An Article on free will

Jesus just answered Nicodemus, who asked how can these things be (how can one be born again)

No, no, no. Nicodemus asked "He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”

So Jesus was required by law to answer how you can enter a second time into your mother's womb. He didn't answer, "no, he can't." So, apparently you need the wind to blow you into your mother's womb.

That is, after all, how questions and answers work, right? (See: "This is the work of God...")
 
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No, no, no. Nicodemus asked "He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”

So Jesus was required by law to answer how you can enter a second time into your mother's womb. He didn't answer, "no, he can't." So, apparently you need the wind to blow you into your mother's womb.

That is, after all, how questions and answers work, right? (See: "This is the work of God...")
you have made nonsense out of John 3. its incoherent at best.
 
Free will is not free, but a slave,

Not until a person is set free by Christs Liberating death, man isnt free but a slave to sin Jn 8 34-36

34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

We by nature are servants of sin Rom 6:17-18

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Notice the order here in Vs 18 #1 being made free then #2 becoming the servants of righteousness which basically means became a believer in Jesus.
 
Excellent summation of the free-willer man-centered religion.

Amen.

I find it astonishing, Rogue Tomato, that @TomL points at John 3:9-15 to say that a man chooses to believe in Jesus which then forces God to make the man become born again by God, yet the John 3:3-8 immediately preceding portion of the self-same discourse establishes that born again precedes believe over the course of John 3:3-15!

Therefore, we find TomL's heart treasure inverts the order such that for free-willians John 3:9-15 precedes John 3:3-8.

This isn't the first time TomL inverted a passage to arrive at his faulty free-willian philosophy that faith precedes born of God. TomL inverted the order in John 1:12, too.

For the purposes of our correspondence, inverted or perverted, either word works for the free-willers.

In John 3:3-8, the Word of God declares that God must first cause a person to be born of God in order for a person to see/perceive/believe King Jesus of the Kingdom of God, and the Word of God immediately proceeds in John 3:9-15 to declare the resultant effect for the born of God person which is to believe in Christ.

The implication of this for John 3:16 is that God causes the born of God person to believe in Christ.

The hearts of Free-willian Philosophers bludgeon the Word of God recorded in John 3:16 by wickedly isolating this Word of God from his larger contiguous discourse in John 3:3-21 which not only initiates with God's control over the salvation of man but it also culminates with God's control over the salvation and sanctification of man with "he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).
 
I find it astonishing, Rogue Tomato, that @TomL points at John 3:9-15 to say that a man chooses to believe in Jesus which then forces God to make the man become born again by God, yet the John 3:3-8 immediately preceding portion of the self-same discourse establishes that born again precedes believe over the course of John 3:3-15!

Therefore, we find TomL's heart treasure inverts the order such that for free-willians John 3:9-15 precedes John 3:3-8.

This isn't the first time TomL inverted a passage to arrive at his faulty free-willian philosophy that faith precedes born of God. TomL inverted the order in John 1:12, too.

For the purposes of our correspondence, inverted or perverted, either word works for the free-willers.

In John 3:3-8, the Word of God declares that God must first cause a person to be born of God in order for a person to see/perceive/believe King Jesus of the Kingdom of God, and the Word of God immediately proceeds in John 3:9-15 to declare the resultant effect for the born of God person which is to believe in Christ.

The implication of this for John 3:16 is that God causes the born of God person to believe in Christ.

The hearts of Free-willian Philosophers bludgeon the Word of God recorded in John 3:16 by wickedly isolating this Word of God from his larger contiguous discourse in John 3:3-21 which not only initiates with God's control over the salvation of man but it also culminates with God's control over the salvation and sanctification of man with "he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21).
If you were able to read in context with comprehension you would easily observe your the falsity of your claim. You would also see that the text of john John 3:3-8 says nothing at all about believing. As typical your theology must redefine terms to support itself

John 3:3 (KJV 1900) — 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


5. see someth.=experience someth. (Ps 26:13); good days 1 Pt 3:10 (Ps 33:13; τ. βασιλείαν J 3:3. θάνατον see death=die Lk 2:26; Hb 11:5 (cf. Ps 88:49; Anth. Pal. 6, 230 ἰδεῖν Ἀίδην); grief Rv 18:7 (cf. 1 Macc 13:3 τὰς στενοχωρίας; Eccl 6:6 ἀγαθωσύνην). τὴν διαφθοράν experience decay=decay Ac 2:27, 31; 13:35-7 (all Ps 15:10); τ. ἡμέραν (Soph., Oed. R. 831; Aristoph., Pax 345; Polyb. 10, 4, 7; 32, 10, 9; Ael. Aristid. 32 p. 601 D.; Lam 2:16; Jos., Ant. 6, 305): τὴν ἡμέραν τ. ἐμήν J 8:56; μίαν τῶν ἡμερῶν Lk 17:22

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 221.



4. to experience ⇔ see — to experience something, conceived of as being present during the experience so as to view it

Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).

As seen the context of John 3:3 is speaking of experiencing not believing as you falsely claimed

Observed this well known Calvinist commentary

cannot see—can have no part in (just as one is said to “see life,” “see death,” &c.).

Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (vol. 2; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 131.

And this Calvinist Greek Scholar

He cannot see the kingdom of God (οὐ δυναται ἰδειν την βασιλειαν του θεου [ou dunatai idein tēn basileian tou theou]). To participate in it as in Luke 9:27. For this use of ἰδειν [idein] (second aorist active infinitive of ὁραω [horaō]) see John 8:51; Rev. 18:7.

A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament (Nashville, TN: Broadman Press, 1933), Jn 3:3.

And Calvin himself

To SEE the kingdom of God is of the same meaning as to ENTER INTO the kingdom of God, as we shall immediately perceive from the context

John Calvin and William Pringle, Commentary on the Gospel according to John (vol. 1; Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2010), 108.

Also other verses using the word see

Luke 2:26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord’s Christ.
John 3:36He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John 8:51Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
Heb 11:5By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

It is clear an honest handling of this word shows it pertains to experience, to enter, to obtain

Only by mistranslating and changing the meaning of words can you hold to your doctrine
 
No, no, no. Nicodemus asked "He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?”

So Jesus was required by law to answer how you can enter a second time into your mother's womb. He didn't answer, "no, he can't." So, apparently you need the wind to blow you into your mother's womb.

That is, after all, how questions and answers work, right? (See: "This is the work of God...")
Why do you ignore

John 3:9–16 (KJV 1900) — 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
PS, your interpretation of John 6:29 has been roundly refuted


Your refusal to receive correction does not make your erroneous claim true
 
Wrong all that believe are given the power to become the children of god

John 1:12 (ESV) — 12 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,

Children is tekna (borns ones)

All that believe are given the right to become born ones of God


it is regeneration which makes one Child of God born from above or born again

(5) The “children of God.”—Those who are “begotten of God” are ipso facto “children of God” (tékna theoú, Jn 1:12; 11:52; 1 Jn 3:1, 2, 10; 5:2).1

1 R. Law, “Johannine, Theology, The,” ed. James Orr et al., The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (Chicago: The Howard-Severance Company, 1915), 1703.



CHILDREN OF GOD. Persons in this category are only those who of the fallen race are regenerated as a result of faith in Christ1

1 Merrill F. Unger, “Children of God,” ed. R.K. Harrison, The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary (Chicago: Moody Press, 1988).

Children of God (tekna theou). In the full spiritual sense, not as mere offspring of God true of all men (Acts 17:28). Paul's phrase huioi theou (Galatians 3:26) for believers, used also by Jesus of the pure in heart (Matthew 5:9), does not occur in John's Gospel (but in Rev. 21:7). It is possible that John prefers ta tekna tou theou for the spiritual children of God whether Jew or Gentile (John 11:52) because of the community of nature (teknon from root tek-, to beget). But one cannot follow Westcott in insisting on "adoption" as Paul's reason for the use of huioi since Jesus uses huioi theou in Matthew 5:9. Clearly the idea of regeneration is involved here as in John 3:3.
A.T, Robertson Word Pictures in the New Testament.

Vincent agrees





Sons (τέκνα)



Rev., more correctly, children. Son is υἱός. Τέκνον, child (τίκτω, to bring forth), denotes a relation based on community of nature
Word Studies in the New Testament.



nope God causes man to be born again when they receive Christ

it is man actively receiving Christ

Man does not even get the right to that until he recieves Christ

That right is conferred upon reception of Christ

And as the right precedes the granting the reception of Christ precedes the being born again

Paul shows this to be the case

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.



That speaks of the act of regeneration

Men who believe are regenerated as unbelief does not benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

and Paul already informed

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.





sorry try again

The gospel presentation clearly precedes the being born of god

for as we saw

Men who believe are regenerated as unbelief does not benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

and Paul already informed

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.




sorry you are the source of the only deception here

It is through the gospel men are born again

not in unbelief for

nbelief does not benefit

Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

and Paul already informed

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.






Sorry you have been twisting that verse as even other calvinists show

John Calvin: “People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us.” (The Crossway Classic Commentaries: John; Crossway Books; Wheaton, IL; 1994, p.393)

This is the work of God. This is the thing that will be acceptable to God, or which you are to do in order to be saved. Jesus did not tell them they had nothing to do, or that they were to sit down and wait, but that there was a work to perform, and that was a duty that was imperative. It was to believe on the Messiah. This is the work which sinners are to do; and doing this they will be saved, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth, Ro. 10:4.11 Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 244.

Verse 29
5. Men torment themselves in vain when they try to please God without faith.
g. That is, this is the work that God requires, that you believe in me, and therefore he calls them back to faith.


Geneva Bible Notes (1599). (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2003), Jn 6:28–29.

Your anti-contextual interpretation was clearly refuted here




Jesus just answered Nicodemus, who asked how can these things be (how can one be born again)

His answer is to believe

John 3:14–15 (KJV 1900) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.


You must pretend Jesus did not answer his question and twist the scriptures repeating the same refuted arguments

Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
Wrong all that believe are given the power to become the children of god
Children is tekna (borns ones)
All that believe are given the right to become born ones of God
it is regeneration which makes one Child of God born from above or born again
is your preaching that "regeneration" is a function of the unborn.

The unborn do not cause themselves to be born, so your own interpretation is false based on the first point.

The term regeneration directly denotes "generated anew" and "renew", so you have John 1:12 backwards because you have the old man causing God to renew the old man into the new man despite the Apostle Paul writing "We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4, see also Ephesians 4:20-24 and Romans 7:6).

You preach "regeneration" means "one ... born from above or born again" which is a valid definition, but you confusingly contradict yourself in that you preach an unborn dead man in sin (Ephesians 2:1) transforms himself into the realm of the Living God by controlling the Holy God of all creation according to the self-willed "receive"/"believe" of the unborn dead man, so your spirit's preaching is rejection of the Holy Spirit of Christ's sayings of "he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21), and the Apostle John's writing (John 1:12) is in accord with the Lord Jesus as revealed in the below.

Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
nope God causes man to be born again when they receive Christ
it is man actively receiving Christ
Man does not even get the right to that until he recieves Christ
That right is conferred upon reception of Christ
And as the right precedes the granting the reception of Christ precedes the being born again
are false because the Apostle John's testimony is that the primary foundational point for being saved is "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8).

In Truth (John 14:6), God causes man to receive Christ because the definition of received in John 1:12 is "joyfully to be seized by", so your testimony is false.

Your heart's treasure quoted there results in man's choice to receive Christ as being the driving factor that forces God to cause man to be born again.

Your heart nullifies John 1:10-11 and John 1:13 in order for your heart to place the primary foundational point onto "receive", so your own interpretation is false.

Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
Paul shows this to be the case
Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
is false because the same Paul declared that the faith/belief mentioned in Galatians 3:26 is the work of God with:
by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast for we are His work
so Paul says God causes man to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent!

And Paul is in agreement with the Apostle John who says that man's belief/faith is caused by the Father as a result of God birthing man anew with:
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him, but as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God
so John says God causes man to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent!

John started very broad in John 1:10 until John finished very narrowly in John 1:13 with God being the cause of "born" (John 1:13) and "believe" (John 1:12) and "children" (John 1:12) and "received" (John 1:12) for every person regenerated by God and this does not include every person in the "world".

And both Apostles are in accord with the Lord Jesus who says man believing in Jesus is the work of Almighty God with:
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent
so for any person to claim that man manipulates his own belief to point at Jesus - then that man is anti-truth.

You are out of accord with all these wonderful Apostolic Testimony of Ephesians 2:8-10, John 1:10-13, and John 6:29 because you believe:
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him, but as many as WORKED THE FIRST STEP TO GRAB KING Him, to them He ALLOWED THEIR SECOND STEP TO CAUSE THEMSELVES to become children of God, even to those who AS THEIR THIRD STEP CHOSE IN THEIR OWN SELF-WILL TO believe in His name, who were AS THE FOURTH STEP born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God BECAUSE OF THE FIRST STEP AND THE THIRD STEP
(the culmination of TomL's heart treasure (Matthew 15:16-19))​

TomL, you have the people becoming born again twice, just look at the SECOND STEP and the FOURTH STEP, so you have a very confused Free-willian Philosophy (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Your adulteration to James 1:18 of "Men who believe are regenerated as unbelief does not benefit" results in a new thing "Of his own will he brought us ACCORDING TO OUR OWN WILL BELIEVING the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (TomL 1:18) instead of the Holy Scriptures "Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (James 1:18).

A wonderful Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) is that the author of the book of Hebrews wrote that Lord Jesus is "the Author and Perfecter of the faith" (Hebrews 12:2), so the "faith" mentioned in Hebrews 4:2 states not that those people cause themselves to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent because the author of Hebrews is in accord with the Word of God "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29), but your heart nullifies this Word of God by transforming the Word of God into "This is NOT the work of God BUT THIS IS THE WORK OF MAN, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (TomL 6:29). Your heart's treasure is that "TomL is the author and perfecter of TomL's faith, not God, but TomL is" (TomL 12:2).

TomL, are you so feeble intellectually that you forgot your heart's treasure is "God causes to be born again those who believe /those who receive Christ" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #799), yet my heart's treasure in Truth (John 14:6) is that God causes saving belief in every Christian which means that God causes every Christian to receive Christ and that the Word of God is salvation and sanctification? You show signs of intellectual loss as manifested in your switching to "It is through the gospel men are born again".

1 Corinthians 4:15 says not that man's believing is caused by man much less that man's believing precedes man being born of God, so you adulterate "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel" (1 Corinthians 4:15) into "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you BY YOUR WAY OF YOUR OWN INITIATIVE JUDGING RIGHT TO CAUSE YOURSELF TO BELIEVE the gospel" (1 TomL 4:15).

1 Peter 1:23–25 says not that man's believing is caused by man much less that man's believing precedes man being born of God, so your own interpretation is deception.

John 3:9–15 says not that man's believing is caused by man much less that man's believing precedes man being born of God, in fact, every single mention of saving faith (believe) in John 3:9-15 is governed by the Christ of us Christians saying “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29), but you heart adulterates the very Word of God into your own interpretation of:
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye CAUSE YOURSELF TO believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven EXCEPT MEN WHO JUDGE RIGHT IN THEIR OWN INITIATIVE TO BELIEVE IN ME AND he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever CHOOSES TO believeth in him should not perish BECAUSE WHOSOEVER FORCED GOD TO CAUSE WHOSOEVER TO BE BORN AGAIN AND have eternal life.
(the word of TomL (no longer the Word of God))​

Jesus answered Nicodemus by telling Nicodemus that Nicodemus must believe in Jesus according to the Power of God with both sayings and all the sayings in between “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3) and “he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (John 3:21), but you do not receive these sayings of Lord Jesus thus demoting Jesus who says “he who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE LORD JESUS!!!
 
Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
Wrong all that believe are given the power to become the children of god
Children is tekna (borns ones)
All that believe are given the right to become born ones of God
it is regeneration which makes one Child of God born from above or born again
is your preaching that "regeneration" is a function of the unborn.

The unborn do not cause themselves to be born, so your own interpretation is false based on the first point.

The term regeneration directly denotes "generated anew" and "renew", so you have John 1:12 backwards because you have the old man causing God to renew the old man into the new man despite the Apostle Paul writing "We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4, see also Ephesians 4:20-24 and Romans 7:6).

You preach "regeneration" means "one ... born from above or born again" which is a valid definition, but you confusingly contradict yourself in that you preach an unborn dead man in sin (Ephesians 2:1) transforms himself into the realm of the Living God by controlling the Holy God of all creation according to the self-willed "receive"/"believe" of the unborn dead man, so your spirit's preaching is rejection of the Holy Spirit of Christ's sayings of "he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21), and the Apostle John's writing (John 1:12) is in accord with the Lord Jesus as revealed in the below.

Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
nope God causes man to be born again when they receive Christ
it is man actively receiving Christ
Man does not even get the right to that until he recieves Christ
That right is conferred upon reception of Christ
And as the right precedes the granting the reception of Christ precedes the being born again
are false because the Apostle John's testimony is that the primary foundational point for being saved is "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8).

In Truth (John 14:6), God causes man to receive Christ because the definition of received in John 1:12 is "joyfully to be seized by", so your testimony is false.

Your heart's treasure quoted there results in man's choice to receive Christ as being the driving factor that forces God to cause man to be born again.

Your heart nullifies John 1:10-11 and John 1:13 in order for your heart to place the primary foundational point onto "receive", so your own interpretation is false.

Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
Paul shows this to be the case
Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
is false because the same Paul declared that the faith/belief mentioned in Galatians 3:26 is the work of God with:
by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast for we are His work
so Paul says God causes man to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent!

And Paul is in agreement with the Apostle John who says that man's belief/faith is caused by the Father as a result of God birthing man anew with:
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him, but as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God
so John says God causes man to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent!

John started very broad in John 1:10 until John finished very narrowly in John 1:13 with God being the cause of "born" (John 1:13) and "believe" (John 1:12) and "children" (John 1:12) and "received" (John 1:12) for every person regenerated by God and this does not include every person in the "world".

And both Apostles are in accord with the Lord Jesus who says man believing in Jesus is the work of Almighty God with:
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent
so for any person to claim that man manipulates his own belief to point at Jesus - then that man is anti-truth.

You are out of accord with all these wonderful Apostolic Testimony of Ephesians 2:8-10, John 1:10-13, and John 6:29 because you believe:
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him, but as many as WORKED THE FIRST STEP TO GRAB KING Him, to them He ALLOWED THEIR SECOND STEP TO CAUSE THEMSELVES to become children of God, even to those who AS THEIR THIRD STEP CHOSE IN THEIR OWN SELF-WILL TO believe in His name, who were AS THE FOURTH STEP born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God BECAUSE OF THE FIRST STEP AND THE THIRD STEP
(the culmination of TomL's heart treasure (Matthew 15:16-19))​

TomL, you have the people becoming born again twice, just look at the SECOND STEP and the FOURTH STEP, so you have a very confused Free-willian Philosophy (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Your adulteration to James 1:18 of "Men who believe are regenerated as unbelief does not benefit" results in a new thing "Of his own will he brought us ACCORDING TO OUR OWN WILL BELIEVING the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (TomL 1:18) instead of the Holy Scriptures "Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures" (James 1:18).

A wonderful Spiritual Truth (John 14:6) is that the author of the book of Hebrews wrote that Lord Jesus is "the Author and Perfecter of the faith" (Hebrews 12:2), so the "faith" mentioned in Hebrews 4:2 states not that those people cause themselves to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent because the author of Hebrews is in accord with the Word of God "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (John 6:29), but your heart nullifies this Word of God by transforming the Word of God into "This is NOT the work of God BUT THIS IS THE WORK OF MAN, that you believe in Him whom He has sent" (TomL 6:29). Your heart's treasure is that "TomL is the author and perfecter of TomL's faith, not God, but TomL is" (TomL 12:2).

TomL, are you so feeble intellectually that you forgot your heart's treasure is "God causes to be born again those who believe /those who receive Christ" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #799), yet my heart's treasure in Truth (John 14:6) is that God causes saving belief in every Christian which means that God causes every Christian to receive Christ and that the Word of God is salvation and sanctification? You show signs of intellectual loss as manifested in your switching to "It is through the gospel men are born again".

1 Corinthians 4:15 says not that man's believing is caused by man much less that man's believing precedes man being born of God, so you adulterate "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel" (1 Corinthians 4:15) into "For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you BY YOUR WAY OF YOUR OWN INITIATIVE JUDGING RIGHT TO CAUSE YOURSELF TO BELIEVE the gospel" (1 TomL 4:15).

1 Peter 1:23–25 says not that man's believing is caused by man much less that man's believing precedes man being born of God, so your own interpretation is deception.

John 3:9–15 says not that man's believing is caused by man much less that man's believing precedes man being born of God, in fact, every single mention of saving faith (believe) in John 3:9-15 is governed by the Christ of us Christians saying “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent” (John 6:29), but you heart adulterates the very Word of God into your own interpretation of:
Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye CAUSE YOURSELF TO believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven EXCEPT MEN WHO JUDGE RIGHT IN THEIR OWN INITIATIVE TO BELIEVE IN ME AND he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever CHOOSES TO believeth in him should not perish BECAUSE WHOSOEVER FORCED GOD TO CAUSE WHOSOEVER TO BE BORN AGAIN AND have eternal life.
(the word of TomL (no longer the Word of God))​

Jesus answered Nicodemus by telling Nicodemus that Nicodemus must believe in Jesus according to the Power of God with both sayings and all the sayings in between “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God” (John 3:3) and “he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God” (John 3:21), but you do not receive these sayings of Lord Jesus thus demoting Jesus who says “he who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day" (John 12:48).

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE LORD JESUS!!!
Context of John 1:13 the new birth comes from the preceding verse.

To as many who have RECEIVED and BELIEVED. Receiving and believing come BEFORE verse 13 where the new birth that comes from God.

God births those who believe and receive the Son.

Stop making false statements about Gods word and the gospel. You make void the word of God by your traditions (calvinism) which is the vain and empty philosophy of man ( Colossians 2:8 )

hope this helps !!!
 
Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
Wrong all that believe are given the power to become the children of god
Children is tekna (borns ones)
All that believe are given the right to become born ones of God
it is regeneration which makes one Child of God born from above or born again
is your preaching that "regeneration" is a function of the unborn.

The unborn do not cause themselves to be born, so your own interpretation is false based on the first point.
You speak out of confusion. Reception of Christ does not cause you to be born of God by your own power. God does this when you receive Christ

As Paul confirmed

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

One becomes a child of God by regeneration

it is regeneration which makes one Child of God born from above or born again

(5) The “children of God.”—Those who are “begotten of God” are ipso facto “children of God” (tékna theoú, Jn 1:12; 11:52; 1 Jn 3:1, 2, 10; 5:2).1

1 R. Law, “Johannine, Theology, The,” ed. James Orr et al., The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (Chicago: The Howard-Severance Company, 1915), 1703.

CHILDREN OF GOD. Persons in this category are only those who of the fallen race are regenerated as a result of faith in Christ1

1 Merrill F. Unger, “Children of God,” ed. R.K. Harrison, The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary (Chicago: Moody Press, 1988).

Children of God (tekna theou). In the full spiritual sense, not as mere offspring of God true of all men (Acts 17:28). Paul's phrase huioi theou (Galatians 3:26) for believers, used also by Jesus of the pure in heart (Matthew 5:9), does not occur in John's Gospel (but in Rev. 21:7). It is possible that John prefers ta tekna tou theou for the spiritual children of God whether Jew or Gentile (John 11:52) because of the community of nature (teknon from root tek-, to beget). But one cannot follow Westcott in insisting on "adoption" as Paul's reason for the use of huioi since Jesus uses huioi theou in Matthew 5:9. Clearly the idea of regeneration is involved here as in John 3:3.
A.T, Robertson Word Pictures in the New Testament.

Vincent agrees

Sons (τέκνα) Rev., more correctly, children. Son is υἱός. Τέκνον, child (τίκτω, to bring forth), denotes a relation based on community of nature
Word Studies in the New Testament.

All who receive Christ are given that right

You did nothing to refute that




The term regeneration directly denotes "generated anew" and "renew", so you have John 1:12 backwards because you have the old man causing God to renew the old man into the new man despite the Apostle Paul writing "We were therefore buried with Him through baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may walk in newness of life" (Romans 6:4, see also Ephesians 4:20-24 and Romans 7:6).
Um to regenerate is to impart new life

Although the word regeneration is used only twice in the Bible (Titus 3:5, where it refers to the new birth, and Mt 19:28 where it refers to the millennial kingdom), the concept of being born again is found in other passages, notably John 3. Technically, it is God’s act of begetting eternal life in the one who believes in Christ.
A survey of bible doctrine

(6) spiritual or eternal life, a state of regeneration or renewal in holiness and fellowship with God (John 3:15–16, 36; 5:24; 6:47); (7) the life that is in Christ and God—divine life itself (John 1:4; 1 John 1:1–2; 5:11).[2]

Evangelical dictionary of theology

c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9.[3]

An aid to the Heidelberg Cathecism

Regeneration

It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life

CARM

Regeneration is the divine action by which God renews the fallen creation so that it reflects his character.

For human beings, regeneration is the answer to the corruption of moral character caused by sin. It is essential for participation in the kingdom of God (John 3:3). At conversion, God grants the believer new life and a new identity in Christ. This event is so powerful that John refers to it as a new birth, a birth “from above” (John 3:3), while Paul refers to it as a “new creation” (2 Cor 5:17). In either case, the change is brought about by the Holy Spirit, who comes to indwell the believer. Those born of the Spirit receive not an extension of mortal life but eternal life, a life which has the quality of God’s own. Lexham survey of theology



REGENERATION

The term regeneration comes from a Greek word meaning “rebirth” or “new genesis.” The term signifies the renewal of the fallen creation through the redemptive work of Christ. The actual term “regeneration” is found only twice in Scripture, once for the renewal of all things (Mt 19:28; cf. Ac 3:21, “restoration of all things”) and once for the present inner spiritual renewal of believers. The same concept of renewal is expressed in the language of a new heart (e.g., Eze 36:26f), of a new birth (e.g., Jn 3:3, 7), of new persons through union with Christ in death and resurrection (e.g., Ro 6:4–8), and a new creation including persons (e.g., 2 Co 5:17) and the heavens and earth (e.g., Re 21:1). All of these concepts of renewal belong to the one great action of God in bringing eternal life and incorruptibility to fallen creation.

NASB Topical index


[1] Charles Caldwell Ryrie, A Survey of Bible Doctrine (Chicago: Moody Press, 1972).
[2] Walter A. Elwell, Evangelical Dictionary of Theology: Second Edition (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2001), 394.
[3] Otto Thelemann, An Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism, trans. M. Peters (Reading, PA: James I. Good, D. D, Publisher, 1896), 154.


Regeneration

a new relationship with God (Ti 3:5). Regeneration involves both moral restoration and the reception of new life. The idea of regeneration is expressed as rebirth—being born again (Jn 3:3–7…
Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible, p 1830


For human beings, regeneration is the answer to the corruption of moral character caused by sin. It is essential for participation in the kingdom of God (John 3:3). At conversion, God grants the believer new life and a new identity in Christ. This event is so powerful that John refers to it as a new birth, a birth “from above” (John 3:3), while Paul refers to it as a “new creation” (2 Cor 5:17). In either case, the change is brought about by the Holy Spirit, who comes to indwell the believer. Those born of the Spirit receive not an extension of mortal life but eternal life, a life which has the quality of God’s own. Regeneration applies to the inner self, not to the body, but those who have received the Spirit’s inward work can anticipate the Spirit’s renovation of their physical bodies in the resurrection. Brenda B. Colijn, “Regeneration,” in Lexham Survey of Theology (ed. Mark Ward et al.; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2018

Man is imparted life when he believes, comes to Christ

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 3:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Life is found only in Christ

But your doctrine denies that truth and posits life outside of Christ and is thus unbiblical




You preach "regeneration" means "one ... born from above or born again" which is a valid definition, but you confusingly contradict yourself in that you preach an unborn dead man in sin (Ephesians 2:1) transforms himself into the realm of the Living God by controlling the Holy God of all creation according to the self-willed "receive"/"believe" of the unborn dead man, so your spirit's preaching is rejection of the Holy Spirit of Christ's sayings of "he who practices the Truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God" (John 3:21), and the Apostle John's writing (John 1:12) is in accord with the Lord Jesus as revealed in the below.
You continue to labor in confusion. Man does not transform himself but God does when man receives believes on Christ

John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 5:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.







Your heart's thoughts about John 1:12 of
nope God causes man to be born again when they receive Christ
it is man actively receiving Christ
Man does not even get the right to that until he recieves Christ
That right is conferred upon reception of Christ
And as the right precedes the granting the reception of Christ precedes the being born again
are false because the Apostle John's testimony is that the primary foundational point for being saved is "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8).
Sorry verse 13 Shows God does the regeneration. it does not deny the fact it is p[receded by faith

Once again


Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Faith must be had before becoming a Christ of God

One must trust in Christ before being sealed in him by the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

It is the Spirit's indwelling which regenerates

John 4:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

all of which is preceded by faith


In Truth (John 14:6), God causes man to receive Christ because the definition of received in John 1:12 is "joyfully to be seized by", so your testimony is false.
Sorry you invent a false definition

take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b; 13:20a, b, c, d

You reject industry standard definition to posit your false theology

To as many as received him. The great mass; the people; the scribes and Pharisees rejected him. A few in his lifetime received him, and many more after his death. To receive him, here, means to believe on him. This is expressed at the end of the verse.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 178–179.

all you had to do was read scripture to see that truth

John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Twisting scripture and twisting definitions is not how one arrives at truth
 
You speak out of confusion. Reception of Christ does not cause you to be born of God by your own power. God does this when you receive Christ

As Paul confirmed

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

One becomes a child of God by regeneration

it is regeneration which makes one Child of God born from above or born again

(5) The “children of God.”—Those who are “begotten of God” are ipso facto “children of God” (tékna theoú, Jn 1:12; 11:52; 1 Jn 3:1, 2, 10; 5:2).1

1 R. Law, “Johannine, Theology, The,” ed. James Orr et al., The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (Chicago: The Howard-Severance Company, 1915), 1703.

CHILDREN OF GOD. Persons in this category are only those who of the fallen race are regenerated as a result of faith in Christ1

1 Merrill F. Unger, “Children of God,” ed. R.K. Harrison, The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary (Chicago: Moody Press, 1988).

Children of God (tekna theou). In the full spiritual sense, not as mere offspring of God true of all men (Acts 17:28). Paul's phrase huioi theou (Galatians 3:26) for believers, used also by Jesus of the pure in heart (Matthew 5:9), does not occur in John's Gospel (but in Rev. 21:7). It is possible that John prefers ta tekna tou theou for the spiritual children of God whether Jew or Gentile (John 11:52) because of the community of nature (teknon from root tek-, to beget). But one cannot follow Westcott in insisting on "adoption" as Paul's reason for the use of huioi since Jesus uses huioi theou in Matthew 5:9. Clearly the idea of regeneration is involved here as in John 3:3.
A.T, Robertson Word Pictures in the New Testament.

Vincent agrees

Sons (τέκνα) Rev., more correctly, children. Son is υἱός. Τέκνον, child (τίκτω, to bring forth), denotes a relation based on community of nature
Word Studies in the New Testament.

All who receive Christ are given that right

You did nothing to refute that





Um to regenerate is to impart new life

Although the word regeneration is used only twice in the Bible (Titus 3:5, where it refers to the new birth, and Mt 19:28 where it refers to the millennial kingdom), the concept of being born again is found in other passages, notably John 3. Technically, it is God’s act of begetting eternal life in the one who believes in Christ.
A survey of bible doctrine

(6) spiritual or eternal life, a state of regeneration or renewal in holiness and fellowship with God (John 3:15–16, 36; 5:24; 6:47); (7) the life that is in Christ and God—divine life itself (John 1:4; 1 John 1:1–2; 5:11).[2]

Evangelical dictionary of theology

c) Eternal life, which begins not after death, but immediately upon the regeneration of the sinner, as all life has its beginning in birth. John 3:14, 15, 1 John 4:9.[3]

An aid to the Heidelberg Cathecism

Regeneration

It is the act of God whereby He renews the spiritual condition of a sinner. It is a spiritual change brought about by the work of the Holy Spirit so that the person then possesses new life–eternal life

CARM

Regeneration is the divine action by which God renews the fallen creation so that it reflects his character.

For human beings, regeneration is the answer to the corruption of moral character caused by sin. It is essential for participation in the kingdom of God (John 3:3). At conversion, God grants the believer new life and a new identity in Christ. This event is so powerful that John refers to it as a new birth, a birth “from above” (John 3:3), while Paul refers to it as a “new creation” (2 Cor 5:17). In either case, the change is brought about by the Holy Spirit, who comes to indwell the believer. Those born of the Spirit receive not an extension of mortal life but eternal life, a life which has the quality of God’s own. Lexham survey of theology



REGENERATION

The term regeneration comes from a Greek word meaning “rebirth” or “new genesis.” The term signifies the renewal of the fallen creation through the redemptive work of Christ. The actual term “regeneration” is found only twice in Scripture, once for the renewal of all things (Mt 19:28; cf. Ac 3:21, “restoration of all things”) and once for the present inner spiritual renewal of believers. The same concept of renewal is expressed in the language of a new heart (e.g., Eze 36:26f), of a new birth (e.g., Jn 3:3, 7), of new persons through union with Christ in death and resurrection (e.g., Ro 6:4–8), and a new creation including persons (e.g., 2 Co 5:17) and the heavens and earth (e.g., Re 21:1). All of these concepts of renewal belong to the one great action of God in bringing eternal life and incorruptibility to fallen creation.

NASB Topical index


[1] Charles Caldwell Ryrie, A Survey of Bible Doctrine (Chicago: Moody Press, 1972).
[2] Walter A. Elwell, Evangelical Dictionary of Theology: Second Edition (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic, 2001), 394.
[3] Otto Thelemann, An Aid to the Heidelberg Catechism, trans. M. Peters (Reading, PA: James I. Good, D. D, Publisher, 1896), 154.


Regeneration

a new relationship with God (Ti 3:5). Regeneration involves both moral restoration and the reception of new life. The idea of regeneration is expressed as rebirth—being born again (Jn 3:3–7…
Baker Encyclopedia of the Bible, p 1830


For human beings, regeneration is the answer to the corruption of moral character caused by sin. It is essential for participation in the kingdom of God (John 3:3). At conversion, God grants the believer new life and a new identity in Christ. This event is so powerful that John refers to it as a new birth, a birth “from above” (John 3:3), while Paul refers to it as a “new creation” (2 Cor 5:17). In either case, the change is brought about by the Holy Spirit, who comes to indwell the believer. Those born of the Spirit receive not an extension of mortal life but eternal life, a life which has the quality of God’s own. Regeneration applies to the inner self, not to the body, but those who have received the Spirit’s inward work can anticipate the Spirit’s renovation of their physical bodies in the resurrection. Brenda B. Colijn, “Regeneration,” in Lexham Survey of Theology (ed. Mark Ward et al.; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2018

Man is imparted life when he believes, comes to Christ

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

John 3:36 (KJV 1900) — 36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 6:53 (KJV 1900) — 53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

Life is found only in Christ

But your doctrine denies that truth and posits life outside of Christ and is thus unbiblical





You continue to labor in confusion. Man does not transform himself but God does when man receives believes on Christ

John 5:40 (KJV 1900) — 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

John 5:24–25 (KJV 1900) — 24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.








Sorry verse 13 Shows God does the regeneration. it does not deny the fact it is p[receded by faith

Once again


Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Faith must be had before becoming a Christ of God

One must trust in Christ before being sealed in him by the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 1:13 (KJV 1900) — 13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

It is the Spirit's indwelling which regenerates

John 4:11–14 (KJV 1900) — 11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water? 12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle? 13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: 14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

all of which is preceded by faith



Sorry you invent a false definition

take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b; 13:20a, b, c, d

You reject industry standard definition to posit your false theology

To as many as received him. The great mass; the people; the scribes and Pharisees rejected him. A few in his lifetime received him, and many more after his death. To receive him, here, means to believe on him. This is expressed at the end of the verse.

Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 178–179.

all you had to do was read scripture to see that truth

John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Twisting scripture and twisting definitions is not how one arrives at truth
Tongues in written form much like the Tower of Babel must of been like when God confused their language:)
 
Yes, it's hard NOT to notice. Free-willers also have to engage in mind-altering mental gymnastics to turn "this is the work of God" into "this is the work required by God" just because the people asked Jesus what work they should do. Jesus didn't answer the way they expected. Jesus was under no obligation to do that. Instead, Jesus told the truth. It is the WORK OF GOD that you believe in Him whom He has sent.

So very true, Rogue Tomato. Just after these posts the other day, we find TomL committing those "mind-altering mental gymnastics" about John 6:29 as recorded in post #2,051 just a few posts up in this thread.

Rogue Tomato, did you see TomL's neglectful response? In particular his opening line "Try supporting your claims with actual quotes"?

Rogue Tomato, am I mistaken that TomL vehemently preaches with manifold repetition that man has a free-will to choose to believe in Jesus?

Rogue Tomato, does this clause "TomL, you convey 'free-will, free will, freewill, we men have free wills'" expose that TomL vehemently preaches with manifold repetition that man has a free-will to choose to believe in Jesus? To me, TomL's "Try supporting your claims with actual quotes" is the defiant punches of a person sinking in shifting sand (Matthew 7:26-27).

Rogue Tomato, just take a look, TomL quotes not me nor you nor Holy Scripture verbatim a single time, there in his post.

Does that strike you, Rogue Tomato, as the least bit hypocritical? Jesus sure has a railing indictment for the hypocrites "woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people" (Matthew 23:13-36).

I know that's a lot of self-evident rhetorical questions, but it makes a valid Spiritual point.

Try supporting your claims with actual quotes

Instead ripping words from context like you do with scripture

Duh these are not free willers

John Calvin: “People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us.” (The Crossway Classic Commentaries: John; Crossway Books; Wheaton, IL; 1994, p.393)

This is the work of God. This is the thing that will be acceptable to God, or which you are to do in order to be saved. Jesus did not tell them they had nothing to do, or that they were to sit down and wait, but that there was a work to perform, and that was a duty that was imperative. It was to believe on the Messiah. This is the work which sinners are to do; and doing this they will be saved, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth, Ro. 10:4.11 Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 244.

Just people unlike you who actually pay some attention to context

All that Holy Scripture that I quoted, but you, TomL, blindly wrote "Try supporting your claims with actual quotes" despite all this wonderful treasure that God caused me to quote. We see you, TomL, exhibiting blindness regarding the Word of God as explained in both posts to which you replied, so let's apply TomL's "Try supporting your claims with actual quotes" to where I quoted TomL's "in context it has absolutely nothing to do with free will" along with the link recording where the quote derived containing TomL's full post.

TomL, you convey "free-will, free will, freewill, we men have free wills" (see TomL's repeated saying in post #2,051 just a few posts up in this thread), but you turn right around to write that wills in Romans 9:16 "in context it has absolutely nothing to do with free will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) in your vain attempt to subtract man's will from "it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy" (Romans 9:16).

That is blindness that you, TomL, exhibit about "will" in Romans 9:16. Rogue Tomato, you and I both recall TomL quoting a verse about blindness as some kind of support for free will, and here is the verse, "He has blinded their eyes, and has hardened their heart, that they should not see with the eyes, and understand with the heart, and turn, and I will heal them" (John 12:40), and here is the link to post #2,001 which records TomL's blind use of John 12:40 as a faulty free-will proof text; moreover, TomL, you are blind because will is specifically mentioned in Romans 9:16 yet you convey "Romans 9:16 has absolutely nothing to do with will" (the word of TomL as recorded in post #1,983) which is ungodly confusion on your part (1 Corinthians 14:33).

Free-willians make false statements about God, and free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE LORD FOR THE ONE AND ONLY WAY!!!
 
Yes, it's hard NOT to notice. Free-willers also have to engage in mind-altering mental gymnastics to turn "this is the work of God" into "this is the work required by God" just because the people asked Jesus what work they should do. Jesus didn't answer the way they expected. Jesus was under no obligation to do that. Instead, Jesus told the truth. It is the WORK OF GOD that you believe in Him whom He has sent.
Hardly when the opposite is true. Calvinist must ignore context and the opinion of their own to posit such a view

John 6:27 (NASB 2020) — 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”

Calvinists tend toward isolating verses from their context do they can read their theology into the text



Kermos said:



The people failed to understand, just like you, that Lord Jesus removed the work of man from saving belief/faith with the Lord’s marvelous sayings of “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” (John 6:29).


There you go with your unsupported assumptions

The phrase work of God has been defined for us by verse 28

John 6:28 (NASB 2020) — 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What are we to do, so that we may accomplish the works of God?”

In context its meaning is that which God requires of man

Repeating the same failed claims changes nothing

John 6:27 (NASB 2020) — 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.”

Jesus tells them there is something they must do to obtain the food which last for eternal life

in context it is to believe on him

John 6:35–36 (NASB 2020) — 35 Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; the one who comes to Me will not be hungry, and the one who believes in Me will never be thirsty. 36 But I said to you that you have indeed seen Me, and yet you do not believe.

John 6:28 (NASB 2020) — 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What are we to do, so that we may accomplish the works of God?”

Again this establishes the meaning of the phrase the work of God as that which is required by God

John 6:29 (NASB 2020) — 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

Jesus tells them they must believe

John 6:30 (NASB 2020) — 30 So they said to Him, “What then are You doing as a sign, so that we may see, and believe You? What work are You performing?

The jew understand him to be telling them they must believe.

An understanding confirmed by Christ as per verse 35 above

They must believe

An understanding confirmed by scripture

Acts 16:30–31 (NASB 2020) — 30 and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

even Calvinist commentator agree with this obvious reading


John Calvin: “People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us.” (The Crossway Classic Commentaries: John; Crossway Books; Wheaton, IL; 1994, p.393)



This is the work of God. This is the thing that will be acceptable to God, or which you are to do in order to be saved. Jesus did not tell them they had nothing to do, or that they were to sit down and wait, but that there was a work to perform, and that was a duty that was imperative. It was to believe on the Messiah. This is the work which sinners are to do; and doing this they will be saved, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth, Ro. 10:4.11 Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 244.



Believe. Faith is put as a moral act or work. The work of God is to believe. Faith includes all the works which God requires. The Jews’ question contemplates numerous works. Jesus’ answer directs them to one work. Canon Westcott justly observes that “this simple formula contains the complete solution of the relation of faith and works.”11 Marvin Richardson Vincent, Word Studies in the New Testament (vol. 2; New York: Charles Scribner’s Sons, 1887), 148–149.

What precisely is it that God waits for us to do, and will be satisfied with our doing? To which Jesus, always ready to meet the sincere inquirer, gives the explicit answer (ver. 29) τοῦτό ἐστι … ἐκεῖνος. If God has sent a messenger it is because there is need of such interposition, and the first duty must be to listen believingly to this messenger.

Marcus Dods, The Gospel of St. John (New York: George H. Doran Company, n.d.), 752.

The meaning is not,—that faith is wrought in us by God, is the work of God; but that the truest way of working the work of God is to believe on Him whom He hath sent.11 Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 761.

Even the notes to the Geneva bible refute you


Verse 29
5. Men torment themselves in vain when they try to please God without faith.
g. That is, this is the work that God requires, that you believe in me, and therefore he calls them back to faith.


Geneva Bible Notes (1599). (Bellingham, WA: Logos Bible Software, 2003), Jn 6:28–29.

Mindlessly repeating your view does not negate what the scripture clearly shows
 
Context of John 1:13 the new birth comes from the preceding verse.

To as many who have RECEIVED and BELIEVED. Receiving and believing come BEFORE verse 13 where the new birth that comes from God.

God births those who believe and receive the Son.

Stop making false statements about Gods word and the gospel. You make void the word of God by your traditions (calvinism) which is the vain and empty philosophy of man ( Colossians 2:8 )

hope this helps !!!

Let's look at the verses prior to John 1:12 in order to obtain the Godly view of the Apostolic Testimony in John 1:10-13, and, by this, we can test your spirit (1 John 4:1).

"RECEIVE" DEFINITION BY EXAMPLE:

The man received a punch to his face dislocating his septum - not by choice - but in the fury of his assailant's surprise attack.

The pedestrian received a series of traumatic injuries - not by choice - but as a result of the car jumping the curb.

A lover receives a love letter - not by choice - but in gladness.

Receive means a thing that unavoidably came in from a source to a recipient - receive is not a choice like accept - receive just happens.

"RECEIVE" DEFINITION BY DICTIONARY:

1. TRANSITIVE VERB When you receive something, you get it after someone gives it to you or sends it to you. (Collins COBUILD English Usage (c) HarperCollins Publishers 1992, 2004, 2011, 2012)

There is a keyword in the definition, which is "after".

The Greek word ἔλαβον (Strong's 2983 - lambano/elabon - to take, receive) lexicon definition is "receive", and the specific instance of ἔλαβον used by the Apostle John in John 1:12 is an active indicative aorist verb in the third person; therefore, the word ἔλαβον conveys the active concept of "joyfully" by the recipient of "receive" with the "receive" being initiated and caused by the the source, not the recipient, but truly God is the cause (John 1:12-13), so John conveys "joyfully receive" is the active meaning for ἔλαβον.

In the Greek lexicon etymology, "to be seized by" is found for ἔλαβον (Strong's 2983 - lambano/elabon - to take, receive).

"RECEIVE" USAGE IN SCRIPTURE:

The Apostle John wrote "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13).

The Apostle John wrote receiving Christ is a result of being born of God in John 1:12-13.

The Apostle John wrote receiving Christ is not an act of the will of man in John 1:12-13.

The ones who received Christ are the ones "who were born" "of God".

Let's follow John's blessed chain linking these people:
  • John starts with the full population of the planet "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him" (John 1:10) as he builds toward the source of holiness which is "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John narrows the population to Israel only "He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11).
  • John further narrows the focus to a sub-population of Israel "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12)
  • John equates the population of "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12) with the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) as he builds toward the source of holiness, that is, "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John further equates the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) with the population of "believe in His name" increasing tempo about the source of holiness being"born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John arrives at the source of holiness for every single one of us saints (holy ones) which is being "born of God" (John 1:13).

John's Good Message narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then he further narrows the focus then further narrowing onward, so we can expand the focus starting with John's primary foundational point moving toward the secondary larger point and then the tertiary broader point and so on.

John's primary foundational point is "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) which results in John's secondary point of "believe in His name" (John 1:12, John 6:29) and "children of God" (John 1:12, John 3:3-8) and "many as received Him" (John 1:12, John 9) which has implications for John's tertiary point "His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11) which arrives at John's opening, broadest point which is the fact that "born of God" (John 1:13, John 3:3-8) does not include everybody in "the world" (John 1:10).

John has the "born of God" as the first and primary position.

Each of these are exactly the same people:
  • "many as received Him"
  • "children of God"
  • "believe in His name"
  • "born of God"
See that John explicitly excludes "the will of man" as the cause for all of these.

John 1:12-13 shows that you cannot cause yourself to receive Jesus.

John 1:12-13 shows that God causes people to receive Jesus.

John 1:12-13 shows that you cannot cause yourself to believe in Jesus.

John 1:12-13 shows that God causes people to believe in Jesus.

Again, here is the passage:

"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13).

"Peter [said] to them, 'Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off, as many as the Lord our God will call to Himself.'" (Acts 2:38-39, this was Peter's response after the people who were pierced to the heart by Peter's proclamation of the Word of God inquired "Brethren, what shall we do" in Acts 2:14-37)

Peter issued the command "think differently from now on" (repent) and the command "be immersed in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins" and here is where "receive" comes in, "you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" which is an act of God.

The word "receive" means "unavoidably enters"; on the other hand, the word "accept" means "allowed to enter".

The work of "accept" is specifically disallowed in the passage with "nor of the will of man" because man causes not man to be "born of God" nor man causes to "believe in His name", whom are the "children of God", nor man causes to be the "many as received Him" (John 1:12-13).

The grammatical sense of the word "receive" indicates Christ "unavoidably enters" a joyfully receptive person according to the Power of God (1 Corinthians 1:24) because the Apostle indicates the "born of God" are the ones that God causes to "believe in His name", whom are the "children of God", whom are the ones that God causes to be the "many as received Him" (John 1:12-13).

About "receiving":
Man is not the cause of man receiving Christ (Luke 12:57).​
God is the cause of man receiving Christ (John 1:12-13).​
We Christians actively in thankfulness receive Christ!​

About "believing":
Man is not the cause of man believing in Christ (Ephesians 2:8-10).​
God is the cause of man believing in Christ (John 6:29).​
We Christians joyfully believe in Christ!​

Your spirit's "God births those who believe and receive the Son" is out of accord with all these wonderful Apostolic Testimony of Ephesians 2:8-10, John 1:10-13, and John 6:29:
by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not as a result of works, so that no one may boast for we are His work
so Paul says God causes man to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent!

And Paul is in agreement with the Apostle John who says that man's belief/faith is caused by the Father as a result of God birthing man anew with:
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him, but as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God
so John says God causes man to believe in the Son whom the Father has sent!

And both Apostles are in accord with the Lord Jesus who says man believing in Jesus is the work of Almighty God with:
This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent
so for any person to claim that man manipulates his own belief to point at Jesus - then that man is anti-truth.

You are out of accord with all these wonderful Apostolic Testimony of Ephesians 2:8-10, John 1:10-13, and John 6:29 because you believe:
He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him, but as many as WORKED THE FIRST STEP TO GRAB KING Him, to them He ALLOWED THEIR SECOND STEP TO CAUSE THEMSELVES to become children of God, even to those who AS THEIR THIRD STEP CHOSE IN THEIR OWN SELF-WILL TO believe in His name, who were AS THE FOURTH STEP born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God BECAUSE OF THE FIRST STEP AND THE THIRD STEP
(the culmination of civic's heart treasure (Matthew 15:16-19))​

civic, you have the people becoming born again twice, just look at the SECOND STEP and the FOURTH STEP, so you have a very confused Free-willian Philosophy (1 Corinthians 14:33).

All glory to King Jesus reigning on His Throne in the eternal Kingdom of God for His Salvation of man!!! Amen!!!

We Christians receive saving belief/faith from God our Savior (John 1:12-13, John 6:29, Ephesians 2:8-10)!

Your heart makes false statements about God. Free-will is a conjured concept of the traditions of men (Matthew 15:9).

In Truth (John 14:6), the Almighty God is Sovereign (Genesis 1:1) in the affairs of man (Daniel 4:34-35)! PRAISE THE AUTHOR AND PERFECTER OF THE FAITH!!!
 
Let's look at the verses prior to John 1:12 in order to obtain the Godly view of the Apostolic Testimony in John 1:10-13, and, by this, we can test your spirit (1 John 4:1).

"RECEIVE" DEFINITION BY EXAMPLE:

The man received a punch to his face dislocating his septum - not by choice - but in the fury of his assailant's surprise attack.

The pedestrian received a series of traumatic injuries - not by choice - but as a result of the car jumping the curb.

A lover receives a love letter - not by choice - but in gladness.

Receive means a thing that unavoidably came in from a source to a recipient - receive is not a choice like accept - receive just happens.
This is a very poor way to ascertain the meaning of a word in a particular context

and has nothing at all to do with the prior verses of the context

We have already seen the lexicons do not support you

e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b; 13:20a, b, c, d

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 464.

BADG refuted you mentioning john 1:12 te verse underdiscussion

e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b; 13:20a, b, c, d

as did

(E) To take up with a person, i.e., to receive him as a friend or guest into one’s house or society, equivalent to déchomai (1209), to accept. (1) Generally (John 6:21, “into the boat” [a.t.]; 19:27, “that disciple took her unto his own home”; 2 John 1:10, “receive him not into your house”). Metaphorically of a teacher, to receive, acknowledge, embrace and follow his instructions (John 1:12; 5:43; 13:20; 14:17); of doctrine, to embrace, admit, e.g., the word (Matt. 13:20; Mark 4:16); the witness (John 3:11, 32

Spiros Zodhiates, The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2000).

he also addresses john 1:12



to receive (person) — to willingly permit access to one’s company. See also παραδέχομαι, προσδέχομαι. Related Topic: Receive.
Jn 5:43 καὶ οὐ λαμβάνετέ με·
Jn 13:20 ὁ λαμβάνων ἄν τινα πέμψω
Jn 13:20 πέμψω ἐμὲ λαμβάνει,
Jn 13:20 ὁ δὲ ἐμὲ λαμβάνων
Jn 13:20 ὁ δὲ ἐμὲ λαμβάνων λαμβάνει τὸν πέμψαντά με.
Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).








"RECEIVE" DEFINITION BY DICTIONARY:

1. TRANSITIVE VERB When you receive something, you get it after someone gives it to you or sends it to you. (Collins COBUILD English Usage (c) HarperCollins Publishers 1992, 2004, 2011, 2012)

There is a keyword in the definition, which is "after".

The Greek word ἔλαβον (Strong's 2983 - lambano/elabon - to take, receive) lexicon definition is "receive", and the specific instance of ἔλαβον used by the Apostle John in John 1:12 is an active indicative aorist verb in the third person; therefore, the word ἔλαβον conveys the active concept of "joyfully" by the recipient of "receive" with the "receive" being initiated and caused by the the source, not the recipient, but truly God is the cause (John 1:12-13), so John conveys "joyfully receive" is the active meaning for ἔλαβον.

In the Greek lexicon etymology, "to be seized by" is found for ἔλαβον (Strong's 2983 - lambano/elabon - to take, receive).
Why did you cut your citiation short where is the reference

it is rather disingenuous to do so

BTW those that receive him

note receive is in the active voice so it is something man does

not something in which he is passive as your unreferenced article falsely seems to indicate


"RECEIVE" USAGE IN SCRIPTURE:

The Apostle John wrote "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" (John 1:12-13).


The Apostle John wrote receiving Christ is a result of being born of God in John 1:12-13.

Nope nothing about being born of God before receiving christ

and you just ignore the fact those that receive Christ are given that right

John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

One becomes a child of God by being born again

(5) The “children of God.”—Those who are “begotten of God” are ipso facto “children of God” (tékna theoú, Jn 1:12; 11:52; 1 Jn 3:1, 2, 10; 5:2).1

1 R. Law, “Johannine, Theology, The,” ed. James Orr et al., The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (Chicago: The Howard-Severance Company, 1915), 1703.



CHILDREN OF GOD. Persons in this category are only those who of the fallen race are regenerated as a result of faith in Christ1

1 Merrill F. Unger, “Children of God,” ed. R.K. Harrison, The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary (Chicago: Moody Press, 1988).

Children of God (tekna theou). In the full spiritual sense, not as mere offspring of God true of all men (Acts 17:28). Paul's phrase huioi theou (Galatians 3:26) for believers, used also by Jesus of the pure in heart (Matthew 5:9), does not occur in John's Gospel (but in Rev. 21:7). It is possible that John prefers ta tekna tou theou for the spiritual children of God whether Jew or Gentile (John 11:52) because of the community of nature (teknon from root tek-, to beget). But one cannot follow Westcott in insisting on "adoption" as Paul's reason for the use of huioi since Jesus uses huioi theou in Matthew 5:9. Clearly the idea of regeneration is involved here as in John 3:3.



Word Pictures in the New Testament.



Vincent agrees





Sons (τέκνα)



Rev., more correctly, children. Son is υἱός. Τέκνον, child (τίκτω, to bring forth), denotes a relation based on community of nature



Word Studies in the New Testament.



τέκνα θ. γενέσθαι] The spiritual life owes its beginning to a birth from above, ch. 3:3–7. And this birth is owing to the Holy Spirit of God; so that this is equivalent to saying, ‘As many as received Him, to them gave He His Holy Spirit.’ And we find that it was so: see Acts 10:44.



Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 684.

However before receiving that right one must receive Christ or believe on his name as the verse states and you ignored



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The Apostle John wrote receiving Christ is not an act of the will of man in John 1:12-13.

The ones who received Christ are the ones "who were born" "of God".

The act of regeneration is not man's doing

The act of receiving christ is man's - even those that believe on his name

Note both receive and believe are in the active voice

it is something man must do

John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
ignoring the lexical data, and context is not the way to ascertain truth



Let's follow John's blessed chain linking these people:
  • John starts with the full population of the planet "He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him" (John 1:10) as he builds toward the source of holiness which is "born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John narrows the population to Israel only "He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him" (John 1:11).
  • John further narrows the focus to a sub-population of Israel "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12)
  • John equates the population of "but as many as received Him" (John 1:12) with the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) as he builds toward the source of holiness, that is, "born of God" (John 1:13).

Lets get the relationship right it those who first receive Christ that are given the right to become children of god or born again

or as Paul puts it in another verse you ignore

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Faith is the instrumental cause of one becoming a child of God - being born again


  • John further equates the population of "children of God" (John 1:12) with the population of "believe in His name" increasing tempo about the source of holiness being"born of God" (John 1:13).
  • John arrives at the source of holiness for every single one of us saints (holy ones) which is being "born of God" (John 1:13).

Again believe on his name defines what it means to receive Christ

A key piece you ignore

As you have ignored the overall context of scripture, the immediate context, Lexical citations

and theological resources
 
This is a very poor way to ascertain the meaning of a word in a particular context

and has nothing at all to do with the prior verses of the context

We have already seen the lexicons do not support you

e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b; 13:20a, b, c, d

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 464.

BADG refuted you mentioning john 1:12 te verse underdiscussion

e. take up, receive—α. τινὰ someone εἰς into (Wsd 8:18) lit. εἰς τὸ πλοῖον take someone (up) into the boat J 6:21. εἰς οἰκίαν receive someone into one’s house 2J 10. εἰς τὰ ἴδια into his own home J 19:27. Receive someone in the sense of recognizing his authority J 1:12; 5:43a, b; 13:20a, b, c, d

as did

(E) To take up with a person, i.e., to receive him as a friend or guest into one’s house or society, equivalent to déchomai (1209), to accept. (1) Generally (John 6:21, “into the boat” [a.t.]; 19:27, “that disciple took her unto his own home”; 2 John 1:10, “receive him not into your house”). Metaphorically of a teacher, to receive, acknowledge, embrace and follow his instructions (John 1:12; 5:43; 13:20; 14:17); of doctrine, to embrace, admit, e.g., the word (Matt. 13:20; Mark 4:16); the witness (John 3:11, 32

Spiros Zodhiates, The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament (Chattanooga, TN: AMG Publishers, 2000).

he also addresses john 1:12



to receive (person) — to willingly permit access to one’s company. See also παραδέχομαι, προσδέχομαι. Related Topic: Receive.
Jn 5:43 καὶ οὐ λαμβάνετέ με·
Jn 13:20 ὁ λαμβάνων ἄν τινα πέμψω
Jn 13:20 πέμψω ἐμὲ λαμβάνει,
Jn 13:20 ὁ δὲ ἐμὲ λαμβάνων
Jn 13:20 ὁ δὲ ἐμὲ λαμβάνων λαμβάνει τὸν πέμψαντά με.
Rick Brannan, ed., Lexham Research Lexicon of the Greek New Testament (Lexham Research Lexicons; Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2020).









Why did you cut your citiation short where is the reference

it is rather disingenuous to do so

BTW those that receive him

note receive is in the active voice so it is something man does

not something in which he is passive as your unreferenced article falsely seems to indicate







Nope nothing about being born of God before receiving christ

and you just ignore the fact those that receive Christ are given that right

John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

One becomes a child of God by being born again

(5) The “children of God.”—Those who are “begotten of God” are ipso facto “children of God” (tékna theoú, Jn 1:12; 11:52; 1 Jn 3:1, 2, 10; 5:2).1

1 R. Law, “Johannine, Theology, The,” ed. James Orr et al., The International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia (Chicago: The Howard-Severance Company, 1915), 1703.



CHILDREN OF GOD. Persons in this category are only those who of the fallen race are regenerated as a result of faith in Christ1

1 Merrill F. Unger, “Children of God,” ed. R.K. Harrison, The New Unger’s Bible Dictionary (Chicago: Moody Press, 1988).

Children of God (tekna theou). In the full spiritual sense, not as mere offspring of God true of all men (Acts 17:28). Paul's phrase huioi theou (Galatians 3:26) for believers, used also by Jesus of the pure in heart (Matthew 5:9), does not occur in John's Gospel (but in Rev. 21:7). It is possible that John prefers ta tekna tou theou for the spiritual children of God whether Jew or Gentile (John 11:52) because of the community of nature (teknon from root tek-, to beget). But one cannot follow Westcott in insisting on "adoption" as Paul's reason for the use of huioi since Jesus uses huioi theou in Matthew 5:9. Clearly the idea of regeneration is involved here as in John 3:3.



Word Pictures in the New Testament.



Vincent agrees





Sons (τέκνα)



Rev., more correctly, children. Son is υἱός. Τέκνον, child (τίκτω, to bring forth), denotes a relation based on community of nature



Word Studies in the New Testament.



τέκνα θ. γενέσθαι] The spiritual life owes its beginning to a birth from above, ch. 3:3–7. And this birth is owing to the Holy Spirit of God; so that this is equivalent to saying, ‘As many as received Him, to them gave He His Holy Spirit.’ And we find that it was so: see Acts 10:44.



Henry Alford, Alford’s Greek Testament: An Exegetical and Critical Commentary (vol. 1; Grand Rapids, MI: Guardian Press, 1976), 684.

However before receiving that right one must receive Christ or believe on his name as the verse states and you ignored



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The act of regeneration is not man's doing

The act of receiving christ is man's - even those that believe on his name

Note both receive and believe are in the active voice

it is something man must do

John 1:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
ignoring the lexical data, and context is not the way to ascertain truth





Lets get the relationship right it those who first receive Christ that are given the right to become children of god or born again

or as Paul puts it in another verse you ignore

Galatians 3:26 (KJV 1900) — 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Faith is the instrumental cause of one becoming a child of God - being born again




Again believe on his name defines what it means to receive Christ

A key piece you ignore

As you have ignored the overall context of scripture, the immediate context, Lexical citations

and theological resources
PS Even the hyper Calvinist John Gill disagrees with you

But as many as received him,.... This is explained, in the latter part of the text, by believing in his name; for faith is a receiving him as the word, and Son of God, as the Messiah, Saviour, and Redeemer; a receiving grace out of his fulness, and every blessing from him, as a justifying righteousness, pardon of sin, and an inheritance among them that are sanctified; for though the generality rejected him, there were some few that received him:
 
PS Even the hyper Calvinist John Gill disagrees with you

But as many as received him,.... This is explained, in the latter part of the text, by believing in his name; for faith is a receiving him as the word, and Son of God, as the Messiah, Saviour, and Redeemer; a receiving grace out of his fulness, and every blessing from him, as a justifying righteousness, pardon of sin, and an inheritance among them that are sanctified; for though the generality rejected him, there were some few that received him:

What makes you think we care what John Gill thinks? Speaking for myself, I don't give a rat's bahootie. Last time I checked, the Bereans searched scripture to see what's true, not what John Gill wrote.
 
God is the cause of man believing in Christ (John 6:29).​
Spurgeon contradicts your understanding

Joh_6:29. That ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
This is the point. You would like me to work miracles. You would be glad to have very wonderful, mysterious experience, but this is the thing you ought to seek after — the grandest, greatest thing that you can have, :’ that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.”

as did Calvin and Barne's

John Calvin: “People who infer from this passage that faith is God’s gift are mistaken, for Christ does not show here what God produces in us, but what God wants and requires from us.” (The Crossway Classic Commentaries: John; Crossway Books; Wheaton, IL; 1994, p.393)



This is the work of God. This is the thing that will be acceptable to God, or which you are to do in order to be saved. Jesus did not tell them they had nothing to do, or that they were to sit down and wait, but that there was a work to perform, and that was a duty that was imperative. It was to believe on the Messiah. This is the work which sinners are to do; and doing this they will be saved, for Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth, Ro. 10:4.11 Albert Barnes, Notes on the New Testament: Luke & John (ed. Robert Frew; London: Blackie & Son, 1884–1885), 244.
 
What makes you think we care what John Gill thinks? Speaking for myself, I don't give a rat's bahootie. Last time I checked, the Bereans searched scripture to see what's true, not what John Gill wrote.
Goes to show how weak your statements are when even your Calvinist peers do not agree with your claims

DA Carson another Calvinist refutes you also on the meaning of receive

By themselves, vv. 10–11 would be grim indeed; but vv. 12–13 immediately soften the sweeping rejection of the Word by indicating that, as in Old Testament times, there remains a believing remnant. Many have pointed out that the words ‘his own did not receive him’ (1:11) could be placarded over the first twelve chapters of this book, but over chs. 13–21 we might raise the banner, ‘Yet to all who received him …’. Another way of describing these people is to say that they believed in his name. The ‘name’ is more than a label; it is the character of the person, or even the person himself.

D. A. Carson, The Gospel according to John (The Pillar New Testament Commentary; Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, MI: Inter-Varsity Press; W.B. Eerdmans, 1991), 125.
 
Goes to show how weak your statements are when even your Calvinist peers do not agree with your claims

DA Carson another Calvinist refutes you also on the meaning of receive

By themselves, vv. 10–11 would be grim indeed; but vv. 12–13 immediately soften the sweeping rejection of the Word by indicating that, as in Old Testament times, there remains a believing remnant. Many have pointed out that the words ‘his own did not receive him’ (1:11) could be placarded over the first twelve chapters of this book, but over chs. 13–21 we might raise the banner, ‘Yet to all who received him …’. Another way of describing these people is to say that they believed in his name. The ‘name’ is more than a label; it is the character of the person, or even the person himself.

D. A. Carson, The Gospel according to John (The Pillar New Testament Commentary; Leicester, England; Grand Rapids, MI: Inter-Varsity Press; W.B. Eerdmans, 1991), 125.

Quite the contrary. It goes to show how weak your theology is that you have to rely on theologians rather than scripture to make your points.
 
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