scope of Jesus' righteousness (Matt 3:15) or not?
No infant baptism here @synergy.


Mat 3:13 Then comes Jesus from Galilee unto the Jordan to John, to be immersed by him.
Mat 3:14 And John restrains him, saying, I [need have by you to be immersed], and you come to me?
Mat 3:15 And answering Jesus said to him,
Allow it just now! for to this it is becoming to us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he allows him.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus having been immersed, ascended straightway from the water. And behold, [were opened to him the heavens], and he beheld the spirit of God coming down as a dove, and coming upon him.

Mat 3:17 And behold, a voice from out of the heavens, saying, This is my son the beloved, in whom I take pleasure.

INFANT BAPTISM
The Roman Catholics use holy water in baptizing or christening little babies, as well as adults, which they claim is necessary to make them holy, thereby taking away original sin. All non-Catholics are agreed that Catholics are “water heretics”.

I heard a Lutheran preacher declare that the baby of Lutheran parents becomes a Christian when presented for baptism by sprinkling.
He said, “this is becoming a Christian by accident”.

He forgot to quote the Scripture to support his “baby” baptism, which we can prove by the Baptists is “heresy”. Have all of these put on Christ?

Galatians 3:26 to 28. As many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Many covenant churches, which practice infant sprinkling, teach that the children of believing parents either become members of the church when sprinkled, or thereby become Christians.

The Reformed Church is one of the covenant churches teaching infant church membership and infant baptism. I quote from the printed message of Dr. Albertus Pieters:

WHY WE BAPTIZE INFANTS
“We do not mean that there is in Holy Scriptures any direct exhortation or command to baptize infants. There is not.” He would not find infant baptism in the Bible, because it is not there, and can not be gotten out of the Bible,”

The Bible is entirely silent about infant baptism, either pro or con.” We admit it. We do not profess to get infant baptism from its pages. We do profess to justify infant baptism from its pages. That is a very different thing.”

“It is at present the rule with all of the 500,000,000 professing Christians in the world, except the various Baptist bodies in this country or elsewhere. I have no exact figures at hand but, as nearly as I can determine, the Baptist population of the world may be something like 30,000,000. What is practiced and regarded as a most important religious ceremony by nearly 95 per cent of all Christians in the world, may fairly be called a “Christian practice.”

“The next great church father to testify is Origen of Alexandria, who was without question, the best informed Christian of his day. He was born in 185 A.D. and was himself baptized in infancy. In his Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, according to Schaaf- Herzog Encyclopedia, he says:

‘The church has received the tradition from the apostles, to give baptism to little children.”

He also speaks of infant baptism as a ‘custom of the church.’ This testimony of Origen’s is decisive. He lived at the center of early Christianity, and had resided for a time in Palestine. When he says that the practice of infant baptism was received from the apostles, it is not likely that he is mistaken about it.”

Then Dr. Pieters quotes from several other early church fathers. In his quotations he shows that these fathers disagreed concerning water baptism. This “Reformed” theologian has made the confession that should be made by every one who teaches and preaches water baptism, whatsoever or whatever mode or formula is used, and whatever signification may be given to the water ceremony: namely, that they are following traditions instead of the Bible.

It requires just five questions concerning water baptism to prove to any honest, unprejudiced Christian that his water doctrine is only theory. But even after it is proved to be a theory he is as fearful about giving it up as the Romanists are concerning candle-sticks, incense and beads. Among immersionists there are more than a dozen Scriptural explanations of each particular “water” ceremony.

Divers baptisms were imposed upon Israel until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:10. But their baptisms were not as divers as are the “baptism” theories among the people of God. What utter confusion! What unholy controversies! What unspiritual divisions have been caused among members of Christ’s Body because of these traditional theories!

Whereas, God enjoins us to keep the unity of the Spirit, specifically declaring, “there is one baptism.” Ephesians 4:5. Does water baptism unite the believing sinner to the risen Christ? Divine baptism does. But then the claim is that water baptism should follow. Then there are two baptisms. God declares for this dispensation ONE.

Let us remember that the Lord Jesus, in the flesh, was both circumcised and baptized. He never intimated that baptism would take the place of circumcision; and it never did. But only spiritual circumcision and baptism now remain. Colossians 2:11 and 12.

BAPTISTS NOT AGREED
Many Baptists declare that the baptism by immersion is the door of entrance into the Church. Some say that the Church was founded by John the Baptist; others say “No”. One of the outstanding Baptist pastors, who preached for years in New York City, said that God had joined together faith and water for salvation in Mark 16:16 and they could not be separated. However, he inconsistently separated from faith and water the signs of Mark 16:17 and 18. This beloved pastor received, by letter, several Baptists from a Baptist Church in a near-by city and immersed them anew in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, because their former pastor had baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Other Baptists say their immersion is a burial ceremony to indicate the “old man” is dead and buried. Some Baptists say they hold for “restricted communion” because all true Christians must be baptized by Baptist preachers and become members of the Baptist Church. But most of them will acknowledge that they require for membership in their Baptist churches a water ceremony not required for membership in the Bible Church of this dispensation.

ALIEN BAPTISM
Some time ago I was attending a Conference of Fundamentalists in South Eastern Illinois. There were a number of Baptist agitators there from that section and from Kentucky, who did everything they could to wreck the Conference. Their war cry was “alien baptism”. They were in earnest. It was a serious matter with them.

Just as the Jews wanted to tear Paul into pieces, because that Greek had polluted their temple by his presence (Acts 21:27 to Acts 22:23), they announced their anathema upon the Baptist pastor for permitting to stand in his “Baptist” pulpit, men who had received “alien baptism”. Every speaker, but one, had been immersed, ‘‘but their contention was that their baptism was unscriptural and valueless because not administered in the one and only New Testament church (the real Baptist Church), in the one and only New Testament way, immersion, as a door of entrance into the one and only true Church.

These exclusive Baptists could not believe that any good thing, spiritually, could come out of any other denomination. And how they did condemn the Campbellites for their doctrine of “new birth by water”. But neither these Baptists, nor any other Baptists, have explained” to the Campbellites and the Pentecostalists why they do not preach Acts 2:38: “baptism for the remission of sins and for the reception of the Holy Spirit. “They prefer not to discuss Acts 2:38.

This three-cornered battle is raging! A baptismal feud has been on for years.

The Baptists prefer not to discuss with the Campbellites and the Pentecostalists Mark 16:16, “he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.” Note the order—1 believeth—2 is baptized—3 shall be saved. If we are working under Mark 16:14 to 18 let us adhere to the order and add the signs and say with Paul, “forbid not to speak with tongues.” I Corinthians 14:39. And how helpless a Baptist would be if he had to defend his position by Acts 19:1 to 7, which is the program attempted by the Pentecostalists. What’s the order? “Water baptism”—“imposition of hands”—“Holy Spirit”—“tongues”. Where is such an order to be found in any Baptist assembly? It is the order in the Scriptures that give us the last record of the baptism of the disciples of Christ.

The children of Israel were baptized unto Moses by two great miracles, but in spite of other supernatural Divine tokens, Israel yielded to temptation. By the miracle of regeneration, by a Divine baptism not made with hands, we were joined to Christ. We should be careful about stumbling, remembering the experience of Israel in the wilderness. Some religious leader started this water theory and some splendid servants of the Lord followed their teaching; and thus another tradition; and little infants are immersed in bath tubs.


Please read the whole article.

Thanks.

J.
 
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No infant baptism here @synergy.


Mat 3:13 Then comes Jesus from Galilee unto the Jordan to John, to be immersed by him.
Mat 3:14 And John restrains him, saying, I [need have by you to be immersed], and you come to me?
Mat 3:15 And answering Jesus said to him,
Allow it just now! for to this it is becoming to us to fulfill all righteousness. Then he allows him.
Mat 3:16 And Jesus having been immersed, ascended straightway from the water. And behold, [were opened to him the heavens], and he beheld the spirit of God coming down as a dove, and coming upon him.

Mat 3:17 And behold, a voice from out of the heavens, saying, This is my son the beloved, in whom I take pleasure.

INFANT BAPTISM
The Roman Catholics use holy water in baptizing or christening little babies, as well as adults, which they claim is necessary to make them holy, thereby taking away original sin. All non-Catholics are agreed that Catholics are “water heretics”.

I heard a Lutheran preacher declare that the baby of Lutheran parents becomes a Christian when presented for baptism by sprinkling.
He said, “this is becoming a Christian by accident”.

He forgot to quote the Scripture to support his “baby” baptism, which we can prove by the Baptists is “heresy”. Have all of these put on Christ?

Galatians 3:26 to 28. As many as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Many covenant churches, which practice infant sprinkling, teach that the children of believing parents either become members of the church when sprinkled, or thereby become Christians.

The Reformed Church is one of the covenant churches teaching infant church membership and infant baptism. I quote from the printed message of Dr. Albertus Pieters:

WHY WE BAPTIZE INFANTS
“We do not mean that there is in Holy Scriptures any direct exhortation or command to baptize infants. There is not.” He would not find infant baptism in the Bible, because it is not there, and can not be gotten out of the Bible,”

The Bible is entirely silent about infant baptism, either pro or con.” We admit it. We do not profess to get infant baptism from its pages. We do profess to justify infant baptism from its pages. That is a very different thing.”

“It is at present the rule with all of the 500,000,000 professing Christians in the world, except the various Baptist bodies in this country or elsewhere. I have no exact figures at hand but, as nearly as I can determine, the Baptist population of the world may be something like 30,000,000. What is practiced and regarded as a most important religious ceremony by nearly 95 per cent of all Christians in the world, may fairly be called a “Christian practice.”

“The next great church father to testify is Origen of Alexandria, who was without question, the best informed Christian of his day. He was born in 185 A.D. and was himself baptized in infancy. In his Commentary on the Epistle to the Romans, according to Schaaf- Herzog Encyclopedia, he says:

‘The church has received the tradition from the apostles, to give baptism to little children.”

He also speaks of infant baptism as a ‘custom of the church.’ This testimony of Origen’s is decisive. He lived at the center of early Christianity, and had resided for a time in Palestine. When he says that the practice of infant baptism was received from the apostles, it is not likely that he is mistaken about it.”

Then Dr. Pieters quotes from several other early church fathers. In his quotations he shows that these fathers disagreed concerning water baptism. This “Reformed” theologian has made the confession that should be made by every one who teaches and preaches water baptism, whatsoever or whatever mode or formula is used, and whatever signification may be given to the water ceremony: namely, that they are following traditions instead of the Bible.

It requires just five questions concerning water baptism to prove to any honest, unprejudiced Christian that his water doctrine is only theory. But even after it is proved to be a theory he is as fearful about giving it up as the Romanists are concerning candle-sticks, incense and beads. Among immersionists there are more than a dozen Scriptural explanations of each particular “water” ceremony.

Divers baptisms were imposed upon Israel until the time of reformation. Hebrews 9:10. But their baptisms were not as divers as are the “baptism” theories among the people of God. What utter confusion! What unholy controversies! What unspiritual divisions have been caused among members of Christ’s Body because of these traditional theories!

Whereas, God enjoins us to keep the unity of the Spirit, specifically declaring, “there is one baptism.” Ephesians 4:5. Does water baptism unite the believing sinner to the risen Christ? Divine baptism does. But then the claim is that water baptism should follow. Then there are two baptisms. God declares for this dispensation ONE.

Let us remember that the Lord Jesus, in the flesh, was both circumcised and baptized. He never intimated that baptism would take the place of circumcision; and it never did. But only spiritual circumcision and baptism now remain. Colossians 2:11 and 12.

BAPTISTS NOT AGREED
Many Baptists declare that the baptism by immersion is the door of entrance into the Church. Some say that the Church was founded by John the Baptist; others say “No”. One of the outstanding Baptist pastors, who preached for years in New York City, said that God had joined together faith and water for salvation in Mark 16:16 and they could not be separated. However, he inconsistently separated from faith and water the signs of Mark 16:17 and 18. This beloved pastor received, by letter, several Baptists from a Baptist Church in a near-by city and immersed them anew in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost, because their former pastor had baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Other Baptists say their immersion is a burial ceremony to indicate the “old man” is dead and buried. Some Baptists say they hold for “restricted communion” because all true Christians must be baptized by Baptist preachers and become members of the Baptist Church. But most of them will acknowledge that they require for membership in their Baptist churches a water ceremony not required for membership in the Bible Church of this dispensation.

ALIEN BAPTISM
Some time ago I was attending a Conference of Fundamentalists in South Eastern Illinois. There were a number of Baptist agitators there from that section and from Kentucky, who did everything they could to wreck the Conference. Their war cry was “alien baptism”. They were in earnest. It was a serious matter with them.

Just as the Jews wanted to tear Paul into pieces, because that Greek had polluted their temple by his presence (Acts 21:27 to Acts 22:23), they announced their anathema upon the Baptist pastor for permitting to stand in his “Baptist” pulpit, men who had received “alien baptism”. Every speaker, but one, had been immersed, ‘‘but their contention was that their baptism was unscriptural and valueless because not administered in the one and only New Testament church (the real Baptist Church), in the one and only New Testament way, immersion, as a door of entrance into the one and only true Church.

These exclusive Baptists could not believe that any good thing, spiritually, could come out of any other denomination. And how they did condemn the Campbellites for their doctrine of “new birth by water”. But neither these Baptists, nor any other Baptists, have explained” to the Campbellites and the Pentecostalists why they do not preach Acts 2:38: “baptism for the remission of sins and for the reception of the Holy Spirit. “They prefer not to discuss Acts 2:38.

This three-cornered battle is raging! A baptismal feud has been on for years.

The Baptists prefer not to discuss with the Campbellites and the Pentecostalists Mark 16:16, “he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.” Note the order—1 believeth—2 is baptized—3 shall be saved. If we are working under Mark 16:14 to 18 let us adhere to the order and add the signs and say with Paul, “forbid not to speak with tongues.” I Corinthians 14:39. And how helpless a Baptist would be if he had to defend his position by Acts 19:1 to 7, which is the program attempted by the Pentecostalists. What’s the order? “Water baptism”—“imposition of hands”—“Holy Spirit”—“tongues”. Where is such an order to be found in any Baptist assembly? It is the order in the Scriptures that give us the last record of the baptism of the disciples of Christ.

The children of Israel were baptized unto Moses by two great miracles, but in spite of other supernatural Divine tokens, Israel yielded to temptation. By the miracle of regeneration, by a Divine baptism not made with hands, we were joined to Christ. We should be careful about stumbling, remembering the experience of Israel in the wilderness. Some religious leader started this water theory and some splendid servants of the Lord followed their teaching; and thus another tradition; and little infants are immersed in bath tubs.


Please read the whole article.

Thanks.

J.
Thank you for quoting that article. I found no mention of Acts 2:39 nor Jesus' Baptism. It's as if the writer is blind to or deliberately avoids verses that do or can include infants one way or another.

BTW, can you give me your answer on my question you quoted:
considering Jesus' Baptism, would you include infants within the scope of Jesus' righteousness (Matt 3:15) or not?
No rush. Take your time.
 
I am tired of your insults and condemnations and reported you.

Stating your heartfelt belief along with where your heartfelt faith leads is stating fact. If you find this Truth (John 14:6) insulting, then the flaw is in your Free-willian Philosophy.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your natural fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe in Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (The Word of God, John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!
 
Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (The Word of God, John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).
Let's look at all those wonderful quotes you marked in red. I'll talk about John 6:29 first and then the rest.
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29)
That is a wonderful synergistic verse that beautifully and explicitly demonstrates how it is the work of God that you believe in Him whom He has sent The verb "believe" is an active verb. That verse clearly demonstrates how God and you are both actively involved in a synergistic relationship. Thank you so much for that amazing verse.

Now let's look at all the other wonderful verses you so graciously forwarded. Permit me to add in one more verse (John 8:24) which is the least I can do as my contribution to your amazing set of verses.

(John 8:24) Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.”

That means you are dead in your sins as long as you do not believe. So if you think that one is chosen in Christ (made alive in Christ) before one actively believes in Christ (still dead in his sins), well, that makes you a Living Dead person for that period of time. Now we wouldn't want to have that now, would we? Of course not.

So let's make sure that we do away with the man-made "regeneration before belief" heresy so that we can all enjoy properly all those wonderful verses you so graciously forwarded
 
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Persons give likes because they fully agree with something that is said and, if you ever want to take notice of this,
ONLY CALVINISTS agree that God is the God that YOU THINK He is.
@GodsGrace

Greetings Fran, I have a few things to say to your post. Leaving @Kermos out of my post to you, since I'm not here to defend any person, even if I agree with some things they may post, while maybe disagreeing with their method.......even in the scriptures, certain prophets had totally different method of preaching from each other~ Elijah was very forceful and out spoken, did not care much for others feelings, while others were more fatherly in their approach ~ besides, that's not up to me or you, to approve or disapprove, they are not our servant to judge, I'll leave that to God, whose judgement is according to the truth and what he knows to be in man's heart, which I do not know.
Every other denomination DISAGREES with reformed theology because it CANNOT possibly be right.
This would give me pause and lead me to reconsider my belief system.
Fran, whose cares if others agree with you or not? I surely do not and neither should you, if we in our hearts believe what we see to be the truth from God's word, then we have an responsibility before the God of heaven to proclaim it without fear, and without seeking man's approval. And we will add, if it is the truth, than we know from the scriptures most will not accept it, never have, never will. If most accept what we have to say, then that's not a good sign we have a truth.

Luke 6:26​

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets"

We seek our approval from the scriptures alone, not from men of flesh, they can not support you in that day when all shall stand before God to give an account of their deeds. Btw, I want the RCC/EOC, and the many daughters that have came out of them to be against me, because the word of God is against them and so are we. We hate all of God's enemies, while seeking to love our own enemies, but only by using the truth, not by compromising God's word in any way whatsoever.
God, from the beginning of time, planned for man to be saved THROUGH JESUS.
Fran, I would word this more according to the scriptures by saying: God purpose to saved his elect, through Jesus being the surety of His elect, by using the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the only means thereof. The life of Christ, meaning by his obedience and faith that he yielded as a man unto the law of God, acting as God's elect surety, representative ~ Jesus being the elect of God for this work of redemption, (Isaiah 42) thereby Christ the head of the elect body, and God's elect children being members of Christ, and what he did, was as though they themselves did it perfectly, and this obedience yielded by Christ is the only means of our free justification by God's grace. This is the truth of the gospel in a few words. You and others can slander this truth by calling it Calvinism, but I call it the truth of the gospel of Christ, supported by God's very own testimony. Calvin and others from the Reformation period did not hold to this in the exact way that we just wrote it, only a few Baptist did mostly unknown to most ~ men like Samuel Richardson, John Gill, John Brine, and a few others mostly from the Particular Baptist group, who were not Calvinist in the strict sense of Calvinism.
BUT
God does not CHOOSE who will be saved.
Man is ABLE to seek God.
Jesus atonement is for EVERYONE.
God's grace can be resisted.
Man has Free Will.

The ABOVE is what you have to show to be incorrect.
No problem to prove this to be wrong and truly another gospel which will fall under God's curse.
God does not CHOOSE who will be saved.
Then you are going against plain scriptures.

John 15:16​

“Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.”

This scripture is clear, regardless of the abuse men have given to it in a attempt to disprove what Jesus said. This election is not speaking concerning a choice to the office of apostleship, of course they knew that without Christ even have to mention this to them. But, by nature, they would have had the thoughts that it was them that chose to believe and follow Christ, just as you are now saying, so Jesus made it clear to them that by the very fact they believe in Christ, that faith was a gift to them because God had from the beginning chose them to salvation. Jesus had earlier reminded them that their faith was given to them by God, while they confess that Jesus was the Christ while others rejected him~and were not sure who he was.

Matthew 16:17​

“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”

The reason why God reveal Jesus to some and not all is because....

2nd Thessalonians 2:13​

“But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:”

Man is ABLE to seek God.
Fran, in what way is man able? If able, then why does he need to be saved? What part of man is able? His heart is deceitful above all things, (it has even got you deceived in believing that it is not that bad) desperately wicked, even to a point that no man can know it.

Jeremiah 17:9​

“The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

Paul said this:

Romans 7:18​

“For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.”

Fran, the flesh is all the natural man has until he is born again, then he has the power to do good, things pleasing unto God, but not until then.... impossible. The things of God is foolishness unto the natural man, boring, he could think of a thousand things he rather do than to hear, read about spiritual things, his flesh hates the things of God. No man will, can seek God until God first seek man and gives him a heart that would desire the things of God.

Romans 3:11​

“There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.” Read Romans 3:10-18 and very sad commentary of man by nature.

Jesus atonement is for EVERYONE.
One of the more challenging books I have read in my life, a book, in the reading of which I found myself actually learning how to think, is John Owen’s (1616-83), The Death of Death in the Death of Christ. It has long been recognized as the most persuasive biblical and theological defense of definite atonement. The latter is the doctrine that it was only for the elect of God that Jesus suffered and died and exhausted the wrath that we deserved.

I seriously doubt if many of you will take the time and make the necessary effort to read Owen’s book, so here is a brief summation of its principal argument. Consider it it well.

The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for, either:

1. All the sins of all men, or

2. All the sins of some men, or

3. Some of the sins of all men.

In which case it may be said:

1. That if the last be true, all men have some sins to answer for, and so, none are saved.

2. That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of all the elect in the whole world, and this is the truth.

3. But if the first be the case, why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins?

You answer,“Because of unbelief.”

I ask, Is this unbelief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!

God's grace can be resisted.
The salvation of any sinner is a matter of Divine power. By nature the sinner is at enmity with God, and nothing but Divine power operating within him, can overcome this enmity; hence it is written, “No man can come unto Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him” (John 6:44).

It is the Divine power overcoming the sinner’s innate enmity which makes him willing to come to Christ that he might have life. But this “enmity” is not overcome in all—why? Is it because the enmity is too strong to be overcome? Are there some hearts so steeled against Him that Christ is unable to gain entrance? To answer in the affirmative is to DENY HIS OMNIPOTENCE. In the final analysis it is not a question of the sinner’s willingness or unwillingness, for by nature all are unwilling. Willingness to come to Christ is the finished product of Divine power operating in the human heart and will in overcoming man’s inherent and chronic “enmity,” as it is written, “Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power” (Ps. 110:3).

To say that Christ is unable to win to Himself those who are unwilling is to deny that all power in heaven and earth is His. To say that Christ cannot put forth His power without destroying man’s responsibility is a begging of the question here raised, for he has put forth His power and made willing those who have come to Him, and if He did this without destroying their responsibility, why “cannot” He do so with others? If He is able to win the heart of one sinner to Himself, why not that of another? To say, as is usually said, the others will not let him is to impeach His sufficiency. It is a question of his will. If the Lord Jesus has decreed, desired, purposed the salvation of all mankind, then the entire human race will be saved, or, otherwise, He lacks the power to make good His intentions; and in such a case it could never be said, “He shall see of the travail of His soul and be satisfied.”

The issue raised involves the deity of the Saviour, for a defeated Saviour cannot be God!

By nature, God’s elect are children of wrath even as others (Eph. 2:3), and as such their hearts are at enmity with God. But this “enmity” of theirs is overcome by the Spirit and He “compels” them to come in. Is it not clear then that the reason why others are left outside, is not only because they are unmilling to go in, but also because the Holy Spirit does not “compel” them to come in? Is it not manifest that the Holy Spirit is sovereign in the exercise of His power, and that as the wind “bloweth where it pleaseth“, so the Holy Spirit operates where he pleases?

I'll come back to finish.
 
Thank you for quoting that article. I found no mention of Acts 2:39 nor Jesus' Baptism. It's as if the writer is blind to or deliberately avoids verses that do or can include infants one way or another.

BTW, can you give me your answer on my question you quoted:

No rush. Take your time.
@synergy

Acts 2:39 is often cited in discussions about infant baptism, but an exegetical analysis of the verse demonstrates that it does not support such a practice.

Greek Text and Syntactical Analysis
Textus Receptus (TR):
ὑμῖν γάρ ἐστιν ἡ ἐπαγγελία καὶ τοῖς τέκνοις ὑμῶν καὶ πᾶσιν τοῖς εἰς μακρὰν ὅσους ἂν προσκαλέσηται Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν.

ὑμῖν γάρ ἐστιν ἡ ἐπαγγελία → "For to you is the promise"
ὑμῖν (dative plural) refers to Peter’s Jewish audience at Pentecost.
ἡ ἐπαγγελία ("the promise") refers contextually to the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:33, 2:38; cf. Luke 24:49).
καὶ τοῖς τέκνοις ὑμῶν → "and to your children"

τέκνοις (plural dative) refers to their descendants, but the text does not specify that this includes infants.

The term τέκνον (child/descendant) can denote both young and mature offspring, not necessarily infants (e.g., John 8:39, Rom 9:7).

καὶ πᾶσιν τοῖς εἰς μακρὰν → "and to all those who are far off"

The phrase τοῖς εἰς μακρὰν ("those far away") corresponds to Gentiles (cf. Eph 2:13, 2:17).

ὅσους ἂν προσκαλέσηται Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν → "as many as the Lord our God should call"

ὅσους (relative pronoun, accusative plural) specifies the recipients of the promise—only those whom God calls.

προσκαλέσηται (aorist middle subjunctive, 3rd singular from προσκαλέομαι) emphasizes God's active calling of individuals, which is always linked to faith (cf. Rom 8:30).

Exegetical Refutation of Infant Baptism
The Promise Is Given Only to Those Who Are Called by God

The phrase ὅσους ἂν προσκαλέσηται restricts the application of the promise to those whom God calls, which aligns with personal faith and repentance (Acts 2:38).
This calling is consistently associated with conscious faith (cf. Rom 8:30; 1 Cor 1:9; 2 Thess 2:14). Infants cannot exercise personal faith.
The Context Defines "Promise" as the Holy Spirit, Not Baptism


The preceding verse (Acts 2:38) links the "promise" to the Holy Spirit, given after repentance and baptism.
This cannot apply to infants, as they cannot repent.
Children (τέκνοις) Does Not Necessarily Mean Infants

The term τέκνον is often used for descendants in general (e.g., Matt 23:37; Luke 19:44).
In Acts 13:33, τέκνα refers to generations, not infants.
"Those Far Off" Includes Gentiles, Indicating a Universal Scope

Ephesians 2:13, 17 identifies οἱ μακρὰν as Gentiles who believe.
The emphasis is on individuals being called to faith, not automatic inclusion based on physical descent or age.
Faith and Repentance Precede Baptism in Acts 2

Acts 2:38 explicitly commands repentance before baptism, which excludes infants.
In every case in Acts, baptism follows belief (Acts 8:12, 10:47-48, 16:31-33).
Conclusion
Acts 2:39 does not support infant baptism because the promise is contingent upon God's calling, which is tied to faith. The term "children" refers to descendants broadly, not necessarily infants, and the inclusion of "those far off" further demonstrates that the promise is for all who believe, not an automatic application to infants.


1. Daniel B. Wallace – Greek Grammar Beyond the Basics
Wallace emphasizes the significance of the subjunctive mood in προσκαλέσηται (should call), noting that the reception of the promise is contingent upon God's calling. Since calling in the New Testament is consistently linked to personal faith (cf. Rom 8:30; 1 Cor 1:9), this undermines any notion that the verse includes infants, who cannot respond in faith.

2. F.F. Bruce – The Book of Acts (NICNT)
Bruce notes that the phrase τοῖς τέκνοις ὑμῶν ("to your children") does not automatically refer to infants but to future generations of Jewish believers. He points out that the structure of the verse places a restriction on the promise: it applies only to ὅσους ἂν προσκαλέσηται Κύριος ὁ Θεὸς ἡμῶν ("as many as the Lord our God should call"). Bruce argues that this excludes any universal application to infants apart from faith and repentance.

**3. Richard N. Longenecker – Acts (EBC, Revised Edition)
Longenecker explains that "the promise" in Acts 2:39 refers to the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:33, 38) and is thus tied to repentance and faith, not to a sacramental application to infants.

He notes that the phrase "to your children" is idiomatic for future generations rather than implying infant baptism.


**4. Eckhard J. Schnabel – Acts (ZECNT Series)
Schnabel highlights the corporate but conditional nature of the promise, which extends to multiple groups (Jews, their descendants, and Gentiles). However, he underscores that the qualifying clause "as many as the Lord our God should call" limits the recipients to those personally called by God to salvation, which presupposes faith. This excludes the idea of baptism being applied indiscriminately to infants.

**5. John Polhill – Acts (NAC Series)
Polhill acknowledges that πᾶσιν τοῖς εἰς μακρὰν ("all those far off") refers to Gentiles, drawing a connection to Ephesians 2:13, 17 where Paul describes Gentiles as "formerly far off" but brought near through faith in Christ. He argues that this phrase further demonstrates that the promise is not automatic or universal but conditional upon God's calling, reinforcing that faith is a prerequisite.

6. Everett Ferguson – Baptism in the Early Church
Ferguson provides extensive historical and linguistic evidence that baptism in Acts is always preceded by faith and repentance. He explains that Acts 2:39 follows the standard pattern of New Testament baptism, where belief precedes the act, and thus cannot be used to support infant baptism, which lacks a personal confession of faith.

7. J. B. Lightfoot – Commentary on the Acts of the Apostles
Lightfoot interprets "to your children" as a reference to descendants rather than infants specifically. He points out that Jewish audiences would have understood this as a covenantal generational statement rather than an endorsement of paedobaptism.

Conclusion from These Sources

The Greek syntax (especially the subjunctive προσκαλέσηται) makes it clear that the promise is only for those whom God calls, which is consistently linked to faith and repentance.
The term "children" (τέκνοις) refers to future generations rather than infants receiving baptism apart from faith.

The inclusion of "those far off" in the verse shows that baptism is based on an individual's response to God's calling, which contradicts any automatic application to infants.

The broader biblical pattern in Acts always ties baptism to personal belief (Acts 2:41, 8:12, 10:47-48, 16:31-33), which directly opposes the concept of infant baptism.

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Churches that practice infant baptism often hold that baptism is how a person receives the Holy Spirit. They base this belief on Peter’s words in Acts 2:38: “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

According to many paedobaptists, baptism sets the child apart and secures salvation. They also cite household baptisms in the New Testament as evidence that whole families were saved and baptized (assuming that children and babies were included), and not just adults (see Acts 11:14; 16:15, 33; 18:8; 1 Corinthians 1:16). But this assumption goes beyond what the text of the Bible says.

Neither infant baptism nor adult baptism can save a person.


We are saved by grace through faith and not by works (Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Ephesians 1:13; 2:8–9; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Philippians 3:9). It does not matter if you were baptized by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling—if you have not first trusted in Christ for salvation, baptism (no matter the method) is insufficient to save.

If Christian parents wish to dedicate their child to Christ, a baby dedication service is appropriate, but there is no biblical mandate or example of baptizing a baby. Whether an infant is dedicated or baptized or both, he or she will, at some point in the future, still have to make a personal decision to repent of sin and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation.


. Tertullian (c. 155–220 AD) – Explicitly Opposed Infant Baptism

Tertullian, often called the “Father of Latin Christianity,” was the earliest known writer to argue against infant baptism. His main concern was that baptism required conscious faith and repentance.

Quote from On Baptism (De Baptismo), Chapter 18:

"According to the circumstances and disposition, and even age, of each individual, the delay of baptism is preferable; principally, however, in the case of little children. For why is it necessary—if it is not so urgent—that the sponsors also should be thrust into danger, being themselves also bound to be faithful and understanding persons? For no less reason should the unmarried also be deferred, in whom the ground of temptation is prepared, alike in such as never were wedded, and in such as have lost their consorts; until they either marry or be confirmed in continence. They who understand the weight of baptism will rather dread its attainment than its delay." (De Baptismo 18)

Analysis:
Tertullian clearly opposed infant baptism, arguing that it should be delayed until a person is able to understand its significance.
He links baptism with faith, understanding, and moral responsibility, which infants lack.
His concern also extends to godparents (sponsors), fearing they could be burdened with the spiritual responsibility of children who may later fall away.

2. Origen (c. 184–253 AD) – Confirms That Infant Baptism Was Not Universal
Origen, while not explicitly opposing infant baptism, acknowledges that it was not apostolic but a later development.

Quote from Homilies on Leviticus 8:3 (c. 244 AD):
"The Church received from the Apostles the tradition of giving baptism even to infants." (Homilies on Leviticus 8:3)

Analysis:
While Origen supports infant baptism, his statement implies that it was a later tradition, not an apostolic command.
If it had been explicitly commanded by Christ or the Apostles, he would not need to justify it as something "received" later.
This shows that the practice was not universally accepted in the earliest church period.

3. Hippolytus (c. 170–235 AD) – Suggests Baptism Required a Confession of Faith

Hippolytus wrote extensively on church order and the process of baptism.

Quote from Apostolic Tradition 21 (c. 215 AD):
"Baptize first the children; and if they can speak for themselves, let them do so. Otherwise, let their parents or other relatives speak for them." (Apostolic Tradition 21)

Analysis:
Hippolytus permits infant baptism but still emphasizes confession of faith, suggesting that if a child can speak, they should personally affirm their faith before being baptized.
This suggests that infant baptism was not assumed as a universal rule but an exception, while personal confession was the norm.


4. Cyprian of Carthage (c. 200–258 AD) – Disagreed with Delaying Infant Baptism
Cyprian defended infant baptism, showing that the issue was controversial even in his time.

Quote from Letter to Fidus (Epistle 64:2–6, c. 253 AD):
"If even the worst sinners, after they have believed, receive the forgiveness of sins, and no one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more ought we to shrink from keeping an infant back who, being newly born, has done no sin except that, born after the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of the ancient death?" (Epistle 64:5)

Analysis:
Cyprian argues for infant baptism, but his need to justify it proves that it was not universally practiced.

If infant baptism were the apostolic practice from the beginning, there would have been no debate on this issue.

5. Gregory of Nazianzus (c. 329–390 AD) – Encourages Delayed Baptism

Gregory of Nazianzus, one of the Cappadocian Fathers, advised waiting until a person could understand baptism.

Quote from Oration 40: On Holy Baptism (c. 381 AD):

"Do you have an infant child? Let not sin thereby enter his soul; let him be sanctified from childhood. Let him be consecrated by the Spirit. But for those who can hear and understand, let them be made responsible for themselves." (Oration 40:17)

Analysis:
Gregory supports early dedication and sanctification of children, but he reserves baptism for those who can "hear and understand."
This suggests that he did not see infant baptism as necessary but rather an option.


Tertullian (c. 155–220 AD) explicitly opposed infant baptism and advised waiting until a person could make an informed decision.

Origen (c. 184–253 AD) implies that it was a later tradition, not an apostolic command.

Hippolytus (c. 170–235 AD) emphasized confession of faith before baptism, making infant baptism an exception rather than the rule.

Cyprian (c. 200–258 AD) supported it, but his need to defend it shows it was not a universal practice.

Gregory of Nazianzus (c. 329–390 AD) advised delaying baptism until a person could understand it.

These quotes demonstrate that infant baptism was not the universal practice in the early church and that opposition or skepticism toward it existed among major church figures.

I spend a lot of time on this and promised I would answer you brother-read carefully, thoughtfully, critically and analytically.

God bless.

Johann.










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Issues, Etc. Journal - Spring 1997 - Vol. 2 No. 3
Infant Baptism in Early Church History

by Dennis Kastens
From the beginning of New Testament Christianity at the Feast of Pentecost (Acts 2: 38-39) to our time, unbroken and uninterrupted; the church has baptized babies. Entire households (Jewish, proselytes and Gentiles) were baptized by Christ’s original 12 Apostles (I Corinthians 1: 16; Acts 11: 14, 16: 15, 33, 18: 8) and that practice has continued with each generation.

The Early Church
Polycarp (69-155), a disciple of the Apostle John, was baptized as an infant. This enabled him to say at his martyrdom. "Eighty and six years have I served the Lord Christ" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 9: 3).

Justin Martyr (100 - 166) of the next generation states about the year 150, "Many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples since childhood, remain pure at the age of sixty or seventy years" (Apology 1: 15). Further, in his Dialog with Trypho the Jew, Justin Martyr states that Baptism is the circumcision of the New Testament.

Irenaeus (130 - 200), some 35 years later in 185, writes in Against Heresies II 22: 4 that Jesus "came to save all through means of Himself - all, I say, who through him are born again to God - infants and children, boys and youth, and old men."

Church Councils and Apologists
Similar expressions are found in succeeding generations by Origen (185 - 254) and Cyprian (215 - 258) who reflect the consensus voiced at the Council of Carthage in 254. The 66 bishops said: "We ought not hinder any person from Baptism and the grace of God..... especially infants. . . those newly born." Preceding this council, Origen wrote in his Commentary on Romans 5: 9: "For this also it was that the church had from the Apostles a tradition to give baptism even to infants. For they to whom the divine mysteries were committed knew that there is in all persons a natural pollution of sin which must be done away by water and the Spirit."
Elsewhere Origen wrote in his Homily on Luke 14: "Infants are to be baptized for the remission of sins.

Cyprian’s reply to a country bishop, Fidus, who wrote him regarding the Baptism of infants, is even more explicit. Should we wait until the eighth day as did the Jews in circumcision? No, the child should be baptized as soon as it is born (To Fidus 1: 2).

To prevent misunderstanding by rural bishops, perhaps not as well-schooled as other or even new to the faith, the Sixteenth Council of Carthage in 418 unequivocally stated: "If any man says that newborn children need not be baptized . . . let him be anathema."

Augustine
Augustine (354 - 430), writing about this time in De Genesi Ad Literam, X: 39, declares, "The custom of our mother church in baptizing infants must not be . . . accounted needless, nor believed to be other than a tradition of the apostles."
He further states, "If you wish to be a Christian, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." And again, "Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without participation in His sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they cannot possibly be vivified in Christ."

Specific directions, with detailed instructions, for the baptizing of infants were given by bishops to pastors and deacons during this era of Christian history. In the year 517, seven bishops met in Gerona, Catelina, and framed 10 rules of discipline for the church in Spain. The fifth rule states that ". . . in case infants were ill . . . if they were offered, to baptize them, even though it were the day that they were born . . . " such was to be done (The History of Baptism by Robert Robinson, [London: Thomas Knott, 1790], p.269.).
The foregoing pattern, practiced in both East and West, remained customary in Christianity through the Dark and Middle Ages until modem times. Generally, the infant was baptized during the first week of life, but in cases of illness this took place on the day of birth. An example of this already comes from about 260 in North Africa in an inscription from Hadrumetum (Inscriptiones Latinae Christianae Veteres II, 4429-A):
Arisus in pace
natus ora sexta

bixit supra scriptas VIIII
This Latin inscription indicates that a child who died nine hours after its birth was baptized. Such practice of Baptism within the first days of life, or on the day of birth in an emergency, remained for both Protestants, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.

The Witness of the Catacombs
The witness of the literary texts of the early church fathers, councils and apologists for the practice of infant Baptism in the first Christian centuries receives valuable confirmation from the catacombs and cemeteries of the Middle East, Africa and southern Europe. Below are epitaphs from the 200’s of small children who had been baptized. It is interesting to note that there are no Christian epitaphs in existence earlier than 200. As soon as the era of Christian inscriptions begins, we find evidence for infant Baptism. [editor's note- the two referenced epitaphs are in the original document].

In that century there are attributes and symbols in tombstones inscriptions of little children which allows us to clearly infer we are dealing with baptized children. The following is as early as 200 or shortly thereafter: [editor's note- the referenced epitaph is in the original document].
In the second last line is the phrase Dei Serv(u)s which means slave of God followed by the Chi Rho symbol for Christ. The last line is the Greek ichtheos familiar as the "fish symbol" - an anagram for Jesus Christ God’s Son Savior. These words and symbols mark the one-year, two months, and four-day-old child as a baptized Christian.

From the Lateran Museum, also from the 200’s, is a Greek inscription that gives information about the religious status of the parents. It reads, "I, Zosimus, a believer from believers, lie here having lived 2 years, 1 month, 25 days."

Also from this era are headstones for children who received emergency baptism with ages ranging from 11 months to 12 years. Since the patristic sources of the third century, as those earlier, give us to understand that the children of Christian parents were baptized in infancy, we must conclude that these emergency baptisms were administered to children of non-Christians. The inscriptions themselves confirm this conclusion. In the Roman catacomb of Priscilla is reference to a private emergency baptism that was administered to the one-and-three-quarter-year-old Apronianus and enabled him to die as a believer. The inscription reads:
Dedicated to the departed.
Florentius made this inscription
for his worthy son Apronianus who
lived one year and nine months and five days.
As he was truly loved by his grandmother
and she knew that his death was imminent,
she asked the church that he might depart from the world as a believer.
The fact that it was the grandmother who urged the baptism makes it very probable that the father of the child, Florentius, was a pagan. This is confirmed by the formula in the first line which is pagan and not found on any other Christian epitaphs. We have thus in this inscription evidence for a missionary baptism administered to a dying non-Christian infant.

Sole Opponent - A Heretic
In the 1,500 years from the time of Christ to the Protestant Reformation, the only bonafide opponent to infant Baptism was Tertullian (160 - 215), bishop of Carthage, Africa. His superficial objection was to the unfair responsibility laid on godparents when the children of pagans joined the church. However, his real opposition was more fundamental. It was his view that sinfulness begins at the "puberty, of the soul," that is "about the fourteenth year of life" and "it drives man out of the paradise of innocence" (De Anima 38:2). This rules out the belief in original sin.

Tertullian’s stance, together with other unorthodox views, led him to embrace Montanism in 207. Montanism denied the total corruption and sinfulness of human nature. With its emphasis upon the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, it was the precursor to the modern Charismatic Movement.

Except for Tertullian’s heretical views, marking his departure from mainstream Christianity, the only other opposition to infant Baptism came during a brief period in the middle of the fourth century. The issue was the fear of post-Baptismal sin. This heretical view also denied Baptism to adults until their death-bed. It was not in reality a denial of infant baptism in and of itself. In fact, the heresy encouraged the Baptism of infants when death seemed imminent, as it also did for adults.

The Anabaptists
Not until the 1520s did the Christian Church experience opposition specifically to infant Baptism. Under the influence of Thomas Muenzer and other fanatics who opposed both civil and religious authority, original sin and human concupiscence was denied until the "age of accountability." Although there is no basis in Scripture for this position, a considerable number of Swiss, German and Dutch embraced the Anabaptist cause. So offensive was this position that Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Reformed alike voiced strong warning and renunciation. It was considered a shameless affront to what had been practiced in each generation since Christ’s command in the Great Commission (Matthew 28: 18-20) to baptize all nations irrespective of age.

Regeneration for All Ages
Who would be so blind as to limit this expression of God’s grace and mercy to adolescents and adults and to exclude infants and children?. If John the Baptizer could be filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother’s womb (Luke 1: 15), and if Jesus could say (Matt. 18: 6), "Whoever offends one of these little ones (Gk."toddlers") who believe in Me, it were better that he were drowned in the depth of the sea," and if the Apostle Peter could say on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2: 39), "The promise is unto you and to your children," what mere mortal dare declare so gracious an invitation to be invalid for infants, or forbid the continuance of the Baptism of infants for coming generations?
If the entire families and households of the Philippian jailer, Lydia, Cornelius, Crispus and Stephanas of the New Testament were incorporated into the household of faith through Baptism, surely that testimony is immutable and established for all time.
Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27).
Dennis Kastens
 
I bolded and color changed areas of note in this presentation.


Issues, Etc. Journal - Spring 1997 - Vol. 2 No. 3
Infant Baptism in Early Church History

by Dennis Kastens
From the beginning of New Testament Christianity at the Feast of Pentecost (Acts 2: 38-39) to our time, unbroken and uninterrupted; the church has baptized babies. Entire households (Jewish, proselytes and Gentiles) were baptized by Christ’s original 12 Apostles (I Corinthians 1: 16; Acts 11: 14, 16: 15, 33, 18: 8) and that practice has continued with each generation.
The Early Church
Polycarp (69-155), a disciple of the Apostle John, was baptized as an infant. This enabled him to say at his martyrdom. "Eighty and six years have I served the Lord Christ" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 9: 3).
Justin Martyr (100 - 166) of the next generation states about the year 150, "Many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples since childhood, remain pure at the age of sixty or seventy years" (Apology 1: 15). Further, in his Dialog with Trypho the Jew, Justin Martyr states that Baptism is the circumcision of the New Testament.
Irenaeus (130 - 200), some 35 years later in 185, writes in Against Heresies II 22: 4 that Jesus "came to save all through means of Himself - all, I say, who through him are born again to God - infants and children, boys and youth, and old men."
Church Councils and Apologists
Similar expressions are found in succeeding generations by Origen (185 - 254) and Cyprian (215 - 258) who reflect the consensus voiced at the Council of Carthage in 254. The 66 bishops said: "We ought not hinder any person from Baptism and the grace of God..... especially infants. . . those newly born.
" Preceding this council,
Origen wrote in his Commentary on Romans 5: 9: "For this also it was that the church had from the Apostles a tradition to give baptism even to infants. For they to whom the divine mysteries were committed knew that there is in all persons a natural pollution of sin which must be done away by water and the Spirit."
Elsewhere Origen wrote in his Homily on Luke 14: "Infants are to be baptized for the remission of sins.
Cyprian’s reply to a country bishop, Fidus, who wrote him regarding the Baptism of infants, is even more explicit. Should we wait until the eighth day as did the Jews in circumcision? No, the child should be baptized as soon as it is born (To Fidus 1: 2).
To prevent misunderstanding by rural bishops, perhaps not as well-schooled as other or even new to the faith, the Sixteenth Council of Carthage in 418 unequivocally stated: "If any man says that newborn children need not be baptized . . . let him be anathema."

Augustine
Augustine (354 - 430), writing about this time in De Genesi Ad Literam, X: 39, declares, "The custom of our mother church in baptizing infants must not be . . . accounted needless, nor believed to be other than a tradition of the apostles."
He further states, "If you wish to be a Christian, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." And again, "Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without participation in His sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they cannot possibly be vivified in Christ."

Specific directions, with detailed instructions, for the baptizing of infants were given by bishops to pastors and deacons during this era of Christian history. In the year 517, seven bishops met in Gerona, Catelina, and framed 10 rules of discipline for the church in Spain. The fifth rule states that ". . . in case infants were ill . . . if they were offered, to baptize them, even though it were the day that they were born . . . " such was to be done (The History of Baptism by Robert Robinson, [London: Thomas Knott, 1790], p.269.).
The foregoing pattern, practiced in both East and West, remained customary in Christianity through the Dark and Middle Ages until modem times. Generally, the infant was baptized during the first week of life, but in cases of illness this took place on the day of birth. An example of this already comes from about 260 in North Africa in an inscription from Hadrumetum (Inscriptiones Latinae Christianae Veteres II, 4429-A):

Arisus in pace
natus ora sexta

bixit supra scriptas VIIII
This Latin inscription indicates that a child who died nine hours after its birth was baptized. Such practice of Baptism within the first days of life, or on the day of birth in an emergency, remained for both Protestants, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.
The Witness of the Catacombs
The witness of the literary texts of the early church fathers, councils and apologists for the practice of infant Baptism in the first Christian centuries receives valuable confirmation from the catacombs and cemeteries of the Middle East, Africa and southern Europe. Below are epitaphs from the 200’s of small children who had been baptized. It is interesting to note that there are no Christian epitaphs in existence earlier than 200. As soon as the era of Christian inscriptions begins, we find evidence for infant Baptism.
[editor's note- the two referenced epitaphs are in the original document].
In that century there are attributes and symbols in tombstones inscriptions of little children which allows us to clearly infer we are dealing with baptized children. The following is as early as 200 or shortly thereafter: [editor's note- the referenced epitaph is in the original document].
In the second last line is the phrase Dei Serv(u)s which means slave of God followed by the Chi Rho symbol for Christ. The last line is the Greek ichtheos familiar as the "fish symbol" - an anagram for Jesus Christ God’s Son Savior. These words and symbols mark the one-year, two months, and four-day-old child as a baptized Christian.
From the Lateran Museum, also from the 200’s, is a Greek inscription that gives information about the religious status of the parents. It reads, "I, Zosimus, a believer from believers, lie here having lived 2 years, 1 month, 25 days."

Also from this era are headstones for children who received emergency baptism with ages ranging from 11 months to 12 years. Since the patristic sources of the third century, as those earlier, give us to understand that the children of Christian parents were baptized in infancy, we must conclude that these emergency baptisms were administered to children of non-Christians. The inscriptions themselves confirm this conclusion. In the Roman catacomb of Priscilla is reference to a private emergency baptism that was administered to the one-and-three-quarter-year-old Apronianus and enabled him to die as a believer. The inscription reads:

Dedicated to the departed.
Florentius made this inscription
for his worthy son Apronianus who
lived one year and nine months and five days.
As he was truly loved by his grandmother
and she knew that his death was imminent,
she asked the church that he might depart from the world as a believer.
The fact that it was the grandmother who urged the baptism makes it very probable that the father of the child, Florentius, was a pagan. This is confirmed by the formula in the first line which is pagan and not found on any other Christian epitaphs. We have thus in this inscription evidence for a missionary baptism administered to a dying non-Christian infant.
Sole Opponent - A Heretic

In the 1,500 years from the time of Christ to the Protestant Reformation, the only bonafide opponent to infant Baptism was Tertullian (160 - 215), bishop of Carthage, Africa. His superficial objection was to the unfair responsibility laid on godparents when the children of pagans joined the church. However, his real opposition was more fundamental. It was his view that sinfulness begins at the "puberty, of the soul," that is "about the fourteenth year of life" and "it drives man out of the paradise of innocence" (De Anima 38:2). This rules out the belief in original sin.
Tertullian’s stance, together with other unorthodox views, led him to embrace Montanism in 207. Montanism denied the total corruption and sinfulness of human nature. With its emphasis upon the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, it was the precursor to the modern Charismatic Movement.
Except for Tertullian’s heretical views, marking his departure from mainstream Christianity, the only other opposition to infant Baptism came during a brief period in the middle of the fourth century. The issue was the fear of post-Baptismal sin. This heretical view also denied Baptism to adults until their death-bed. It was not in reality a denial of infant baptism in and of itself. In fact, the heresy encouraged the Baptism of infants when death seemed imminent, as it also did for adults.
The Anabaptists
Not until the 1520s did the Christian Church experience opposition specifically to infant Baptism.
Under the influence of Thomas Muenzer and other fanatics who opposed both civil and religious authority, original sin and human concupiscence was denied until the "age of accountability." Although there is no basis in Scripture for this position, a considerable number of Swiss, German and Dutch embraced the Anabaptist cause. So offensive was this position that Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Reformed alike voiced strong warning and renunciation. It was considered a shameless affront to what had been practiced in each generation since Christ’s command in the Great Commission (Matthew 28: 18-20) to baptize all nations irrespective of age.
Regeneration for All Ages
Who would be so blind as to limit this expression of God’s grace and mercy to adolescents and adults and to exclude infants and children?. If John the Baptizer could be filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother’s womb (Luke 1: 15), and if Jesus could say (Matt. 18: 6), "Whoever offends one of these little ones (Gk."toddlers") who believe in Me, it were better that he were drowned in the depth of the sea," and if the Apostle Peter could say on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2: 39), "The promise is unto you and to your children," what mere mortal dare declare so gracious an invitation to be invalid for infants, or forbid the continuance of the Baptism of infants for coming generations?

If the entire families and households of the Philippian jailer, Lydia, Cornelius, Crispus and Stephanas of the New Testament were incorporated into the household of faith through Baptism, surely that testimony is immutable and established for all time.
Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27).

Dennis Kastens
 
Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27).
Question to you @MTMattie.

How can an infant/baby put on Christ? Galatians 3.27

Rebuttal to Dennis Kastens' 'Infant Baptism in Early Church History'

1. Scriptural Analysis: Does the New Testament Teach Infant Baptism?
Kastens' assertion that infant baptism has been practiced "unbroken and uninterrupted" since Pentecost is without clear biblical warrant. The New Testament never explicitly mentions infant baptism. The verses cited (Acts 2:38-39; Acts 16:15, 33; 1 Corinthians 1:16) speak of household baptisms but do not specify the presence of infants. Given that baptism is consistently linked with personal repentance and faith (Mark 16:16; Acts 8:12; Romans 6:3-4), the argument that infants were baptized remains speculative.

Acts 2:38-39 states, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children…" However, Peter is not mandating infant baptism; rather, the condition remains repentance, which infants cannot perform. "Children" (Greek: teknois) refers to descendants and does not denote infants specifically.

The so-called "household baptisms" (Acts 16:15, 33; 1 Corinthians 1:16) also fail to prove infant baptism. The Philippian jailer’s household (Acts 16:32) received the "word of the Lord," implying comprehension and belief—something infants cannot do. Similarly, Crispus' household (Acts 18:8) is explicitly said to have "believed in the Lord." Thus, household baptisms in the New Testament involve faith, which contradicts paedobaptist theology.

2. Church History: Were the Earliest Christians Practicing Infant Baptism?
Kastens cites early church fathers such as Polycarp, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Origen, and Cyprian to support infant baptism. However, the evidence is not as conclusive as he suggests.

Polycarp (69-155) – Kastens claims Polycarp was baptized as an infant because he said, "Eighty and six years have I served Christ" at his martyrdom. This assumes that his service began at birth rather than upon conversion, which cannot be proven.

Justin Martyr (100-166) – Justin mentions individuals who have been believers "from childhood," but he does not say they were baptized as infants. The phrase can easily refer to early childhood conversion.

Irenaeus (130-200) – Kastens cites Irenaeus’ statement in Against Heresies (2.22.4) that Jesus "came to save all, infants and children included." However, Irenaeus does not mention baptism, let alone infant baptism, in this passage. His statement reflects Christ’s universal ability to save, not a sacramental argument.

Origen (185-254) and Cyprian (215-258) – Origen is the first to explicitly claim that infant baptism was an apostolic tradition (Commentary on Romans 5:9), yet this is his own interpretation rather than an apostolic statement. Cyprian later endorsed it at the Council of Carthage (254), but neither proves that it was universally practiced from the beginning.

Thus, the earliest direct mentions of infant baptism emerge in the third century, making it a post-apostolic development rather than an apostolic mandate.

3. Theological Concerns: Regeneration and Original Sin
Kastens argues that baptism is necessary for salvation and removes original sin, citing Augustine (354-430) as a major proponent. However, Augustine’s view was shaped by his strong stance on original sin and differs significantly from the soteriology of the apostolic church.

The New Testament consistently teaches that salvation comes through faith, not sacramental acts (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 10:9-10). Baptism is an outward sign of an inward faith, not a regenerative act (Romans 6:3-4; Colossians 2:12). While the doctrine of original sin is biblically grounded (Psalm 51:5; Romans 5:12), the idea that baptism automatically removes it without personal faith contradicts Jesus’ teaching that one must be "born again" (John 3:3-5) by faith.

Moreover, even early Christians debated this issue. Tertullian (160-215) objected to infant baptism, stating, "Let them come when they are able to understand…when they have learned the faith" (On Baptism, ch. 18). While Kastens dismisses Tertullian as a "heretic," his objection demonstrates that paedobaptism was not a universal practice.

4. The Reformation and the Anabaptist Movement
Kastens argues that opposition to infant baptism did not arise until the 1520s with the Anabaptists. This is misleading. Groups rejecting infant baptism existed long before the Reformation, including the Waldensians (12th century) and Petrobrusians (11th century). The Anabaptists revived this biblical doctrine, opposing not only Roman Catholic infant baptism but also the state church’s coercive practices.

The Protestant Reformation itself brought differing views on baptism. While Luther and Calvin retained infant baptism, others—such as the Swiss Brethren—restored believer’s baptism as the biblical model. Their doctrine aligned more closely with the New Testament pattern of faith preceding baptism (Acts 8:36-38; Acts 18:8).

5. Conclusion: Is Infant Baptism Biblical?
The historical and biblical evidence presented by Kastens is insufficient to prove that infant baptism was a universal apostolic practice. The New Testament never commands it, early church references are ambiguous at best, and theologians have debated its validity for centuries. Baptism, as consistently taught in Scripture, is for those who have personally repented and believed in Jesus Christ. The practice of baptizing infants appears to be a later development influenced by theological concerns rather than direct apostolic instruction.

Therefore, the scriptural model remains credo-baptism—baptism upon confession of faith. The burden of proof lies on those who claim otherwise, and Kastens' article fails to establish infant baptism as either commanded or consistently practiced in the earliest church.


J.
 
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Issues, Etc. Journal - Spring 1997 - Vol. 2 No. 3
Infant Baptism in Early Church History

by Dennis Kastens
From the beginning of New Testament Christianity at the Feast of Pentecost (Acts 2: 38-39) to our time, unbroken and uninterrupted; the church has baptized babies. Entire households (Jewish, proselytes and Gentiles) were baptized by Christ’s original 12 Apostles (I Corinthians 1: 16; Acts 11: 14, 16: 15, 33, 18: 8) and that practice has continued with each generation.

The Early Church
Polycarp (69-155), a disciple of the Apostle John, was baptized as an infant. This enabled him to say at his martyrdom. "Eighty and six years have I served the Lord Christ" (Martyrdom of Polycarp 9: 3).

Justin Martyr (100 - 166) of the next generation states about the year 150, "Many, both men and women, who have been Christ’s disciples since childhood, remain pure at the age of sixty or seventy years" (Apology 1: 15). Further, in his Dialog with Trypho the Jew, Justin Martyr states that Baptism is the circumcision of the New Testament.

Irenaeus (130 - 200), some 35 years later in 185, writes in Against Heresies II 22: 4 that Jesus "came to save all through means of Himself - all, I say, who through him are born again to God - infants and children, boys and youth, and old men."

Church Councils and Apologists
Similar expressions are found in succeeding generations by Origen (185 - 254) and Cyprian (215 - 258) who reflect the consensus voiced at the Council of Carthage in 254. The 66 bishops said: "We ought not hinder any person from Baptism and the grace of God..... especially infants. . . those newly born." Preceding this council, Origen wrote in his Commentary on Romans 5: 9: "For this also it was that the church had from the Apostles a tradition to give baptism even to infants. For they to whom the divine mysteries were committed knew that there is in all persons a natural pollution of sin which must be done away by water and the Spirit."
Elsewhere Origen wrote in his Homily on Luke 14: "Infants are to be baptized for the remission of sins.

Cyprian’s reply to a country bishop, Fidus, who wrote him regarding the Baptism of infants, is even more explicit. Should we wait until the eighth day as did the Jews in circumcision? No, the child should be baptized as soon as it is born (To Fidus 1: 2).

To prevent misunderstanding by rural bishops, perhaps not as well-schooled as other or even new to the faith, the Sixteenth Council of Carthage in 418 unequivocally stated: "If any man says that newborn children need not be baptized . . . let him be anathema."

Augustine
Augustine (354 - 430), writing about this time in De Genesi Ad Literam, X: 39, declares, "The custom of our mother church in baptizing infants must not be . . . accounted needless, nor believed to be other than a tradition of the apostles."
He further states, "If you wish to be a Christian, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." And again, "Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without participation in His sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they cannot possibly be vivified in Christ."

Specific directions, with detailed instructions, for the baptizing of infants were given by bishops to pastors and deacons during this era of Christian history. In the year 517, seven bishops met in Gerona, Catelina, and framed 10 rules of discipline for the church in Spain. The fifth rule states that ". . . in case infants were ill . . . if they were offered, to baptize them, even though it were the day that they were born . . . " such was to be done (The History of Baptism by Robert Robinson, [London: Thomas Knott, 1790], p.269.).
The foregoing pattern, practiced in both East and West, remained customary in Christianity through the Dark and Middle Ages until modem times. Generally, the infant was baptized during the first week of life, but in cases of illness this took place on the day of birth. An example of this already comes from about 260 in North Africa in an inscription from Hadrumetum (Inscriptiones Latinae Christianae Veteres II, 4429-A):
Arisus in pace
natus ora sexta

bixit supra scriptas VIIII
This Latin inscription indicates that a child who died nine hours after its birth was baptized. Such practice of Baptism within the first days of life, or on the day of birth in an emergency, remained for both Protestants, Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox.

The Witness of the Catacombs
The witness of the literary texts of the early church fathers, councils and apologists for the practice of infant Baptism in the first Christian centuries receives valuable confirmation from the catacombs and cemeteries of the Middle East, Africa and southern Europe. Below are epitaphs from the 200’s of small children who had been baptized. It is interesting to note that there are no Christian epitaphs in existence earlier than 200. As soon as the era of Christian inscriptions begins, we find evidence for infant Baptism. [editor's note- the two referenced epitaphs are in the original document].

In that century there are attributes and symbols in tombstones inscriptions of little children which allows us to clearly infer we are dealing with baptized children. The following is as early as 200 or shortly thereafter: [editor's note- the referenced epitaph is in the original document].
In the second last line is the phrase Dei Serv(u)s which means slave of God followed by the Chi Rho symbol for Christ. The last line is the Greek ichtheos familiar as the "fish symbol" - an anagram for Jesus Christ God’s Son Savior. These words and symbols mark the one-year, two months, and four-day-old child as a baptized Christian.

From the Lateran Museum, also from the 200’s, is a Greek inscription that gives information about the religious status of the parents. It reads, "I, Zosimus, a believer from believers, lie here having lived 2 years, 1 month, 25 days."

Also from this era are headstones for children who received emergency baptism with ages ranging from 11 months to 12 years. Since the patristic sources of the third century, as those earlier, give us to understand that the children of Christian parents were baptized in infancy, we must conclude that these emergency baptisms were administered to children of non-Christians. The inscriptions themselves confirm this conclusion. In the Roman catacomb of Priscilla is reference to a private emergency baptism that was administered to the one-and-three-quarter-year-old Apronianus and enabled him to die as a believer. The inscription reads:
Dedicated to the departed.
Florentius made this inscription
for his worthy son Apronianus who
lived one year and nine months and five days.
As he was truly loved by his grandmother
and she knew that his death was imminent,
she asked the church that he might depart from the world as a believer.
The fact that it was the grandmother who urged the baptism makes it very probable that the father of the child, Florentius, was a pagan. This is confirmed by the formula in the first line which is pagan and not found on any other Christian epitaphs. We have thus in this inscription evidence for a missionary baptism administered to a dying non-Christian infant.

Sole Opponent - A Heretic
In the 1,500 years from the time of Christ to the Protestant Reformation, the only bonafide opponent to infant Baptism was Tertullian (160 - 215), bishop of Carthage, Africa. His superficial objection was to the unfair responsibility laid on godparents when the children of pagans joined the church. However, his real opposition was more fundamental. It was his view that sinfulness begins at the "puberty, of the soul," that is "about the fourteenth year of life" and "it drives man out of the paradise of innocence" (De Anima 38:2). This rules out the belief in original sin.

Tertullian’s stance, together with other unorthodox views, led him to embrace Montanism in 207. Montanism denied the total corruption and sinfulness of human nature. With its emphasis upon the supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit, it was the precursor to the modern Charismatic Movement.

Except for Tertullian’s heretical views, marking his departure from mainstream Christianity, the only other opposition to infant Baptism came during a brief period in the middle of the fourth century. The issue was the fear of post-Baptismal sin. This heretical view also denied Baptism to adults until their death-bed. It was not in reality a denial of infant baptism in and of itself. In fact, the heresy encouraged the Baptism of infants when death seemed imminent, as it also did for adults.

The Anabaptists
Not until the 1520s did the Christian Church experience opposition specifically to infant Baptism. Under the influence of Thomas Muenzer and other fanatics who opposed both civil and religious authority, original sin and human concupiscence was denied until the "age of accountability." Although there is no basis in Scripture for this position, a considerable number of Swiss, German and Dutch embraced the Anabaptist cause. So offensive was this position that Roman Catholics, Lutherans and Reformed alike voiced strong warning and renunciation. It was considered a shameless affront to what had been practiced in each generation since Christ’s command in the Great Commission (Matthew 28: 18-20) to baptize all nations irrespective of age.

Regeneration for All Ages
Who would be so blind as to limit this expression of God’s grace and mercy to adolescents and adults and to exclude infants and children?. If John the Baptizer could be filled with the Holy Spirit from his mother’s womb (Luke 1: 15), and if Jesus could say (Matt. 18: 6), "Whoever offends one of these little ones (Gk."toddlers") who believe in Me, it were better that he were drowned in the depth of the sea," and if the Apostle Peter could say on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2: 39), "The promise is unto you and to your children," what mere mortal dare declare so gracious an invitation to be invalid for infants, or forbid the continuance of the Baptism of infants for coming generations?
If the entire families and households of the Philippian jailer, Lydia, Cornelius, Crispus and Stephanas of the New Testament were incorporated into the household of faith through Baptism, surely that testimony is immutable and established for all time.
Yes, we baptize babies. Unmistakably Scriptural proof substantiates that doctrine. Christian history, unbroken and uninterrupted. reflects such practice in each generation. Conscientious Christians do not delay but hasten with their children to Baptism that they may received the gift of salvation and regeneration and gratefully embrace the Apostle’s affirmation extended to those of all age groups: "For as many of you as have been baptized have put on Christ" (Galatians 3: 27).
Dennis Kastens
The Anabaptists in our midst might spit on the Church Fathers (I don't care) but they cannot deny objective evidence like the Catacombs evidence mentioned in your article. That's a slam dunk for infant baptism. Thanks for forwarding that article.
 
The Anabaptists in our midst might spit on the Church Fathers (I don't care) but they cannot deny objective evidence like the Catacombs evidence mentioned in your article. That's a slam dunk for infant baptism. Thanks for forwarding that article.
Post apostolic, not apostolic and Dennis already been refuted @synergy.

J.
 
Question to you @MTMattie.

How can an infant/baby put on Christ? Galatians 3.27

J.
@Johann

You will have to ask the men of ancient times that question.

We women are just suppose to do as "Our Husbands" tell us. So we have to resort to research. Especially if we have/had no husband.

I merely highlighted those points that the MEN said . Those ancient historians... all except Tertullian who was the seeming outlier.

Polycarp,
Justin Martyr
Irenaeus

Origen,
Cyprian
Augustin

Sixteenth Council of Carthage in 418

Augustin, who said...Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without participation in His sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole church which hastens to baptize infants,

The year 517, when seven bishops met in Gerona, Catelina,

Not until the 1520s did the Christian Church experience opposition specifically to infant Baptism.
So, maybe you can find someone who can use their Way Back machine back to those days and ask them.

I simply dont care enough to look into it. Not when I read about Tertulian's opposition AND Except for Tertullian’s heretical views, marking his departure from mainstream Christianity, the only other opposition to infant Baptism came during a brief period in the middle of the fourth century. The issue was the fear of post-Baptismal sin. This heretical view also denied Baptism to adults until their death-bed. It was not in reality a denial of infant baptism in and of itself. In fact, the heresy encouraged the Baptism of infants when death seemed imminent, as it also did for adults.
 
You will have to ask the men of ancient times that question.
Right, you don't have an answer but maybe you can find writings on ancient Judaism and the practice of Mikvah?

So my question stands-How can an infant/baby "put on" Christ Jesus?

Even Got Questions have this right.


The Bible is silent on infant baptism, or paedobaptism (also spelled pedobaptism). There is no record of a baby being baptized in the New Testament. Nevertheless, infant baptism has been practiced by many Christian churches throughout history and as early as the second century.

By Augustine’s time (AD 354—430), infant baptism was accepted as a standard procedure in Christianity. Today, Roman Catholics, most Orthodox churches, Lutherans, Anglicans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Reformed traditions, and Methodists practice infant baptism.

However, during the Protestant Reformation, infant baptism came under examination. Many Protestant groups, particularly the Anabaptists, challenged the idea of infant baptism, believing that baptism should be reserved for those who first make a profession of faith in Jesus Christ. This view is known as believer’s baptism, or “credobaptism.”

Jesus was baptized by John (Matthew 3:13–17; Luke 3:21) and taught His disciples to baptize those who repented of their sins, believed in Him, and received salvation in His name (Acts 2:4, 38; 9:17–18; Matthew 28:19). Those who hold to believer’s baptism see it as an important initial act of obedience that a person makes after accepting Jesus as Lord—baptism is a public testimony of faith. And baptism by immersion clearly shows one’s identification with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection (see Acts 2:38–41; 16:29–34; and Romans 6:3–4). Pouring or sprinkling, the method used in infant baptism, fails to illustrate the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Those who oppose infant baptism stand on the New Testament’s repeated emphasis on repentance and faith in Jesus Christ. An infant cannot repent and place his or her faith in Christ. A newborn cannot understand the gospel and consciously decide to obey and submit to Jesus. Babies are oblivious to the spiritual significance of water baptism. Credobaptists insist that baptism, being an act that follows salvation, should only be performed on those who have chosen to believe in and follow Christ.

Since the original word translated as “baptize” means “to dip or immerse in water,” believer’s baptism is usually done by total immersion. Infant baptism typically involves sprinkling with water or pouring water over the forehead. Thus, it’s a stretch to say the definition of baptism covers the methodology employed in infant baptism.

Many Christian traditions that support infant baptism do so because they understand baptism to be the New Covenant equivalent of circumcision. Just as circumcision joined Old Testament Hebrews to the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants, baptism is believed to join a person to the New Covenant of salvation through Jesus Christ. This view is based on the apostle Paul’s statement in Colossians 2:11–12: “When you came to Christ, you were ‘circumcised,’ but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision—the cutting away of your sinful nature. For you were buried with Christ when you were baptized. And with him you were raised to new life because you trusted the mighty power of God, who raised Christ from the dead” (NLT).

GotQuestion’s view of this passage is that Paul is not replacing the Old Testament rite of circumcision with the New Testament ordinance of baptism; rather, he uses both circumcision and baptism as analogies of spiritual truth. The fact that circumcision does not equate with baptism is shown in Paul’s teaching that Christians have been both circumcised and baptized. The circumcision is, of course, spiritual, “made without hands” (Colossians 2:11, ESV). And, again, being joined to the New Covenant requires a volitional act of faith—something infants are incapable of doing. Faith in Jesus Christ, and not works such as baptism (or circumcision), enables one to enjoy the blessings of the New Covenant (1 Corinthians 11:25; 2 Corinthians 3:6; Hebrews 9:15).

Churches that practice infant baptism often hold that baptism is how a person receives the Holy Spirit. They base this belief on Peter’s words in Acts 2:38: “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”

According to many paedobaptists, baptism sets the child apart and secures salvation. They also cite household baptisms in the New Testament as evidence that whole families were saved and baptized (assuming that children and babies were included), and not just adults (see Acts 11:14; 16:15, 33; 18:8; 1 Corinthians 1:16). But this assumption goes beyond what the text of the Bible says.

Neither infant baptism nor adult baptism can save a person.

We are saved by grace through faith and not by works (Romans 3:28; 4:5; 5:1; Ephesians 1:13; 2:8–9; Galatians 2:16; 3:24; Philippians 3:9). It does not matter if you were baptized by immersion, pouring, or sprinkling—if you have not first trusted in Christ for salvation, baptism (no matter the method) is insufficient to save.

If Christian parents wish to dedicate their child to Christ, a baby dedication service is appropriate, but there is no biblical mandate or example of baptizing a baby. Whether an infant is dedicated or baptized or both, he or she will, at some point in the future, still have to make a personal decision to repent of sin and trust in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Yom tov Achot.

J.
 
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