An Article on free will

[Kermos]

This person whining about mindless repetition is rich.

He's so rich that he believes he buys his way into heaven with his free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29), so he preaches and teaches and believes falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE STRONG SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[civic]

He's so rich that he believes he buys his way into heaven with his free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29), so he preaches and teaches and believes falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

Great scriptures that we believe but don't twist them into a pretzel like you.

 

[Kampioen]

He's so rich that he believes he buys his way into heaven with his free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29), so he preaches and teaches and believes falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE STRONG SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!!!

Like you believe God thinks up and actuates both side of an argument, not of our works, God or bad lest any man should boast. Who are you to accuse the opposition argument for thinking they are right and you wrong?

 

[TomL]

He's so rich that he believes he buys his way into heaven with his free-will saying "apart from Christ, I chose Christ so Christ must profit me with salvation", yet the Christ of us Christians declares "apart from me you can do nothing" (John 15:5) and "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3) and “you did not choose Me, but I chose you” (John 15:16) and “I chose you out of the world” (John 15:19, includes salvation) and “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29), so he preaches and teaches and believes falsehood (2 Peter 2:1; 2 Peter 2:9-10).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE STRONG SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST!!!

Do you have anything which is not a repeat which has been addressed over and over but you never respond to?

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/an-article-on-free-will.1287/post-108134

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/an-article-on-free-will.1287/post-110654

 

[Kermos]

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Fatalism/ determinism is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

You post unsubstantiated statements, there, in your response to post #3,950 that God caused me to post to TomL.

God caused me to extend to you the courtesy of substantively detailing your error in post #3,941 that God caused me to post to you, civic.

@civic, those two posts are separated by a mere 7 posts, and the post to you was posted before the post to TomL.

Yet, you failed to respond to post #3,941 originally to you, civic, but you generated a free-will response to post #3,950 originally to TomL.

For your convenience, here is post #3,941.

The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel. They did not believe it until they physically saw Jesus Resurrected from the dead. They were not born again until the Day of Pentecost which Jesus told them to wait for in the upper room.



Matthew 16:8-11
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?

Mark 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, itcannot defile him;

Mark 8:31-33
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Luke 9:43-45
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

Jesus predicts His death a 3rd time

Luke 18:31-34
Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; 33 they will flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.”
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.


Luke 24:25-26
He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?

John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

John 12:16
At first His disciples did not understand these things, but after Jesus was glorified they remembered what had been done to Him, and they realized that these very things had also been written about Him.

John 13
Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.”

Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

John 16:7
"It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart I will send him unto you."

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Paul and Peter claim they were guided by the Holy Spirit in the writing of new Scripture.


Romans 15:4. 'For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we, through the patience and comfort of the Scripture might have hope. The OT was actually written for Christians and, indeed, for our times! Therefore we should certainly not ignore it.

Colossians 1:25-27 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship of God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to the saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

1Peter 1:10-12.Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied to you of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which have now been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel yo you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven- things that even angels desire to look into.

These passages from Paul and Peter tell us that the OT prophets didn't fully understand their own writings. It is Paul to whom the 'mystery' of Christ has finally been fully revealed and who can fully understand the OT. Because of that we are able to read it in the light of the New Testament revelation. Jesus said it was Him that the scriptures testify to from Genesis through Malachi. John 5:39. These are the Scriptures that testify of Me.' The OT is all about the Lord Jesus Christ and we should expect to find Him in the Law of Moses, the Psalms and the Prophets just as Jesus told His disciples in the gospels.

Revelation is progressive from old to new and we need the new to understand and comprehend the old. We see this in Peters own life how He was transformed after Pentecost and was able at that time forward of proclaim with boldness and understanding the gospel as we read in Acts and his epistles just as Jesus promised to him that He would bring to remembrance all the things He has taught him. The same with John, James and Jude.

hope this helps !!!

Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).
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Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?

you ask the wrong question with faulty presuppositions - the question is not does God hide or blind some to the truth?

“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!

the real question is why does God blind some and not others ?

you do not know the answer or will deny the answer to that ?

Hear the Word of the Lord:

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.
(Job 38:4)
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I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[synergy]

You post unsubstantiated statements, there, in your response to post #3,950 that God caused me to post to TomL.

God caused me to extend to you the courtesy of substantively detailing your error in post #3,941 that God caused me to post to you, civic.

@civic, those two posts are separated by a mere 7 posts, and the post to you was posted before the post to TomL.

Yet, you failed to respond to post #3,941 originally to you, civic, but you generated a free-will response to post #3,950 originally to TomL.

For your convenience, here is post #3,941.

Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

​

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).​

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"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).​

Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?

“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!

Hear the Word of the Lord:

​

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.​

(Job 38:4)​

​

I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

Let's look at John 3:3 closely. At what point does one begin to "see the Kingdom of God"? John 3:3 clearly says at the point when one is "born again".

(John 3:3) Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

By definition, when one is "born again" he becomes a "child of God" so the two states are synonymous.

John 1:12 clearly states that one becomes a child of God when he receives Christ and believes on His name.

(John 1:12) But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,

Conclusion: Belief in Christ precedes being born again. Calvinism comes crashing down before your very eyes in a big ball of fire.

 

[civic]

Let's look at John 3:3 closely. At what point does one begin to "see the Kingdom of God"? John 3:3 clearly says at the point when one is "born again".

(John 3:3) Jesus answered and said to him, Truly, truly, I say to you, Unless a man is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

By definition, when one is "born again" he becomes a "child of God" so the two states are synonymous.

John 1:12 clearly states that one becomes a child of God when he receives Christ and believes on His name.

(John 1:12) But as many as received Him, He gave to them authority to become the children of God, to those who believe on His name,

Conclusion: Belief in Christ precedes being born again. Calvinism comes crashing down before your very eyes in a big ball of fire.

Crash and burn

 

[TomL]

You post unsubstantiated statements, there, in your response to post #3,950 that God caused me to post to TomL.

God caused me to extend to you the courtesy of substantively detailing your error in post #3,941 that God caused me to post to you, civic.

@civic, those two posts are separated by a mere 7 posts, and the post to you was posted before the post to TomL.

Yet, you failed to respond to post #3,941 originally to you, civic, but you generated a free-will response to post #3,950 originally to TomL.

For your convenience, here is post #3,941.



Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

​

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).​

​

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).​

​

Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?



“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!



Hear the Word of the Lord:

​

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.​

(Job 38:4)​

​

I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

You do realize Psalm 115:17 is speaking of the physically dead

and see in John 3:3 does not mean to perceive but to experience

5. see someth.=experience someth. (Ps 26:13); good days 1 Pt 3:10 (Ps 33:13; τ. βασιλείαν J 3:3. θάνατον see death=die Lk 2:26; Hb 11:5 (cf. Ps 88:49; Anth. Pal. 6, 230 ἰδεῖν Ἀίδην); grief Rv 18:7 (cf. 1 Macc 13:3 τὰς στενοχωρίας; Eccl 6:6 ἀγαθωσύνην). τὴν διαφθοράν experience decay=decay Ac 2:27, 31; 13:35-7 (all Ps 15:10); τ. ἡμέραν (Soph., Oed. R. 831; Aristoph., Pax 345; Polyb. 10, 4, 7; 32, 10, 9; Ael. Aristid. 32 p. 601 D.; Lam 2:16; Jos., Ant. 6, 305): τὴν ἡμέραν τ. ἐμήν J 8:56; μίαν τῶν ἡμερῶν Lk 17:22



William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 221.







4. to experience ⇔ see — to experience something, conceived of as being present during the experience so as to view it



Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).



As seen the context of John 3:3 is speaking of experiencing not believing as you falsely claimed



Observed this well known Calvinist commentary



cannot see—can have no part in (just as one is said to “see life,” “see death,” &c.).



Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 131.



And this Calvinist Greek Scholar



He cannot see the kingdom of God (οὐ δυναται ἰδειν την βασιλειαν του θεου [ou dunatai idein tēn basileian tou theou]). To participate in it as in Luke 9:27. For this use of ἰδειν [idein] (second aorist active infinitive of ὁραω [horaō]) see John 8:51; Rev. 18:7.



A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:3.



And Calvin himself



To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context



John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.



Also other verses using the word see



Luke 2:26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.

John 3:36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 8:51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.

Heb 11:5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.



It is clear an honest handling of this word shows it pertains to experience, to enter, to obtain in John 3:3

 

[Kermos]

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Fatalism/ determinism is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 6:29), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:5-8), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "I chose you out of the world" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes" (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 13:34), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN GOD!!!

 

[civic]

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:5), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 6:29), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:3), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God “he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his works may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:21), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit” (Lord Jesus Christ, John 3:5-8), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "you did not choose Me, but I chose you" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:16)
so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "]I chose you out of the world
(Lord Jesus Christ, John 15:19), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes" (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

You wrote "Your heart makes false statements about God and man", but my heart is the loving Word of God "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another" (Lord Jesus Christ, John 13:34), so your heart calls the Word of God your evil false thing instead of the good Truth (John 14:6).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE SOVEREIGN GOD!!!

Yes fatalism is evil glad you can see it finally.

 

[Kermos]

Yes fatalism is evil glad you can see it finally.

I don't know what you are talking about.

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Fatalism/ determinism is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

You post unsubstantiated statements, there, in your response to post #3,950 that God caused me to post to TomL.

God caused me to extend to you the courtesy of substantively detailing your error in post #3,941 that God caused me to post to you, civic.

@civic, those two posts are separated by a mere 7 posts, and the post to you was posted before the post to TomL.

Yet, you failed to respond to post #3,941 originally to you, civic, but you generated a free-will response to post #3,950 originally to TomL.

For your convenience, here is post #3,941.

The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel. They did not believe it until they physically saw Jesus Resurrected from the dead. They were not born again until the Day of Pentecost which Jesus told them to wait for in the upper room.



Matthew 16:8-11
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?

Mark 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, itcannot defile him;

Mark 8:31-33
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Luke 9:43-45
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

Jesus predicts His death a 3rd time

Luke 18:31-34
Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; 33 they will flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.”
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.


Luke 24:25-26
He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?

John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

John 12:16
At first His disciples did not understand these things, but after Jesus was glorified they remembered what had been done to Him, and they realized that these very things had also been written about Him.

John 13
Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.”

Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

John 16:7
"It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart I will send him unto you."

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Paul and Peter claim they were guided by the Holy Spirit in the writing of new Scripture.


Romans 15:4. 'For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we, through the patience and comfort of the Scripture might have hope. The OT was actually written for Christians and, indeed, for our times! Therefore we should certainly not ignore it.

Colossians 1:25-27 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship of God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to the saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

1Peter 1:10-12.Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied to you of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which have now been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel yo you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven- things that even angels desire to look into.

These passages from Paul and Peter tell us that the OT prophets didn't fully understand their own writings. It is Paul to whom the 'mystery' of Christ has finally been fully revealed and who can fully understand the OT. Because of that we are able to read it in the light of the New Testament revelation. Jesus said it was Him that the scriptures testify to from Genesis through Malachi. John 5:39. These are the Scriptures that testify of Me.' The OT is all about the Lord Jesus Christ and we should expect to find Him in the Law of Moses, the Psalms and the Prophets just as Jesus told His disciples in the gospels.

Revelation is progressive from old to new and we need the new to understand and comprehend the old. We see this in Peters own life how He was transformed after Pentecost and was able at that time forward of proclaim with boldness and understanding the gospel as we read in Acts and his epistles just as Jesus promised to him that He would bring to remembrance all the things He has taught him. The same with John, James and Jude.

hope this helps !!!

Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).
​

Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?

you ask the wrong question with faulty presuppositions - the question is not does God hide or blind some to the truth?

“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!

the real question is why does God blind some and not others ?

you do not know the answer or will deny the answer to that ?

Hear the Word of the Lord:

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.
(Job 38:4)
​

I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[civic]

I don't know what you are talking about.



You post unsubstantiated statements, there, in your response to post #3,950 that God caused me to post to TomL.

God caused me to extend to you the courtesy of substantively detailing your error in post #3,941 that God caused me to post to you, civic.

@civic, those two posts are separated by a mere 7 posts, and the post to you was posted before the post to TomL.

Yet, you failed to respond to post #3,941 originally to you, civic, but you generated a free-will response to post #3,950 originally to TomL.

For your convenience, here is post #3,941.



Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

​

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).​

​

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).​

​

Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?



“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!



Hear the Word of the Lord:

​

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.​

(Job 38:4)​

​

I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

The order of salvation you espouse is unbiblical and not found anywhere in scripture. You fatalism/determinism has it backwards.

Ezekiel 18:30-32
“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!


Notice what comes first


1- Repent , turn away from sin
2- the after you repent you get a new heart/spirit
3- repent then you live, have life- ie new heart, spirit.


John has the same order in in his opening of the gospel and in his purpose statement for writing his gospel.


John 1:12-13
“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Same order as above receive, believe, call on Him then the new birth follows. See also John 5:24;40


John 20:31
“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Once again the order is consistent with the OT- belief/repentance precedes life.

Romans 10:8-13
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Again above we see its hearing the gospel, believing the message , confessing then calling upon the Lord results in salvation.

Acts tells us the same order in Acts 11:18- "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.” Repent precedes life.

Paul confirms the order in Ephesians below as well. Hearing and believing precedes the Holy Spirit that we were sealed with not before belief.

Ephesians 1:13
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit

James and Peter have the same exact order in James 1:18 , 1 Peter 1:23.

See how scripture is consistent when you do not read your doctrine into it but read it objectively, without bias ?

conclusion: as we read in these SALVIFIC passages there is a consistent order.


1- hearing the word, the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- receiving the gospel
4- calling upon the Lord
5- confessing Jesus is Lord
6- resulting in the new birth, born of God, salvation, eternal life

The Biblical Order Salutis

Summary of The Biblical order- notice where new life, regeneration is on the list from Scripture.

1- the preaching of the gospel- Rom 10
2- the hearing of the gospel- Rom 10
3- belief in the gospel- John 1:12
4- receiving the gospel- John 1:12
5- repentance Luke 5:32
6- the new birth that results in #7
7- salvation, eternal life- John 1:13
8- Justification- Rom 8:30
9- Sanctification- Rom 8
10- Glorification Rom 8:30

Jesus also taught that a persons faith comes before they are healed or saved. The saving/healing doesn't come before faith. Calvinism has it just the opposite.

Here is how some would rewrite Jesus words below and add to scripture things that were never said nor implied.

Parenthesis is Calvinism false assertion below that God gives faith. Jesus said it was THEIR faith that saved them.

Luke 7:50
And he said to the woman, Thy faith ( I have given you )hath saved thee; go in peace.

Luke 8:48
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith ( I have given you )has healed you. Go in peace."

Luke 17:19
Then Jesus said to him, "Rise and go; your faith( I have given you ) has made you well!"

Luke 18:42
"Receive your sight!" Jesus replied. "Your faith( I have give you ) has healed you."

Matthew 8:10
When Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those following Him, "Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.

Matthew 8:13
Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! As you have believed, so will it be done for you." And his servant was healed at that very hour.

Matthew 9:2
Just then some men brought to Him a paralytic lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven.

Matthew 9:22
Jesus turned and saw her. "Take courage, daughter," He said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was cured from that very hour.

Matthew 9:29
Then He touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you."

Matthew 15:28
"O woman," Jesus answered, "your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Mark 5:34
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be free of your affliction."

Mark 10:52
"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." And immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

John 4:53
So the father knew that it was at the same hour, in the which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his whole house.

conclusion :you heart makes false statements about Christ ,the gospel and salvation. 3 strikes you are out.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Kermos]

The order of salvation you espouse is unbiblical and not found anywhere in scripture. You fatalism/determinism has it backwards.

Ezekiel 18:30-32
“Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!


Notice what comes first


1- Repent , turn away from sin
2- the after you repent you get a new heart/spirit
3- repent then you live, have life- ie new heart, spirit.


John has the same order in in his opening of the gospel and in his purpose statement for writing his gospel.


John 1:12-13
“Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Same order as above receive, believe, call on Him then the new birth follows. See also John 5:24;40


John 20:31
“But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Once again the order is consistent with the OT- belief/repentance precedes life.

Romans 10:8-13
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the message concerning faith that we proclaim: 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved. 11 As Scripture says, “Anyone who believes in him will never be put to shame.” 12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

Again above we see its hearing the gospel, believing the message , confessing then calling upon the Lord results in salvation.

Acts tells us the same order in Acts 11:18- "So then, God has granted even the Gentiles repentance unto life.” Repent precedes life.

Paul confirms the order in Ephesians below as well. Hearing and believing precedes the Holy Spirit that we were sealed with not before belief.

Ephesians 1:13
“And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit

James and Peter have the same exact order in James 1:18 , 1 Peter 1:23.

See how scripture is consistent when you do not read your doctrine into it but read it objectively, without bias ?

conclusion: as we read in these SALVIFIC passages there is a consistent order.


1- hearing the word, the gospel
2- believing the gospel
3- receiving the gospel
4- calling upon the Lord
5- confessing Jesus is Lord
6- resulting in the new birth, born of God, salvation, eternal life

The Biblical Order Salutis

Summary of The Biblical order- notice where new life, regeneration is on the list from Scripture.

1- the preaching of the gospel- Rom 10
2- the hearing of the gospel- Rom 10
3- belief in the gospel- John 1:12
4- receiving the gospel- John 1:12
5- repentance Luke 5:32
6- the new birth that results in #7
7- salvation, eternal life- John 1:13
8- Justification- Rom 8:30
9- Sanctification- Rom 8
10- Glorification Rom 8:30

Jesus also taught that a persons faith comes before they are healed or saved. The saving/healing doesn't come before faith. Calvinism has it just the opposite.

Here is how some would rewrite Jesus words below and add to scripture things that were never said nor implied.

Parenthesis is Calvinism false assertion below that God gives faith. Jesus said it was THEIR faith that saved them.

Luke 7:50
And he said to the woman, Thy faith ( I have given you )hath saved thee; go in peace.

Luke 8:48
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith ( I have given you )has healed you. Go in peace."

Luke 17:19
Then Jesus said to him, "Rise and go; your faith( I have given you ) has made you well!"

Luke 18:42
"Receive your sight!" Jesus replied. "Your faith( I have give you ) has healed you."

Matthew 8:10
When Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those following Him, "Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith.

Matthew 8:13
Then Jesus said to the centurion, "Go! As you have believed, so will it be done for you." And his servant was healed at that very hour.

Matthew 9:2
Just then some men brought to Him a paralytic lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic, "Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven.

Matthew 9:22
Jesus turned and saw her. "Take courage, daughter," He said, "your faith has healed you." And the woman was cured from that very hour.

Matthew 9:29
Then He touched their eyes and said, "According to your faith will it be done to you."

Matthew 15:28
"O woman," Jesus answered, "your faith is great! Let it be done for you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Mark 5:34
"Daughter," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you. Go in peace and be free of your affliction."

Mark 10:52
"Go," said Jesus, "your faith has healed you." And immediately he received his sight and followed Jesus along the road.

John 4:53
So the father knew that it was at the same hour, in the which Jesus said unto him, Thy son liveth: and himself believed, and his whole house.

conclusion :you heart makes false statements about Christ ,the gospel and salvation. 3 strikes you are out.

hope this helps !!!

You still have not answered the following, in fact, you use your error exposed below to destroy the Word of God's order of salvation in your heart. Your own writings prove your error!

The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel. They did not believe it until they physically saw Jesus Resurrected from the dead. They were not born again until the Day of Pentecost which Jesus told them to wait for in the upper room.



Matthew 16:8-11
Aware of their discussion, Jesus asked, “You of little faith, why are you talking among yourselves about having no bread? 9 Do you still not understand? Don’t you remember the five loaves for the five thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 10 Or the seven loaves for the four thousand, and how many basketfuls you gathered? 11 How is it you don’t understand that I was not talking to you about bread?

Mark 7:18
And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, itcannot defile him;

Mark 8:31-33
He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again. 32 He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”

Luke 9:43-45
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44 “Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.” 45 But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.

Jesus predicts His death a 3rd time

Luke 18:31-34
Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. 32 He will be delivered over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him and spit on him; 33 they will flog him and kill him. On the third day he will rise again.”
34 The disciples did not understand any of this. Its meaning was hidden from them, and they did not know what he was talking about.


Luke 24:25-26
He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26 Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?

John 7:39
By this he meant the Spirit, whom those who believed in him were later to receive. Up to that time the Spirit had not been given, since Jesus had not yet been glorified.

John 12:16
At first His disciples did not understand these things, but after Jesus was glorified they remembered what had been done to Him, and they realized that these very things had also been written about Him.

John 13
Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.”

Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you

John 16:7
"It is expedient for you that I go away; for if I go not away the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart I will send him unto you."

John 16:13
But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

Paul and Peter claim they were guided by the Holy Spirit in the writing of new Scripture.


Romans 15:4. 'For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we, through the patience and comfort of the Scripture might have hope. The OT was actually written for Christians and, indeed, for our times! Therefore we should certainly not ignore it.

Colossians 1:25-27 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship of God which was given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, the mystery which has been hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to the saints. To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles: which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

1Peter 1:10-12.Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied to you of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which have now been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel yo you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven- things that even angels desire to look into.

These passages from Paul and Peter tell us that the OT prophets didn't fully understand their own writings. It is Paul to whom the 'mystery' of Christ has finally been fully revealed and who can fully understand the OT. Because of that we are able to read it in the light of the New Testament revelation. Jesus said it was Him that the scriptures testify to from Genesis through Malachi. John 5:39. These are the Scriptures that testify of Me.' The OT is all about the Lord Jesus Christ and we should expect to find Him in the Law of Moses, the Psalms and the Prophets just as Jesus told His disciples in the gospels.

Revelation is progressive from old to new and we need the new to understand and comprehend the old. We see this in Peters own life how He was transformed after Pentecost and was able at that time forward of proclaim with boldness and understanding the gospel as we read in Acts and his epistles just as Jesus promised to him that He would bring to remembrance all the things He has taught him. The same with John, James and Jude.

hope this helps !!!

Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).
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Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?

you ask the wrong question with faulty presuppositions - the question is not does God hide or blind some to the truth?

“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!

the real question is why does God blind some and not others ?

you do not know the answer or will deny the answer to that ?

Hear the Word of the Lord:

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.
(Job 38:4)
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I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

 

[civic]

You still have not answered the following, in fact, you use your error exposed below to destroy the Word of God's order of salvation in your heart. Your own writings prove your error!



Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

​

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).​

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"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).​

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Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?



“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!



Hear the Word of the Lord:

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Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.​

(Job 38:4)​

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I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

now you are falsely accusing the disciples of being dead in sin- YIKES.

when will you stop insulting God and His word ?

 

[civic]

You still have not answered the following, in fact, you use your error exposed below to destroy the Word of God's order of salvation in your heart. Your own writings prove your error!



Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

​

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).​

​

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).​

​

Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?



“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!



Hear the Word of the Lord:

​

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.​

(Job 38:4)​

​

I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

you ran like see spot run with the verses I used and avoided them like the plague since they EXPOSE your fatalism.

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[civic]

I don't know what you are talking about.



You post unsubstantiated statements, there, in your response to post #3,950 that God caused me to post to TomL.

God caused me to extend to you the courtesy of substantively detailing your error in post #3,941 that God caused me to post to you, civic.

@civic, those two posts are separated by a mere 7 posts, and the post to you was posted before the post to TomL.

Yet, you failed to respond to post #3,941 originally to you, civic, but you generated a free-will response to post #3,950 originally to TomL.

For your convenience, here is post #3,941.



Praise Lord Jesus! Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13 were verses posted by you.

The Lord Jesus Christ prevented me from responding to you with passages like Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13, yet I wanted to share the concepts represented in these verses, but God assured me that His Hand would be evident.

Now, God revealed God's purpose in causing me not to post verses such as Matthew 16:8-11, John 7:39, John 12:16, John 13:7, John 14:26, John 16:7, and John 16:13.

You wrote "The disciples did not understand many things which includes the gospel".

Also, you wrote "Jesus promised the disciples He would bring to their remembrance when Pentecost came and the Holy Spirit would be in them and guide them into all truth".

The combination of your two writings, there, culminate in the following conveyance:

​

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).​

​

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).​

​

Behold, you worked very hard to arrive precisely where God had me post to you in the post to which you replied.

@civic, God causes me to ask you again, where is your answer to God's question as presented in the following?



“I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to babes” (Lord Jesus Christ, Matthew 11:25).

You believe not the Word of God!



Hear the Word of the Lord:

​

Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you have understanding.​

(Job 38:4)​

​

I'm ready for a response to this question, civic.

Answer, you wise and intelligent one.

A dead in sin person cannot righteously perceive King Jesus of the Kingdom of God unless that dead in sin person is born anew by God because thus says King Jesus "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the Kingdom of God" (John 3:3).

"The dead do not praise the LORD" (Psalm 115:17).

Your heart makes false statements about God and man. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in man's salvation and affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD JESUS CHRIST!!!

you have no clue what the Bible teaches about the new birth/born again- your fatalism blinds you to the truth below.

John 3 the context, Jesus teaching and His argument used with Nicodemus. Jesus main focus is on the Atonement. Jesus is dealing with the sin issue.

This is the cultural context in which this dialogue between a leading Jew and Jesus takes place. Jesus is correcting two fundamental misconceptions of the Jewish understanding of salvation. They will not inherit the Kingdom of God unconditionally. They must be changed. They must be reborn. This change does not take place corporately but individually, “No one [individual] can see” or “enter” the Kingdom of God without first being reborn. The Kingdom of God is not unconditionally guaranteed to them. They cannot enter the Kingdom until their sin has been dealt with, for the Kingdom of God is a holy Kingdom. There is need for real atonement before one can enter into the life of God’s Kingdom. Since sin brings death “you must be born again”. How does this happen? Nicodemus asks Jesus this same question in verse 9, “how can this be?”

Jesus quickly directs Nicodemus to the necessity of atonement. He says in verses 14 and 15, “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.” So how does one attain the new life necessary for seeing and entering the Kingdom of God? He must look to the lifted up Messiah and believe in him. While Calvinists lay great stress on the analogy of spiritual birth with physical birth, they virtually ignore the implications involved with the analogy of the bronze serpent that Jesus specifically used to answer Nicodemus’ question of how one becomes born again (vs. 9).

The Israelites in the desert were dying from the deadly venom of snake bites. The only way they could escape certain death was to look to the bronze serpent that God had provided for their healing. Those Israelites were dying until they fixed their gaze on the bronze snake. Jesus correlates this “looking” to the snake with “believing”. When someone believes in Christ the blood of atonement is applied, the curse of sin and death is broken, and new life begins. If the Calvinistic interpretation of John3:3, 6 is correct then Jesus chose a poor analogy to explain to Nicodemus how the new life begins. If their view is correct then we must also believe that the Israelites in the desert were not given life as a result of fixing their gaze on the bronze serpent, but were rather first given life so that they could then look to [or “see”] the serpent. In this view they looked to the serpent because they had already been cured of the venom’s deadly effects. They would not have looked to the serpent to secure life; they would have looked to the serpent because they had already been given life. I would venture to say that no Calvinist believes that the Israelites looked to the bronze serpent because they had already been cured and given life. Since this is the illustration that Christ chose to explain the nature of his atonement and the means by which we attain life, it is absurd to believe that Jesus was teaching that the new birth precedes faith in John 3:3, 6. Consider the parallels,

The Bronze Snake:

The Israelites had to look to the bronze serpent to escape the deadly effects of the venom and experience life, “Anyone who is bitten can look at [the serpent] and live…when anyone was bitten by a snake and looked at the bronze snake they lived.” [Numbers 21:8, 9]

The Crucified Messiah:

Only those who look to the Messiah’s atonement by faith in His blood will escape the deadly effects of sin and experience new life, “Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the desert, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life. For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son [as a necessary atonement], that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life.” [Jn. 3:14-16]

Rather than allowing Jesus to explain His own teaching, the Calvinist wants to “explain” what Jesus meant before He does. If we want to understand what Jesus meant by His comments in John 3:3, 6, we only need to keep reading. If we can resist the temptation to read our theology into his comments we will soon discover that one is born again by believing in Christ and thereby appropriating the benefits of His atonement. Only after the blood of the “lifted up” Messiah is applied through faith can one begin to experience the eternal life that begins at the new birth.

When Jesus said that no one can “see” or “enter” the Kingdom of God unless that person was born again, He was teaching the necessity of the application of His atoning work. Only when sin is dealt with in the life of the individual can that person experience life and move into the sphere of God’s holy Kingdom. Jesus made it clear that the soul cleansing benefits of His atoning work are given only to those who “believe” in Him.

Nicodemus may have walked away confused and frustrated but Jesus perfectly explained to him why the Jewish view of salvation was inadequate. The only way for anyone, Jew or Gentile, to attain the life of the Messianic Kingdom is for them to personally put their faith in the atoning work of the Messiah. While John 3:3 and 6, when read in the context of the entire chapter, lends further weight to the Arminian view, it fails as a proof text for the Calvinistic doctrine of regeneration preceding faith.https://arminianperspectives.wordpress.com/2007/08/20/does-jesus-teach-that-regeneration-precedes-faith-in-john-33-6/

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

continued below :

The new birth and the gospel.


Born of Water John 3

John 3:1-7. Lets look at the context of Jesus interaction with Nicodemus. All human beings have experienced natural birth on earth, if they expect to go to heaven, they must experience a supernatural spiritual birth from above. Nicodemus was a well educated religious leader who did not understand what the Saviour was talking about. Jesus was speaking about a spiritual birth, but Nicodemus thought of a physical birth.

The situation is no different today When you talk with people about being born again, they often begin to discuss their family's religious heritage, their church membership, religious ceremonies like baptism etc....Jesus being a patient teacher picked up on Nicodemus' words and further explained the new birth. To be "born of water" is to be born physically ("enter a second time into his mother's womb") but to be born again means to be born of the Spirit. Just as there are two parents for physical birth, so there are two for spiritual birth: the Spirit of God (John 3:5) and the Word of God (James 1:18; 1 Peter 1:23-25). The Spirit of God takes the Word of God and, when the sinner believes, imparts the life of God.Jesus was not teaching that the new birth comes through water baptism. In the NT baptism is connected with death, not birth and no amount of physical water can cause a spiritual change in a person.

The emphasis in John 3:14-21 is on believing, because salvation comes through faith. John 1:12-13 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

Understanding Jesus teaching in John 3 on Born Again !

John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”
9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked
10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things?

So lets go through this point by point.

1- to enter the kingdom of God a person must be born again( a 2nd time)
2- flesh gives birth to flesh ( 1st birth )
3- the Spirit gives birth to spirit( 2nd birth )
4- the wind(spirit) blows wherever IT pleases
5- we hear the sound of the wind but do not know where it is coming from or going to
6- the same with the Spirit( we see its effects but not its coming or going)
7- the spirit is the same as the wind- it does as it pleases and we see its effects in both the natural(wind) and supernatural ( spirit)
8- God causes us to be born again
9- the new birth is compared to the physical birth just as the wind is compared to the spirits work
10- in both cases of birth God is the Active One and the one who is birthed is passive in the process.

There can be no other reading into the text but what has been outlined in the 10 points. Those 10 points are directly from the text.

Now The PARALLELS and CONTRASTS Jesus makes in the passage are the following 10 by reading through and observing the passage :

1- the 2 births
2- the wind and the spirit
3- flesh and the spirit
4- water and spirit
5- earthly and heavenly things
6- effects of both the wind and spirit
7- the seen with the unseen
8- the physical with the supernatural
9- knowing and not knowing, understanding and not understanding
10- entering the kingdom and not entering the kingdom

summary- just as flesh gives birth to flesh( 1st birth as a person) so to does the Spirit give birth to the spirit(the new birth- born again)

Ezekiel 18 declares : “a NEW SPIRIT I WILL (future) put WITHIN them…” These predictions mean that even Ezekiel was not regenerated, nor was any man prior to Ezekiel. And Ezekiel lived near the end of the OT time period. Scripture talks about 2 kinds of life. Physical and Spiritual. What other “kind of life” does the Bible talk about other than the life we are given in the flesh when we are born of the flesh, and eternal life which we are given when we are born of the Spirit? There is no other “kind of life” taught about in the Bible. When a man is born of the eternal Spirit, by the eternal Word of God, he is given eternal life. A man is regenerated when He is made alive with Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:5). Can a man be “made alive with Jesus Christ” apart from having Jesus Christ dwelling in him? Also, Paul explicitly states, “You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD DWELL IN YOU. And if any man HAVE NOT THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST HE IS NONE OF HIS.” (Rom. 8:9). We are born again THROUGH THE RESURRECTION OF JESUS CHRIST FROM THE DEAD (1Peter 1:3). Can a man be born again through the resurrection of Jesus Christ before Jesus Christ actually rose again from the dead? No so Jesus in John 3 was not talking about spiritual life in the OT but the promise of the Spirit that would come at Pentecost when His spirit would be poured out upon all who believe in Him and become born again children of God from the preaching of the gospel and receiving Him as Lord.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

the gospel continued:

And there is One Gospel

Galatians 1:6
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

So since there is only One God, One Savior, One way to God through Christ, One faith, One baptism and One Gospel- there is only one way to be saved.

Paul defines that Gospel by which we are saved below:

1 Corinthians 15:1-19
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

Only One way to be saved, by One Person, One Gospel and One Faith. In Him alone. Scripture is really very exclusive here but inclusive to all that come to Him freely!

And Paul received this gospel directly from Christ by personal revelation

Galatians 1:11-12
I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

This gospel is Eternal !

Revelation 14:6
Then I saw another angel flying overhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation and tribe and tongue and people

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Jesus passed on the gospel to His Disciples. Its the same Gospel but Christ had not suffered, died, risen yet. The disciples didn't understand the Passion until after His Resurrection, they were in denial.

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7,19

After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. — John 2:22

From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. — Matthew 16:21

Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!” — Matthew 20:17-19

After His Resurrection

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. — Luke 24:25-27

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures. — Luke 24:44-45

Are you teaching others the one true Gospel ?

Ones salvation depends upon the one true gospel !

Gospel Summary

1- Jesus died for our sins according to the scriptures
2- Jesus was buried , in a guarded tomb
3- Jesus was raised from the dead, resurrected on the 3rd day bodily
4- Jesus was seen by many witnesses over 40 days before His Ascension and last of all appeared to Paul after His Ascension.

Jesus died for the sin of the world as the Lamb of God who taketh them away ( John 1:29 ) and Rose from the dead as the only sign He would give an unbelieving people who rejected Him proving He was the promised Messiah who had the power over sin, death/grave and the devil having been raised from the dead conquering them all. The gospel is a historical fact verified by many witnesses. The biblical principle of letting every fact be confirmed by the testimony of 2 or 3 witnesses. This gospel is for all the world, for all sinners to come freely and receive the forgiveness of their sins by the atonement He made for ALL the WORLD as per 1 John 2:2.

John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

John 3:16-18
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

John 20:30-31
Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Do you believe this gospel ?

The gospel is Christological or Christ centered. The message is about Jesus. So, the question becomes one of identity.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

now watch @Kermos avoid it like the plague with his usual unbiblical fatalistic cut n paste the same post ad naseum.

 

[synergy]

you ran like see spot run with the verses I used and avoided them like the plague since they EXPOSE your fatalism.

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Exactly! Notice @Kermos' words to quickly run away from dealing with the dozen or so verses you presented to him.

You still have not answered the following,

Instead, he claims that God is directing him. He's listening to voices in his head.