An Article on free will

[Kermos]

satan quotes scripture just like you and misrepresents what God says just like he did in the garden. The old angel of light,

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I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a follower of "satan" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "Satan", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

The Word of God is absolute Truth (John 14:6)! I believe in Lord Jesus Christ!

The Apostle John enjoins us Christians "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).

Testing your spirit, in your post, you launch empty accusations devoid of any Word of God against this Christian who believes in the Christ. Your spirit must be tested more.

Lord Jesus Christ's atonement always succeeds! But, you demand your CHRIST'S FAILURE ATONEMENT as recorded in post #3,926 of this thread. According to your Free-willian Philosophy Christ's atonement applies to all people everywhere in all time, and the following represents fleshly people, dead in sin, ungodly multitude, unbelievers:

• if Tom of the world chooses to believe in Christ before he dies, then God must profit Tom with eternal life being saved from the wrath of God.
• if Nancy of the world chooses to believe not in Christ right until her dying thoughts, then God must punish Nancy with eternal damnation being under the wrath of God.
• The conclusion: Christ's atonement succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's atonement failed in saving Nancy of the world.

So, you free-willians believe in failure atonement.

The Grace of God always succeeds! But, you demand your EARNABLY RESISTIBLE GRACE OF GOD deception as recorded in post #5,496 of this thread.

King Jesus of the Kingdom of God exclusively controls admission into the Kingdom of God for the Glory of God! But you demand your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation as recorded in post #2,495 of this thread. The loving Christ of us Christians opens our ears to hear the Word of God in Truth (John 14:6):

And looking up to heaven, He sighed deeply and said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means, "Be opened!"). Immediately the man’s ears were opened and his tongue was released, and he began to speak plainly.
(Mark 7:34-35)
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But you do not believe Christ does the wonders that He does, instead, you believe you open your own self-willed ears (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Lord Jesus Christ commands us Christians to love one another with "as you might desire that men should do to you, so also you do to them, for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12), but you issue your free-willian ANTICHRIST SELFISH COMMAND TO NOT LOVE NOR SERVE OTHERS as recorded in post #6,298.

The blessed filling of the Holy Spirit occurs before Pentecost with "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit" (Luke 1:41), yet your anti-truth ABSENCE OF THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT BEFORE PENTECOST is your ungodly preaching as recorded in
post #5,718.

You are one of the false prophets who have gone out into the world"l (1 John 4:1) as proven by your own testimony recorded above.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[civic]

I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a follower of "satan" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "Satan", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

The Word of God is absolute Truth (John 14:6)! I believe in Lord Jesus Christ!

The Apostle John enjoins us Christians "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world" (1 John 4:1).

Testing your spirit, in your post, you launch empty accusations devoid of any Word of God against this Christian who believes in the Christ. Your spirit must be tested more.

Lord Jesus Christ's atonement always succeeds! But, you demand your CHRIST'S FAILURE ATONEMENT as recorded in post #3,926 of this thread. According to your Free-willian Philosophy Christ's atonement applies to all people everywhere in all time, and the following represents fleshly people, dead in sin, ungodly multitude, unbelievers:

• if Tom of the world chooses to believe in Christ before he dies, then God must profit Tom with eternal life being saved from the wrath of God.
• if Nancy of the world chooses to believe not in Christ right until her dying thoughts, then God must punish Nancy with eternal damnation being under the wrath of God.
• The conclusion: Christ's atonement succeeded in saving Tom of the world, and Christ's atonement failed in saving Nancy of the world.

So, you free-willians believe in failure atonement.

The Grace of God always succeeds! But, you demand your EARNABLY RESISTIBLE GRACE OF GOD deception as recorded in post #5,496 of this thread.

King Jesus of the Kingdom of God exclusively controls admission into the Kingdom of God for the Glory of God! But you demand your free-willian UnBiblical Order of Salvation as recorded in post #2,495 of this thread. The loving Christ of us Christians opens our ears to hear the Word of God in Truth (John 14:6):

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And looking up to heaven, He sighed deeply and said to him, "Ephphatha!" (which means, "Be opened!"). Immediately the man’s ears were opened and his tongue was released, and he began to speak plainly.​

(Mark 7:34-35)​

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But you do not believe Christ does the wonders that He does, instead, you believe you open your own self-willed ears (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Lord Jesus Christ commands us Christians to love one another with "as you might desire that men should do to you, so also you do to them, for this is the law and the prophets" (Matthew 7:12), but you issue your free-willian ANTICHRIST SELFISH COMMAND TO NOT LOVE NOR SERVE OTHERS as recorded in post #6,298.

The blessed filling of the Holy Spirit occurs before Pentecost with "Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit" (Luke 1:41), yet your anti-truth ABSENCE OF THE INDWELLING HOLY SPIRIT BEFORE PENTECOST is your ungodly preaching as recorded in
post #5,718.

You are one of the false prophets who have gone out into the world"l (1 John 4:1) as proven by your own testimony recorded above.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men leading to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LIVING GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!

See what Jesus said to the same fatalists as you in John 8:39-44.

You like them do not believe Jesus see John 8:45. The truth is not in you . Fatalism is false.

hope this helps !!!

 

[MTMattie]

@Kermos,

It is a shame that you do not understand what you read.

In post 6309 I gave you 30 scriptures from the four corners of the Holy Scriptures and you have ignored them or just did not read them.

It would seem that the chief adversary of God and humanity... Σατανᾶς has used a verse to his advantage.

Isaiah 6: 8-10

Isaiah’s Commission (from God)​

8Then I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, “Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us?” Then I said, “Here am I. Send me!” He said, “Go, and tell this people:

9 He said, “Go, and tell this people: ‘Keep on listening, but do not perceive; Keep on looking, but do not understand.’

10 “Render the hearts of this people insensitive, Their ears dull, And their eyes dim, Otherwise they might see with their eyes, Hear with their ears, Understand with their hearts, And return and be healed.”

I know you are pulling your hair out screaming OLD TESTAMENT~ OLD TESTAMENT so permit me to offer some additional;

Matthew 13:14-15
In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. / For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’


John 12:39-40
For this reason they were unable to believe. For again, Isaiah says: / “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes, and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”

Acts 28:26-27
‘Go to this people and say, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.” / For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’

Mark 4:12
so that, ‘they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven.’”

Romans 11:8
as it is written: “God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see, and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”

Deuteronomy 29:4
Yet to this day the LORD has not given you a mind to understand, eyes to see, or ears to hear.

Jeremiah 5:21
“Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes but do not see, who have ears but do not hear.

Ezekiel 12:2
“Son of man, you are living in a rebellious house. They have eyes to see but do not see, and ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious house.

2 Corinthians 3:14-15
But their minds were closed. For to this day the same veil remains at the reading of the old covenant. It has not been lifted, because only in Christ can it be removed. / And even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts.

2 Thessalonians 2:10-12
and with every wicked deception directed against those who are perishing, because they refused the love of the truth that would have saved them. / For this reason God will send them a powerful delusion so that they believe the lie, / in order that judgment may come upon all who have disbelieved the truth and delighted in wickedness.

Hebrews 3:7-8
Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: “Today, if you hear His voice, / do not harden your hearts, as you did in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness, = FREE WILL

For the last time...

I PRAY, I SEE, I HEAR, I READ , I LISTEN, I STUDY AND I CHOOSE. I CHOOSE FREE WILL. Not trusting on some "MAN or WOMAN" TO INTERPRET SCRIPTURES FOR ME. That person just might get it wrong.

Do I trust what I PRAY, I SEE, I HEAR, I READ , I LISTEN, I STUDY? When and if I find some question on my part that needs clarification, then I will search many and multiple opinions until the Holt Spirit tells me that is the correct one.

Yours is not.

 

[Kermos]

You make false statements about God since you are a fatalist and twist scripture just like the serpent did in the garden.

I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a "fatalist" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "fatal", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

The Word of God is absolute Truth (John 14:6)! I believe in Lord Jesus Christ!

The gracious Benefactor Jesus Christ of us Christians exclusively produces

1. divine choice of we beneficiaries unto salvation, for the Christ of us Christians says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19)
   AND, Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Ephesians “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God
2. beneficiaries’ faith/belief in Lord Jesus, for the Christ of us Christians says (see also a word about belief/faith (Greek πίστις pistis) and believe (Greek πιστεύω pisteuó))
   “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for Peter declared “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is exclusively by/of/through God
3. beneficiaries’ fruit of the Spirit/righteous actions/good works, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Philippians “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is exclusively by/of/through God
4. beneficiaries’ birth by the Holy Spirit, for the Christ of us Christians says "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) as well as “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to persons residing as aliens “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is exclusively by/of/through God
5. beneficiaries’ repent by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25)
   AND the apostles and elders are in accord with Jesus’ words with thier saying, “Well then, God has given to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in Matthew 11:25 state that God exclusively causes man to think differently after an encounter with God (repent means to think differently afterward)
6. beneficiaries’ love by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34)
   AND John is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love)
   AND John expands with his writing of “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 13:34 states that the love, true love (John 3:33), the very righteous love, the Godly love within us children of God, this love is exclusively by/of/through God

And here we have the Truth (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us believers (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE MARVELOUSLY LOVING SOVEREIGN GOD JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[civic]

I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a "fatalist" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "fatal", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

The Word of God is absolute Truth (John 14:6)! I believe in Lord Jesus Christ!

The gracious Benefactor Jesus Christ of us Christians exclusively produces

1. divine choice of we beneficiaries unto salvation, for the Christ of us Christians says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19)
   AND, Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Ephesians “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God
2. beneficiaries’ faith/belief in Lord Jesus, for the Christ of us Christians says (see also a word about belief/faith (Greek πίστις pistis) and believe (Greek πιστεύω pisteuó))
   “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for Peter declared “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is exclusively by/of/through God
3. beneficiaries’ fruit of the Spirit/righteous actions/good works, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Philippians “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is exclusively by/of/through God
4. beneficiaries’ birth by the Holy Spirit, for the Christ of us Christians says "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) as well as “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to persons residing as aliens “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is exclusively by/of/through God
5. beneficiaries’ repent by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25)
   AND the apostles and elders are in accord with Jesus’ words with thier saying, “Well then, God has given to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in Matthew 11:25 state that God exclusively causes man to think differently after an encounter with God (repent means to think differently afterward)
6. beneficiaries’ love by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34)
   AND John is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love)
   AND John expands with his writing of “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 13:34 states that the love, true love (John 3:33), the very righteous love, the Godly love within us children of God, this love is exclusively by/of/through God

And here we have the Truth (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us believers (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE MARVELOUSLY LOVING SOVEREIGN GOD JESUS CHRIST!!!

True and False Disciples​

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23;Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

 

[MTMattie]

I believe in Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Truth (John 14:6), so you calling me a "fatalist" means that you are calling my Leader Jesus your wicked "fatal", a.k.a. "death", and no Christian applies death to Lord Jesus Christ. Lord Jesus Christ is Life!

The Word of God is absolute Truth (John 14:6)! I believe in Lord Jesus Christ!

The gracious Benefactor Jesus Christ of us Christians exclusively produces

1. divine choice of we beneficiaries unto salvation, for the Christ of us Christians says “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19)
   AND, Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Ephesians “Blessed [be] the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly [places] in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him in love” (Ephesians 1:3-4)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 15:16 and John 15:19 state God exclusively chooses us believers by/of/through God
2. beneficiaries’ faith/belief in Lord Jesus, for the Christ of us Christians says (see also a word about belief/faith (Greek πίστις pistis) and believe (Greek πιστεύω pisteuó))
   “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for Paul wrote to the Ephesians “by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are His work” (Ephesians 2:8-10)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for Peter declared “God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us; and He made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith” (Acts 15:8-9)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 6:29 state for us believers to believe in Jesus whom the Father has sent is exclusively by/of/through God
3. beneficiaries’ fruit of the Spirit/righteous actions/good works, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, that his works may be revealed, that they are having been worked in God” (John 3:21)
   AND Paul is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to the Philippians “being filled with the fruit of righteousness that [is] by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God” (Philippians 1:11)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:21 state fruit in we believers is exclusively by/of/through God
4. beneficiaries’ birth by the Holy Spirit, for the Christ of us Christians says "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) as well as “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (John 3:5-8)
   AND Peter is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote to persons residing as aliens “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead” (1 Peter 1:3)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 3:5-8 state we believers being born again is exclusively by/of/through God
5. beneficiaries’ repent by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Matthew 11:25)
   AND the apostles and elders are in accord with Jesus’ words with thier saying, “Well then, God has given to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life” (Acts 11:18)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in Matthew 11:25 state that God exclusively causes man to think differently after an encounter with God (repent means to think differently afterward)
6. beneficiaries’ love by God’s working, for the Christ of us Christians says
   “A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another” (John 13:34)
   AND John is in accord with Jesus’ words for he wrote “Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God” (1 John 4:7, see the phrase “love is from God” meaning God is the source of true love)
   AND John expands with his writing of “God is Love, and the one who abides in Love abides in God, and God abides in him” (1 John 4:16, see the phrase “one who abides in Love” is equivocated with “one who abides” “in God” which extends from God’s exclusivity with “God is Love”)
   SO, clearly, Jesus’ words in John 13:34 states that the love, true love (John 3:33), the very righteous love, the Godly love within us children of God, this love is exclusively by/of/through God

And here we have the Truth (John 14:6), the love of Christ controls us believers (2 Corinthians 5:14)!

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men that leads to worship in vain (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE MARVELOUSLY LOVING SOVEREIGN GOD JESUS CHRIST!!!

Hey??????/ Have you given any thought to this.

You say we who have free will do not have it... right? That when we tell you we do and we believe and we have saving faith we dont.

You have often said that one has to be selected before one believes.

And indicated that the Holy Father is in charge of all.

How come we have not lost any of our faith? How come we still have the Holy Spirit in us? How come God has not shut our mouths IF you are so right and we are so wrong?

 

[Kermos]

True and False Disciples​

21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23;Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

We Christians do the will of our Father who is in heaven by singing the sweet Christ's Sovereignty of God song that God is so very Holy that we cannot approach this Loving King Jesus without being summoned and chosen by His Holiness; in contrast, the daringly self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) Free-willian Philosophers sing the false disciple traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) sour song about man choosing His Holiness:

The false disciples traditions of men		The true disciples Word of God
I chose Jesus, but Jesus didn't choose me (civic's saying 15:16)		you did not choose Me, but I chose you (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16)
I chose Jesus so now Jesus must obey me to make me out of the world (civic's saying 15:19)		I chose you out of the world (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19)
This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (civic 6:29)		This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (Lord Jesus Christ, John 6:29)
I chose to practice the Truth coming to the Light so that my works may be manifested as having been wrought in me (civic's saying 3:21)		he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21)
Truly, truly, I say to you, before one is born again he can see the Kingdom of God[ (civic 3:3)		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)
To your own praise, you have revealed these things to yourself for you are the wise and intelligent One who causes yourself to repent (civic 11:25)		I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25)
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even according to your free-will fleshly love, that you also love one another (civic 13:34)		A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another (Lord Jesus Christ, John 13:34)

We Christians sing the sweet song of the power of God to the glory of God! The Word of God is beautiful - to God be all honor and glory and power and dominion forever and ever! Praise be to the Christ of us Christians.

You free-willians sing the sour song of the power of man to the glory of man!

Christ says "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life" (John 6:63) as well as "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE CHRIST FOREVER!!!

 

[MTMattie]

We Christians do the will of our Father who is in heaven by singing the sweet Christ's Sovereignty of God song that God is so very Holy that we cannot approach this Loving King Jesus without being summoned and chosen by His Holiness; in contrast, the daringly self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) Free-willian Philosophers sing the false disciple traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) sour song about man choosing His Holiness:

The false disciples traditions of men		The true disciples Word of God
I chose Jesus, but Jesus didn't choose me (civic's saying 15:16)		you did not choose Me, but I chose you (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16)
I chose Jesus so now Jesus must obey me to make me out of the world (civic's saying 15:19)		I chose you out of the world (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19)
This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (civic 6:29)		This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (Lord Jesus Christ, John 6:29)
I chose to practice the Truth coming to the Light so that my works may be manifested as having been wrought in me (civic's saying 3:21)		he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21)
Truly, truly, I say to you, before one is born again he can see the Kingdom of God[ (civic 3:3)		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)
To your own praise, you have revealed these things to yourself for you are the wise and intelligent One who causes yourself to repent (civic 11:25)		I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25)
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even according to your free-will fleshly love, that you also love one another (civic 13:34)		A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another (Lord Jesus Christ, John 13:34)

We Christians sing the sweet song of the power of God to the glory of God! The Word of God is beautiful - to God be all honor and glory and power and dominion forever and ever! Praise be to the Christ of us Christians.

You free-willians sing the sour song of the power of man to the glory of man!

Christ says "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life" (John 6:63) as well as "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE CHRIST FOREVER!!!

@Kermos

What happened with Karla Faye Tucker? Or are you too young to remember?

What happened that caused her

Last Words:
“ Yes sir, I would like to say to all of you — the Thornton family and Jerry Dean’s family — that I am so sorry. I hope God will give you peace with this. Baby, I love you. Ron, give Peggy a hug for me. Everybody has been so good to me. I love all of you very much. I am going to be face to face with Jesus now. Warden Baggett, thank all of you so much. You have been so good to me. I love all of you very much. I will see you all when you get there. I will wait for you. ”

Karla Faye Tucker Converted To Christianity On Death Row – But It Couldn’t Save Her

Karla Faye Tucker was sentenced to death, but while awaiting her execution had a religious experience she hoped could spare her life.

allthatsinteresting.com

Karla Faye Tucker Converted To Christianity On Death Row – But It Couldn’t Save Her

No matter the cause there is only two things in her case to believe.

She had free will when she killed those people with a pick axe and ultimately chose God OR

God arranged the circumstances to allow that to happen as an example of how she would be saved.. in the end as God's choice.

 

[civic]

@Kermos

What happened with Karla Faye Tucker? Or are you too young to remember?

What happened that caused her

Last Words:
“ Yes sir, I would like to say to all of you — the Thornton family and Jerry Dean’s family — that I am so sorry. I hope God will give you peace with this. Baby, I love you. Ron, give Peggy a hug for me. Everybody has been so good to me. I love all of you very much. I am going to be face to face with Jesus now. Warden Baggett, thank all of you so much. You have been so good to me. I love all of you very much. I will see you all when you get there. I will wait for you. ”

Karla Faye Tucker Converted To Christianity On Death Row – But It Couldn’t Save Her

Karla Faye Tucker was sentenced to death, but while awaiting her execution had a religious experience she hoped could spare her life.

allthatsinteresting.com

Karla Faye Tucker Converted To Christianity On Death Row – But It Couldn’t Save Her

No matter the cause there is only two things in her case to believe.

She had free will when she killed those people with a pick axe and ultimately chose God OR

God arranged the circumstances to allow that to happen as an example of how she would be saved.. in the end as God's choice.

In his paradigm his god made/ caused those murders

 

[MTMattie]

In his paradigm his god made/ caused those murders

I figured that.

But sheeesh.

Aren't we happy that our God is love?

His is not.

 

[Jim]

We Christians do the will of our Father who is in heaven by singing the sweet Christ's Sovereignty of God song that God is so very Holy that we cannot approach this Loving King Jesus without being summoned and chosen by His Holiness; in contrast, the daringly self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) Free-willian Philosophers sing the false disciple traditions of men (Matthew 15:9) sour song about man choosing His Holiness:

The false disciples traditions of men		The true disciples Word of God
I chose Jesus, but Jesus didn't choose me (civic's saying 15:16)		you did not choose Me, but I chose you (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16)
I chose Jesus so now Jesus must obey me to make me out of the world (civic's saying 15:19)		I chose you out of the world (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19)
This is not the work of God but this is the work of man, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (civic 6:29)		This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent (Lord Jesus Christ, John 6:29)
I chose to practice the Truth coming to the Light so that my works may be manifested as having been wrought in me (civic's saying 3:21)		he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21)
Truly, truly, I say to you, before one is born again he can see the Kingdom of God[ (civic 3:3)		Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3)
To your own praise, you have revealed these things to yourself for you are the wise and intelligent One who causes yourself to repent (civic 11:25)		I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25)
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even according to your free-will fleshly love, that you also love one another (civic 13:34)		A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another (Lord Jesus Christ, John 13:34)

We Christians sing the sweet song of the power of God to the glory of God! The Word of God is beautiful - to God be all honor and glory and power and dominion forever and ever! Praise be to the Christ of us Christians.

You free-willians sing the sour song of the power of man to the glory of man!

Christ says "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life" (John 6:63) as well as "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE CHRIST FOREVER!!!

 

[Kermos]

.

Jim, your post is absent of your composition, so let's return to where we last left off.

(Strong's 4102 - pistis - faith, belief, trust, confidence, fidelity - BibleHub.com)

Fidelity, that is, faithfulness.

(ASV) Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

(NASB) Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

(NIV) Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law

(NKJV) Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

Utter nonsense!!

The Faith, not faith. The Faith is the Way, the Plan of God for Salvation, the religious process whereby God can save us.

Lord Jesus Christ is the Author and Perfecter of the Faith (Hebrews 12:2), but you free-willians, including @Eternally-Grateful and @civic and @MTMattie because of your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) "Like" in @Jim's post, you free-willians believe that your flesh authored and/or perfected your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) faith to chose the Sovereign God Jesus Christ, but, in Truth (John 14:6), you daringly revile King Jesus of the Kingdom of God for the Apostle declares "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Fidelity is synonymous with faith with respect to the Greek word πίστις (Strong’s 4102 – pistis – faith, belief, trust, confidence, fidelity – BibleHub.com); therefore, the exact concept is faith in:

the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.
(Galatians 5:22-23)
​

Faith = FAITH = faith = belief

πίστις = πίστις = πίστις = πίστις

The English case does not impact the Greek case.

Therefore, faith in Jesus whom the Father has sent is a Fruit of the Spirit without ever being your work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) as you all place faith in Jesus squarely in your own fleshly free-will to some degree, yet the King of Glory declares “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

By using your word “fidelity” in Galatians 5:22-23 instead of faith, then we find you all living in infidelity to the Holy Spirit’s fruit in your claim that your fidelity/faith is a work of your flesh.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

 

[MTMattie]

@Kermos.

Faith cannot be a gift from God. At least according to Heb 11:6

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

It is by my free will that I have my faith because I came to God , not the other way around.

Heb 11:6 = Free Will and will stop now before you are confused anymore in your conjured up reasons to not believe.

 

[Jim]

Jim, your post is absent of your composition, so let's return to where we last left off.



Lord Jesus Christ is the Author and Perfecter of the Faith (Hebrews 12:2), but you free-willians, including @Eternally-Grateful and @civic and @MTMattie because of your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) "Like" in @Jim's post, you free-willians believe that your flesh authored and/or perfected your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) faith to chose the Sovereign God Jesus Christ, but, in Truth (John 14:6), you daringly revile King Jesus of the Kingdom of God for the Apostle declares "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Fidelity is synonymous with faith with respect to the Greek word πίστις (Strong’s 4102 – pistis – faith, belief, trust, confidence, fidelity – BibleHub.com); therefore, the exact concept is faith in:

​

the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.​

(Galatians 5:22-23)​

​

Faith = FAITH = faith = belief

πίστις = πίστις = πίστις = πίστις

The English case does not impact the Greek case.

Therefore, faith in Jesus whom the Father has sent is a Fruit of the Spirit without ever being your work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) as you all place faith in Jesus squarely in your own fleshly free-will to some degree, yet the King of Glory declares “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

By using your word “fidelity” in Galatians 5:22-23 instead of faith, then we find you all living in infidelity to the Holy Spirit’s fruit in your claim that your fidelity/faith is a work of your flesh.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

Define sin in the absence of free will.

 

[civic]

Jim, your post is absent of your composition, so let's return to where we last left off.



Lord Jesus Christ is the Author and Perfecter of the Faith (Hebrews 12:2), but you free-willians, including @Eternally-Grateful and @civic and @MTMattie because of your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) "Like" in @Jim's post, you free-willians believe that your flesh authored and/or perfected your self-willed (2 Peter 2:9-10) faith to chose the Sovereign God Jesus Christ, but, in Truth (John 14:6), you daringly revile King Jesus of the Kingdom of God for the Apostle declares "the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority, daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10).

Fidelity is synonymous with faith with respect to the Greek word πίστις (Strong’s 4102 – pistis – faith, belief, trust, confidence, fidelity – BibleHub.com); therefore, the exact concept is faith in:

​

the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.​

(Galatians 5:22-23)​

​

Faith = FAITH = faith = belief

πίστις = πίστις = πίστις = πίστις

The English case does not impact the Greek case.

Therefore, faith in Jesus whom the Father has sent is a Fruit of the Spirit without ever being your work of the flesh (Galatians 5:19-21) as you all place faith in Jesus squarely in your own fleshly free-will to some degree, yet the King of Glory declares “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29).

By using your word “fidelity” in Galatians 5:22-23 instead of faith, then we find you all living in infidelity to the Holy Spirit’s fruit in your claim that your fidelity/faith is a work of your flesh.

You believe you buy your way into heaven with your fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

Says the fatalist

from Stanford encyclopedia

Though the word “fatalism” is commonly used to refer to an attitude of resignation in the face of some future event or events which are thought to be inevitable, philosophers usually use the word to refer to the view that we are powerless to do anything other than what we actually do. This view may be argued for in various ways: by appeal to logical laws and metaphysical necessities; by appeal to the existence and nature of God; by appeal to causal determinism. When argued for in the first way, it is commonly called “Logical fatalism” (or, in some cases, “Metaphysical fatalism”); when argued for in the second way, it is commonly called “Theological fatalism”.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Kermos]

Define sin in the absence of free will.

1. Let's take turns. In response to your demand, I'll respond directly to your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) that sin requires the existence of free-will, but you need to address the 3rd section of this post, too. I've numbered the sections to make it easy. The 2nd section addresses your "Define sin in the absence of free will".
2. As to your heart's treasure, no Word of God states man was imparted a free-will, so free-will is unbiblical.
   
   Next as to your heart's treasure, "the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46); therefore, man initially has a self-will for it is written "daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10), so self-will is Biblical.
   
   Finally, as to your heart's treasure, the definition of sin is as follows.
   
   
   Sin: not a part, missing the mark.
   

   
   hamartía (a feminine noun derived from 1 /A "not" and 3313 /méros, "a part, share of") – properly, no-share ("no part of"); loss (forfeiture) because not hitting the target; sin (missing the mark) (definition from ἁμαρτία - Strong's 266 - hamartia HELPS Word-studies section on BibleHub.com).
   ​
   Sin is "not a part" of God, or said another way, sin is man "missing the mark" established by God, like missing the bull's eye of a target, sin is when a self-willed person does not do as God commands whether ignorantly or not.
3. Here is the 3rd section, Jim. You believe you buy your way into heaven with your fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

God has me here proclaiming men's deliverance by God, that is, the God of Love unilaterally saves man from the wrath of God, to God be the glory, power, and honor forevermore, Hallelujah; in contrast, you preach that man self-saves himself which is glory to man thus missing the mark.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

 

[civic]

1. Let's take turns. In response to your demand, I'll respond directly to your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) that sin requires the existence of free-will, but you need to address the 3rd section of this post, too. I've numbered the sections to make it easy. The 2nd section addresses your "Define sin in the absence of free will".
2. As to your heart's treasure, no Word of God states man was imparted a free-will, so free-will is unbiblical.
   
   Next as to your heart's treasure, "the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46); therefore, man initially has a self-will for it is written "daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10), so self-will is Biblical.
   
   Finally, as to your heart's treasure, the definition of sin is as follows.
   
   
   Sin: not a part, missing the mark.​
   
   hamartía (a feminine noun derived from 1 /A "not" and 3313 /méros, "a part, share of") – properly, no-share ("no part of"); loss (forfeiture) because not hitting the target; sin (missing the mark) (definition from ἁμαρτία - Strong's 266 - hamartia HELPS Word-studies section on BibleHub.com).​
   
   Sin is "not a part" of God, or said another way, sin is man "missing the mark" established by God, like missing the bull's eye of a target, sin is when a self-willed person does not do as God commands whether ignorantly or not.
3. Here is the 3rd section, Jim. You believe you buy your way into heaven with your fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

God has me here proclaiming men's deliverance by God, that is, the God of Love unilaterally saves man from the wrath of God, to God be the glory, power, and honor forevermore, Hallelujah; in contrast, you preach that man self-saves himself which is glory to man thus missing the mark.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

yet this "god of love" predestines most of his creation to hell without ever giving them any way to escape their fatal end. Your fatalism is unloving just like the god you follow who has no love for most of mankind he created.

your view of john 3:16 is as follows:

for the god of fatalism so loved the whole world that he only will save those he predestined whom he gave his son to die for and those he died for caused them to believe and the other caused them not to believe in the son and never receive eternal life like the others.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

1. Let's take turns. In response to your demand, I'll respond directly to your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) that sin requires the existence of free-will, but you need to address the 3rd section of this post, too. I've numbered the sections to make it easy. The 2nd section addresses your "Define sin in the absence of free will".
2. As to your heart's treasure, no Word of God states man was imparted a free-will, so free-will is unbiblical.
   
   Next as to your heart's treasure, "the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46); therefore, man initially has a self-will for it is written "daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10), so self-will is Biblical.
   
   Finally, as to your heart's treasure, the definition of sin is as follows.
   
   
   Sin: not a part, missing the mark.​
   
   hamartía (a feminine noun derived from 1 /A "not" and 3313 /méros, "a part, share of") – properly, no-share ("no part of"); loss (forfeiture) because not hitting the target; sin (missing the mark) (definition from ἁμαρτία - Strong's 266 - hamartia HELPS Word-studies section on BibleHub.com).​
   
   Sin is "not a part" of God, or said another way, sin is man "missing the mark" established by God, like missing the bull's eye of a target, sin is when a self-willed person does not do as God commands whether ignorantly or not.
3. Here is the 3rd section, Jim. You believe you buy your way into heaven with your fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

God has me here proclaiming men's deliverance by God, that is, the God of Love unilaterally saves man from the wrath of God, to God be the glory, power, and honor forevermore, Hallelujah; in contrast, you preach that man self-saves himself which is glory to man thus missing the mark.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

with your unbiblical/carnal knowledge as demonstrated above you would have to deny the Trinity since its not in the bible and Christ is God since Jesus never said the words " I Am God "

your logic is flawed as are your doctrines/theology.

conclusion: you twist Gods word in the same way the devil twisted what God said in the garden to adam/eve. we call this deception.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Jim]

1. Let's take turns. In response to your demand, I'll respond directly to your heart's treasure (Matthew 15:16-19, Matthew 6:21) that sin requires the existence of free-will, but you need to address the 3rd section of this post, too. I've numbered the sections to make it easy. The 2nd section addresses your "Define sin in the absence of free will".
2. As to your heart's treasure, no Word of God states man was imparted a free-will, so free-will is unbiblical.
   
   Next as to your heart's treasure, "the spiritual is not first, but the natural; then the spiritual" (1 Corinthians 15:46); therefore, man initially has a self-will for it is written "daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties" (2 Peter 2:9-10), so self-will is Biblical.
   
   Finally, as to your heart's treasure, the definition of sin is as follows.
   
   
   Sin: not a part, missing the mark.​
   
   hamartía (a feminine noun derived from 1 /A "not" and 3313 /méros, "a part, share of") – properly, no-share ("no part of"); loss (forfeiture) because not hitting the target; sin (missing the mark) (definition from ἁμαρτία - Strong's 266 - hamartia HELPS Word-studies section on BibleHub.com).​
   
   Sin is "not a part" of God, or said another way, sin is man "missing the mark" established by God, like missing the bull's eye of a target, sin is when a self-willed person does not do as God commands whether ignorantly or not.
3. Here is the 3rd section, Jim. You believe you buy your way into heaven with your fleshly free-will faith payment in your "apart from Christ, I chose to believe Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29) and “It is the Spirit who gives Life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are Spirit and are Life” (John 6:63), so you believe falsehood (2 Peter 2:1, 2 Peter 2:9-10).

God has me here proclaiming men's deliverance by God, that is, the God of Love unilaterally saves man from the wrath of God, to God be the glory, power, and honor forevermore, Hallelujah; in contrast, you preach that man self-saves himself which is glory to man thus missing the mark.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!

I am waiting for you to define sin without free will.

However, in the meantime, Your thinking that the references in John 15 are for you is rather humorous. Those were spoken to and about the twelve. You ain't one of them. And your interpretation of the word "see" in John 3:3 is a bit off. The kingdom of heaven is not something to be visually observed. It is to be experienced. The "see" in verse 3 and the enter in verse 5 both speak of the same thing.

With respect to John 6:29, that is Jesus' answer to those in the crowd asking, "What must we do, to be doing the works of God?" He didn't try to deceive them. He answered them truthfully and told them what they must do. He told them "you must believe in God". Believing is work. It is not a work of law but is certainly was stated as something that they must do.

But your confusion as to the meaning of so much is obvious.

So, back to my question; if there is no free will what is sin?

 

[Red Baker]

So, back to my question; if there is no free will what is sin?

I'm only answering this post since he posted to your question already #6,366.

Jim, Adam sinned using his free will. Sin is as the word of God said~a transgression against the law of God.

1st John 3:4​

“Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.”

God’s inspired definition of sin – the violation of God’s moral code for human conduct. The only true difference in the two clauses here is the use of also in the first. See above. Nearly a restatement of the first clause, John by the Spirit wrote to paint sin accurately. Any laws other than God’s might be questioned in nature or degree, but not God’s.

We sin, because of having inherit from Adam our sinful nature. We are born in captivity to sin, and the devil himself.