An Article on free will

[Kermos]

"I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you

YOU do not know everything they were told. ergo. you are not his friend .

He is, however, my brother.

Christians that follow Jesus’ teachings, even after his death, are still servants to the Master and are his spiritual brothers and sisters; we have been adopted into the family of God and will also help rule with our King forever.
Adoption is God’s remedy for a specific situation. It actually meets our need for a new family, and its justification meets our need for a new legal status. The Bible teaches that, because of sin, we have all been children of the devil. But by faith, Jesus gives us authority to become sons and daughters of God. Through Jesus, God allows us to become his people by adoption. It is an honor to call Jesus our brother and share the blessings that the Father gives to his son.7

We have no need to add to the Holy Scriptures, but you often leave part off such as the rest of Mark 13:37 "Be on the alert!" which is understandable so you can twist the meaning for your needs. SAD

There you go again, interpreting Holy Scripture according to your free-will power instead of the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24). This post is continued from post #6,420. We Christians believe Lord Jesus Christ makes our Father known to us Christians, so we are His friends, just as my Savior Jesus says "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I thank Lord Jesus for choosing me to be His friend because I am weak but He is strong!

You have made it very clear with your amplification of "John 15:16 WAS NEVER MEANT FOR ALL PEOPLE" that you deny being a friend of Lord Jesus because you self-willingly exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16) as recorded in post #6,407.

Your denial of being Christ's friend means that you are Christ's enemy.

You vehemently believe that you are not a friend of Jesus thus making yourself an enemy of Jesus because your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me" (proof post #6,395) thus you self-willingly exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I reject your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me".

The Word of God issues these wonderful blessings to all believers in all time:

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

And I am forevermore thankful to Lord Jesus Christ!

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE MY DELIVERER!!!

 

[civic]

As a blessed Christian, I believe in and follow Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a follower of "fatalism" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "datal", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

This post is also to @3dognight and @MTMattie since you Like calling Jesus your "death".

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIFE!!!

no death of Christ no life n Him- its as simple as that.

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[MTMattie]

There you go again, interpreting Holy Scripture according to your free-will power instead of the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24). This post is continued from post #6,420. We Christians believe Lord Jesus Christ makes our Father known to us Christians, so we are His friends, just as my Savior Jesus says "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I thank Lord Jesus for choosing me to be His friend because I am weak but He is strong!

You have made it very clear with your amplification of "John 15:16 WAS NEVER MEANT FOR ALL PEOPLE" that you deny being a friend of Lord Jesus because you self-willingly exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16) as recorded in post #6,407.

Your denial of being Christ's friend means that you are Christ's enemy.

You vehemently believe that you are not a friend of Jesus thus making yourself an enemy of Jesus because your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me" (proof post #6,395) thus you self-willingly exclude yourself from "I have called you friends, for all things that I have heard from My Father I have made known to you. You did not choose Me but I chose you" (John 15:15-16). I reject your "John 15 have nothing to do with you or me".

The Word of God issues these wonderful blessings to all believers in all time:

This is where you err. Yes Jesus said these things but he was not talking to all or about all. Only to a select few.

This...

• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time WHAT IS IT ABOUT PRIVATE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. Jesus was instructing and directing those who would teach but we were not told in the Holy Bible everything they were told.

• "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so God chooses people to be friends (John 15:15, the prior verse) and to believe (John 6:29) and to be born again (John 3:3-8) and for righteous works (John 3:21, John 15:5) and to repent (Matthew 11:25) and to love (John 13:34) and unto salvation (John 15:19 the same passage).
• "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19, includes salvation), so God exclusively chooses people unto salvation.
• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time.

And I am forevermore thankful to Lord Jesus Christ!

The only way for free-willian philosophers to acheive free-will is for them to add to the Word of God, and it is written "do not add to His words or He will reprove you, and you will be proved a liar" (Proverbs 30:6).

YOU are the one who adds to the word of God things not said but assumed.... the very same way the world has added to Jeremiah 1:5 because it is clear that only Jeremiah was being spoken to not everyone... He was PICKED by GOD to be a prophet, yet how many times have you heard
John Q public say God knew me before I was born. and then will quote Jeremiah or Psalm 139 which was about David.

Yes God pre-selects, pre-chooses, pre-determines SOME but not all. HE needs those who will do what it is that he needs to have done.
NOT everyone.

Do you think God Predetermined my neighbors daughter to be born with spina bifida AND cerebral palsy? I dont.

Do you think that God Predetermined that illegal who raped and killed Laken Riley to do that, or that she would be the one he would get? I dont

But I do think he placed the current POYUS in office to offset the likes of the 2nd one mentioned because someone here is needed.

Why can you not understand that?

WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? I came out of your belief system. And I have never felt so loved.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE MY DELIVERER!!!

 

[civic]

This is where you err. Yes Jesus said these things but he was not talking to all or about all. Only to a select few.

This...

• "What I say to you I say to all" (Lord Jesus Christ, Mark 13:37 - Jesus had taken the Apostles Peter, Andrew, James, and John aside in private and said this), so all the blessings of God mentioned above are to all believers in all time WHAT IS IT ABOUT PRIVATE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND. Jesus was instructing and directing those who would teach but we were not told in the Holy Bible everything they were told.

YOU are the one who adds to the word of God things not said but assumed.... the very same way the world has added to Jeremiah 1:5 because it is clear that only Jeremiah was being spoken to not everyone... He was PICKED by GOD to be a prophet, yet how many times have you heard
John Q public say God knew me before I was born. and then will quote Jeremiah or Psalm 139 which was about David.

Yes God pre-selects, pre-chooses, pre-determines SOME but not all. HE needs those who will do what it is that he needs to have done.
NOT everyone.

Do you think God Predetermined my neighbors daughter to be born with spina bifida AND cerebral palsy? I dont.

Do you think that God Predetermined that illegal who raped and killed Laken Riley to do that, or that she would be the one he would get? I dont

But I do think he placed the current POYUS in office to offset the likes of the 2nd one mentioned because someone here is needed.

Why can you not understand that?

WHAT ARE YOU AFRAID OF? I came out of your belief system. And I have never felt so loved.

yes the Son sets us free from fatalism, its chains of bondage, the dark prison cell, the yoke of its slavery- whom the Son sets free is free indeed. Amen !!!!

 

[Kermos]

You're funny. Or you would be if it weren't for the abject arrogance being displayed.

Your writing there fails to address when you wrote "your attempt to define sin in the absence of free will is complete and total nonsense. Obedience is a choice -- PERIOD" (proof post #6,380), yet my brother Paul wrote "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12-13); therefore, your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) credits man's obedience to the freewill choosing by man, but the Apostle Paul wisely credits man's obedience to the Sovereignty of God.

You and @3dognight (because of your heartfelt "Like" of Jim's writing) believe you are the self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) source of obedience to Christ even though both Lord Jesus Christ (John 3:21) and the Apostle Paul (Philippians 2:13) assign we Christian's obedience exclusively to God.

You eyes do not see the Word of God whom God caused me to quote to you - you wrote 'in your case that "God caused me....". And with that I say to you that God told me to disregard any and all of that as complete and total nonsense' (proof post #6,380).

The Natural Is The First State Of Being For All Mere Mortals - Sin By Default​

The Apostle Paul identifies every man starts out as a natural man with "the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46).

The Apostle Paul states that man is accountable to God for man's own sin against God with "[b}since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse[/b]" (Romans 1:20).

The Apostle Paul includes even the Gentiles in the Law "For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves" (Romans 2:14).

The Apostle Paul states that man is accountable to God for man's own crime against God with "we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law [comes] the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:19-20).

The Apostle Paul explains that the commands of God are foolishness to man with a "natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" (1 Corinthians 2:14)

The Apostle Paul declares that man's flesh opposes the Spirit of God with "the flesh desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. For these are opposed to one another" (Galatians 5:17).

The Apostle Paul declares that man's flesh is hostile against God and the flesh cannot please God with "the mind of the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able [to do so], and those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Romans 8:7-8).

THE FIRST STATE OF MAN IS OPPOSITION TO GOD, AND THE ONLY WAY (JOHN 14:6) FOR MAN'S SALVATION IS FOR GOD TO BIRTH MAN ANEW (JOHN 3:2-8), NOT A WORK OF A CHOICE BY MAN, BUT STRICTLY THE WORK OF GOD IN MAN (JOHN 6:29).

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your natural fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Sin is the default nature of man, and free-will exists not.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

 

[civic]

Your writing there fails to address when you wrote "your attempt to define sin in the absence of free will is complete and total nonsense. Obedience is a choice -- PERIOD" (proof post #6,380), yet my brother Paul wrote "So then, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your salvation with fear and trembling for it is God who is at work in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure" (Philippians 2:12-13); therefore, your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) credits man's obedience to the freewill choosing by man, but the Apostle Paul wisely credits man's obedience to the Sovereignty of God.

You and @3dognight (because of your heartfelt "Like" of Jim's writing) believe you are the self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) source of obedience to Christ even though both Lord Jesus Christ (John 3:21) and the Apostle Paul (Philippians 2:13) assign we Christian's obedience exclusively to God.

You eyes do not see the Word of God whom God caused me to quote to you - you wrote 'in your case that "God caused me....". And with that I say to you that God told me to disregard any and all of that as complete and total nonsense' (proof post #6,380).

The Natural Is The First State Of Being For All Mere Mortals - Sin By Default​

The Apostle Paul identifies every man starts out as a natural man with "the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46).

The Apostle Paul states that man is accountable to God for man's own sin against God with "[b}since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse[/b]" (Romans 1:20).

The Apostle Paul includes even the Gentiles in the Law "For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves" (Romans 2:14).

The Apostle Paul states that man is accountable to God for man's own crime against God with "we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law [comes] the knowledge of sin" (Romans 3:19-20).

The Apostle Paul explains that the commands of God are foolishness to man with a "natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised" (1 Corinthians 2:14)

The Apostle Paul declares that man's flesh opposes the Spirit of God with "the flesh desires against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh. For these are opposed to one another" (Galatians 5:17).

The Apostle Paul declares that man's flesh is hostile against God and the flesh cannot please God with "the mind of the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able [to do so], and those who are in the flesh cannot please God" (Romans 8:7-8).

THE FIRST STATE OF MAN IS OPPOSITION TO GOD, AND THE ONLY WAY (JOHN 14:6) FOR MAN'S SALVATION IS FOR GOD TO BIRTH MAN ANEW (JOHN 3:2-8), NOT A WORK OF A CHOICE BY MAN, BUT STRICTLY THE WORK OF GOD IN MAN (JOHN 6:29).

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your natural fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Sin is the default nature of man, and free-will exists not.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

the fallen man who thinks he reads the hearts and minds of people he has never met. the arrogance ,pride/ego and audacity to take on the role of Christ and the Holy Spirit and pretend you are Them.

YIKES.........................

now carry on with your evil doctrine of fatalism.

 

[Jim]

You eyes do not see the Word of God whom God caused me to quote to you

God didn't cause you to do that. You are just lying about that. Either that or you are a bit mentally disturbed. You should really seek professional help.

 

[civic]

God didn't cause you to do that. You are just lying about that. Either that or you are a bit mentally disturbed. You should really seek professional help.

yes the fatalist blames everything on God, even their sin.