An Article on free will

Your words have meaning and gobblygook is the meaning of your words. The scriptures are great you post but you have no clue what they really mean much like the pharisees which Jesus rebuked on many occasions.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Fatalism is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

hope this helps !!!

Your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation (recorded in post #2,495 of this thread) results in you, dead in sin, free-will choose to believe in Good Jesus causing yourself to be born again, yet no dead man causes himself to be born into a living man. The Truth (John 14:6) about us Christians is that our loving Christ says to each and every one of us that you believe in Him whom He has sent is the work of God (John 6:29).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE OUR CHRISTIAN'S LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!
 
no God is the potter and the Jews/Israel is the clay.

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I understand you. You exclude yourself from being grafted into Israel thus self-willed driving yourself away from being among us Christians.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE OUR CHRISTIAN'S LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!
 
I understand you. You exclude yourself from being grafted into Israel thus self-willed driving yourself away from being among us Christians.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE OUR CHRISTIAN'S LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!
no grafting in not the clay. you are mixing metaphors.

nice try. :)
 
Hey BR....
Going out for coffee with, we Itals like to do this!
Will be back.
Sister Fran, that's wonderful, I love my coffee as well, but have always prepared my own for the most part, since I had a professional Bun coffee maker that I kept in my office when I had my own business, but retired two years ago and sold the building, and the house that went with it, or the business that went with house. Now I just used a regular Mr. Coffee maker, using DD coffee and real cream which is part of what is good coffee at least to me.
 
#1

Listen, MTMattie, about the treasure that is the Word of God.

"He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48)

"everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and [yet] it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock" (Matthew 7:24-25).

"Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven [will enter]. Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'" (Matthew 7:21-23)

"Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell - and great was its fall" (Matthew 7:26-27).

#2

Interestingly, you mention me as shown below.

You vehemently believe that you are not a friend of Jesus thus making yourself an enemy of Jesus because your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me" (proof post #6,395) thus you self-willingly (2 Peter 2:9-10) exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I reject your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me".

You can see you mentioned me in the quote from you above, and now in your post quoted above you hypocritically wrote accusatorily "Do you know how your choices will affect others".

You used 1 Corinthians 10 to be a hypocrite.

"woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in." (Matthew 23:13).

#3

1 Corinthians 10 says nothing about free-will.

#4

As with Free-willian Philosophy standard operating procedure, you focus on empty human choice instead of God’s precious choice.

#5

Here is a powerful description of God, "it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:13), so God controls my will.

#6

@synergy this post is equally to you because of your heartfelt agreement (your "Like") with MTMattie.

#7

Your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) is that God is not who the Word of God says that God is, and the Word of God says God is Sovereign with "no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him" (Matthew 11:27), so your heart rejects" Lord Jesus Christ and your heart "does not receive" Christ's "sayings", so see John 12:48 for the consequence.

#8

The Word of God issues these wonderful blessings to all believers in all time:
  • "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19, the same passage).
  • "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
  • "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.
And I am forevermore thankful to Lord Jesus Christ!

The only way for you free-willian philosophers to acheive your free-will is for you to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE MY DELIVERER!!!
THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU DEAR LORD GOD. OUR FATHER WHO INSTRUCTS WITH SUCH UNDERSTANDABLE TRANSLATIONS IN YOUR HOLY WORD.

Please Heavenly Father help those who only see what they want to see, even with other posters posting what one has said but get jumped over to jumped on one with a copy and paste that if I thought you were using some of your great humor could well believe that a little AI is at work here.

And Heavenly Father thank you, thank you thank you for your gift of ignore. You are wondrously wise to let your servant know when it is time for a time out.

Amen
 
I understand you. You exclude yourself from being grafted into Israel thus self-willed driving yourself away from being among us Christians.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE OUR CHRISTIAN'S LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!
I'm grafted, I'm not a Jew. Hence the Potter/Clay is not the same as being grafted into the vine.

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Sister Fran, that's wonderful, I love my coffee as well, but have always prepared my own for the most part, since I had a professional Bun coffee maker that I kept in my office when I had my own business, but retired two years ago and sold the building, and the house that went with it, or the business that went with house. Now I just used a regular Mr. Coffee maker, using DD coffee and real cream which is part of what is good coffee at least to me.
Not to change the topic....
but I love cappuccio and you need a really good coffee maker to get it like at the bar....
3 to 5 thou.
Cheaper to go to the bar (cafe') and it gets you out of the house.
You sound like a coffee man.
(y)
 
Not to change the topic....
but I love cappuccio and you need a really good coffee maker to get it like at the bar....
3 to 5 thou.
Cheaper to go to the bar (cafe') and it gets you out of the house.
You sound like a coffee man.
(y)
I roast my own coffee. :)
 

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Good morning sister,

Yes, he is speaking to his apostles, just as he was speaking to Peter here:

Matthew 16:17​

“And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.”

What was said to Peter is true concerning us ~ likewise, what the Lord said to his apostles in John 15:16 is true of us. We (nor the apostles) did not have anything to chose Christ to, his statement is a redundant statement, if took in the sense in which many desire for us to take it to escape its true meaning, since many reject unconditional election by God grace.
I'm sorry RB.
I don't accept reformed/calvinist theology.
I believe it causes many conflicts within scripture, and excuse me for saying this, not meant to be mean as some take it...
reformed theology just makes no common sense and God is a logical God that wishes us to understand Him.
For instance...God decreed our every move....but somehow we're still responsible for our sins.

Our Father in heaven must reveal everything to us via the Holy Spirit.
Jesus said it would be good for Him to go away to the paraclete could come.
For instance...many accept the Trinity but they don't really understand it.
Some really understand it....this was given by the Holy Spirit ...we just will not, each of us, understand everything the same way.

Flesh and blood cannot explain much to us...but only the Holy Spirit can.
1 Corinthians 2:14
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot * understand them,
because they are spiritually appraised.
Thank you for asking. "It means to disposed; appointed; arranged; set in order; fixed; decreed, establish, etc. "
Your defining ORDAIN above.
This is what I get:


ORDAIN
make (someone) a priest or minister; confer holy orders on.
"he was ordained a minister before entering Parliament"

order (something) officially.
"equal punishment was ordained for the two crimes"



I'd have to agree with the above definition because it follows with
Matthew 28:19 the Great Commission.

Jesus sent the Apostles out...not all of His disciples.
Although we are all to witness and teach and baptize....
He gave special authority to the 12 to go out into the world to start His church.

We are not all priests/ministers....only those that hold this position. (as the Apostles did).
Yes he did.

Acts 13:48​

“And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”

As many as were ordained to eternal life believed and glorified the Word of the Lord. They rejoiced to hear the news that God intended His message for them also. With gladness they thanked and praised God for an interest in Jesus Christ. It is vey clear belief of the gospel was and is dependent upon ordination to eternal life. Ordination precedes regeneration, which must precede conversion. There is also an ordination to condemnation of the wicked (Jude 4). As a side note that goes with this message ~ Paul did not bring eternal life, but rather preached the gracious means of it. He brought salvation TO LIGHT and the WORD OF it (2nd Timothy 1:10; 2nd Corinthians 5:19). The preaching of Christ manifests either existing life or death (II Cor 2:14-17).
Jesus brought salvation to light.
Agreed.

But how does this help those that God did NOT choose?
Why the necessity for any light if God is going to do the choosing?
Why is the gospel even necessary?
This is what I mean about reformed theology not making logical sense.

You did make a statement that is not found anywhere in scripture:
Regeneration must precede conversion.

Where is this stated?
A regenerated person is a changed person which would be a saved person.
So it's like saying that a person has to be born again (regenerated) in order to be born again.

Which verse do you believe teaches that a person must be regenerated FIRST?
 
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