An Article on free will

[Presby02]

You still have not explained how you believe God gives faith

You have been dodging this for days

this is just another instance of your dodging

Glad you affirmed enabling is not the same as giving

BTW do you have a verse which actually states God gives saving faith?

Explain how my position is contradictory

 

[civic]

Now we have believers who have no faith?

that's the point its believers in Gal 5 with the fruit of the spirit and in Phil 1:29.

 

[synergy]

Nobody would believe the pagan god of Provisionism is the god of the Bible. Man, that's easy. I win

First of all, I'm not a Provisionist. Second of all, you offered no reason for your statement whereas I did for mine. Now I see why you called me a genius. Calvinist don't have the ability to offer support for their claims.

 

[Presby02]

that's the point its believers in Gal 5 with the fruit of the spirit and in Phil 1:29.

Is it? Prove it

 

[Presby02]

First of all, I'm not a Provisionist. Second of all, you offered no reason for your statement whereas I did for mine. Now I see why you called me a genius. Calvinist don't have the ability to offer support for their claims.

LOL, look who is talking.

I called you a genius? Look up sarcasm. Genius

 

[Presby02]

Nobody would think that the calvinist pagan god is the true God of the Bible.

Nobody? Do you know everybody?

 

[civic]

Is it? Prove it

who is Galatians and Philippians written to believers or unbelievers ?

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[Presby02]

You still have not explained how you believe God gives faith

You have been dodging this for days

this is just another instance of your dodging

Glad you affirmed enabling is not the same as giving

BTW do you have a verse which actually states God gives saving faith?

who is Galatians and Philippians written to believers or unbelievers ?

next fallacy

Believers. So i ask again, was Paul saying God grants belief to those who already believe?

 

[civic]

Believers. So i ask again, was Paul saying God grants belief to those who already believe?

there is saving faith and the faithfulness in the walk of the believer. you are conflating them. God never gives saving faith to any unbeliever. God gives the fruit of the spirit to believers which includes faith.

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[Presby02]

there is saving faith and the faithfulness in the walk of the believer. you are conflating them. God never gives saving faith to any unbeliever. God gives the fruit of the spirit to believers which includes faith.

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So there are believers with no faith then.

So there is saving faith, not given, and faith as a fruit of the Spirit that is given?

 

[civic]

So there are believers with no faith then.

So there is saving faith, not given, and faith as a fruit of the Spirit that is given?

there are believers who doubt, who sin, anything not in faith is sin, walk in the flesh( not faith , faithful and obedient ) must I go on ?

that's what the deeds of the flesh are contrasted with the fruit of the spirit by Paul.

 

[Presby02]

there are believers who doubt, who sin, anything not in faith is sin, walk in the flesh( not faith , faithful and obedient ) must I go on ?

that's what the deeds of the flesh are contrasted with the fruit of the spirit by Paul.

I did not ask about doubt.

So a believers with no faith are still in their sin then apparently. Until they are gifted faith??

By all means, go on. LOL This gets better as you go.

 

[civic]

I did not ask about doubt.

So a believers with no faith are still in their sin then apparently. Until they are gifted faith??

By all means, go on. LOL This gets better as you go.

doesn't matter what you asked it the biblical definition of faith and what it is and is not.

next.

 

[civic]

buy all your questions are nothing but deflections from having to make a defense and biblical argument on your position @Presby02

 

[Presby02]

doesn't matter what you asked it the biblical definition of faith and what it is and is not.

next.

I did not ask for a definition either.

 

[Presby02]

buy all your questions are nothing but deflections from having to make a defense and biblical argument on your position @Presby02

This is about that mess you call a position. Believers with no faith. Faith is a gift but only after you believe and so on.

 

[civic]

This is about that mess you call a position. Believers with no faith. Faith is a gift but only after you believe and so on.

you are the one denying the fruit of the spirit is faith which can only be n the life of a person who is already saved. That's your dilemma not mine to reconcile.

Saving faith is NEVER EVER granted, given or gifted to an UNBELIEVER.

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[Presby02]

you are the one denying the fruit of the spirit is faith which can only be n the life of a person who is already saved. That's your dilemma not mine to reconcile.

Saving faith is NEVER EVER granted, given or gifted to an UNBELIEVER.

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I never denied any such thing.

Says who?

 

[civic]

I never denied any such thing.

Says who?

Here we go who’s on first

 

[Presby02]

Here we go who’s on first

Quit saying things that are not true. Problem solved