All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Victoria]

Are you suggesting that unitarian would have controlled access to the Greek manuscripts to as to hide vital information that has never been corrected since Westcott and Hort started this project? I'm not sure how it could be that even hidden motives could have obscured the testimony of the manuscripts found across various centuries.
What seems evident in KJV-only writings is the false testimony or representation about the views and actions of Westcott and Hort. That makes it appear the concern should be about those KJV-only writings.

I was grabbing a bite to eat, missed this post earlier.

Okay, fair. I'll consider your rebuttal if you could show me where the Byzantine translators got the Godhead, Gospels, salvation, etc. wrong. I've asked before, but you haven't yet responded. It's about translation errors, not a personal attack on the person(s) who made such translations.

 

[mikesw]

I was grabbing a bite to eat, missed this post earlier.

Okay, fair. I'll consider your rebuttal if you could show me where the Byzantine translators got the Godhead, Gospels, salvation, etc. wrong. I've asked before, but you haven't yet responded. It's about translation errors, not a personal attack on the person(s) who made such translations.

Just as a point of consistency and continuity, why do you trust a KJV based on the common accepted Greek and Hebrew text of the 1600s but then accept an eschatology that was predominantly developed in the mid 1800s?

 

[Victoria]

Just as a point of consistency and continuity, why do you trust a KJV based on the common accepted Greek and Hebrew text of the 1600s but then accept an eschatology that was predominantly developed in the mid 1800s?

I could just as easily use other Byzantine translations, such as the Geneva Bible, or Bishop's Bible, though the English is a bit more difficult to read. Is there anywhere in those that demote Christ's deity, the Gospels, salvation, etc.?

Not according to the early church, it wasn't an invention of the 1800's.

 

[Victoria]

Irenaeus believed in the catching up, & future tribulation.

“And therefore in the end when the Church is suddenly caught up from this, it is said, ‘There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.’ For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome, they are crowned with incorruption." Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5.29.1

“For Enoch, when he pleased God, was translated in the same body in which he did please Him, thus pointing out by anticipation the translation of the just. … Wherefore also the elders who were disciples of the apostles tell us that those who are translated are translated to … paradise … in which place also Paul the apostle, when he was caught up, heard unspeakable words … and that those who have been translated shall remain there until the consummation [the end], as a prelude to incorruptibility.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies 5.5.1

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Papias of Hierapolis (circa 70–155 AD)

Papias, a bishop and a disciple of John:

"There will be a period of a thousand years after the resurrection of the dead when the kingdom of Christ will be established in material form on this earth." (Fragments of Papias)

Tertullian (155–240 AD)

"We confess that a kingdom is promised to us upon the earth... after the resurrection, for a thousand years."
(Against Marcion, Book 3, Chapter 25)

Hippolytus (170–235 AD)

"When the times are fulfilled, and the ten horns spring from the beast in the last times, then Antichrist will appear among them... then may we expect the manifestation of the Lord from heaven." (Commentary on Daniel, 2.7)

Eusebius (260-339 AD)

"As all perished then except those gathered with Noah in the ark, so also at this coming, the ungodly in the season of apostasy shall perish. While according to the pattern of Noah, all the righteous and godly are to be separated from the ungodly and gathered into the heavenly ark. For in this way comes a time when not even one righteous man will be found among mankind and when all the ungodly have been made atheists by the antichrist, and the whole world is overcome by apostasy, the wrath of God shall come upon the ungodly." (Fragments on Luke (Luke 17:26, Migne 24.584-585)

Ephrem The Syrian (306–373 AD)

Sermon on Repentance and Judgment:

"For the elect shall be gathered prior to the tribulation, so they shall not see the confusion and the great tribulation coming upon the unrighteous world."

Sermon On the Fathers Who Have Completed Their Course:

"Behold, now the holy and the just are chosen and gathered into the harbor of life that they should not see the tribulation and the snares coming upon us because of our sins."

A Pattern in History

But what’s fascinating is that belief in the Millennium resurfaced in the 1600s and 1700s—well before Darby or modern dispensationalism.

Peter Jurieu (1687) wrote that Christ would return before the battle of Armageddon and rapture the saints.

Philip Doddridge (1738) and John Gill (1748) taught about a literal rapture and millennial reign.