All Claims of The Son's Deity

[Peterlag]

WHY I KEEP TALKING ABOUT JESUS NOT BEING HIS OWN GOD

I keep emphasizing this because it’s a central point many people seem to misunderstand in our discussions about the resurrection and the nature of Jesus.

Ephesians 1:17 & 20 says:
The God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father… raised him [raised Jesus] from the dead and set him at His own right hand.
(see also Acts 2:32–33)

Trinitarianism, on the other hand, insists both that Jesus is God and that He raised Himself.

These two ideas stand in direct opposition to one another.

If “the God of Jesus" raised Him, while at the same time Jesus is the God who raised him, this can only mean that Jesus is His own God — a nonsensical idea, and the kind of "reductio ad absurdum" that shows the claim to be untenable.

 

[Capbook]

God is not calling Jesus God. Hebrews 1:8 is a quote from Psalms that says "Thy throne, O God."

Hebrews 1:8 is an almost exact quotation from the Septuagint version of Psalm 45:6, which itself was a very good translation of the Hebrew text of Psalm 45:6, and Hebrews 1:9 is from the Septuagint of Psalm 45:7. The theme of Hebrews 1 centers around the Father’s rule and elevation of the Son over the rest of creation. God spoke through the prophets, and then through His Son, who He appointed heir of all things and who is now seated at God’s right hand as second in command under God.

The God of the Son—anointed him and set him above his companions, such that the Son now sits on God’s right hand. Hebrews exalts the Son, and in so doing exalts the Father. But in contrast to what Trinitarians say, Hebrews 1:8 (and thus Psalm 45:6) does not call Jesus “God” and does not support the Trinity. To see that fully, one must study Psalm 45. Upon examination, Psalm 45 does not support the Trinity, so when it is quoted in Hebrews 1:8 then that quotation does not support the Trinity either. The Jews read Psalm 45 for centuries and never concluded that the Messiah would be “God in the flesh” or somehow be part of a Triune God.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Psalms 45:6
Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

In Heb 1:8 the Almighty God the Father had certainly refer the phrase, "but unto the Son said" to Jesus.
Though that phrase absent in Psa 45:6, Classical Jews interpret it as referred to the Christ/Messiah.
In the Old Testament, Jews were the people of God, can we Gentiles, question the interpretation of the people of God before?

 

[Capbook]

Since you are using Wikipedia, saying it is a neutral ground source, then I will also use Wikipedia. Source at the bottom.

The Wikipedia article on Psalm 45 says, "In the 19th century, Franz Delitzsch argued that the poem was written on the occasion of Jehoram of Judah's marriage to Athaliah; John Calvin and Alexander Kirkpatrick both maintained that it referred rather to the marriage of Solomon with an Egyptian princess."

So we have some well-known Trinitarian theologians in agreement that Psalm 45 is about king Solomon because Solomon is the most likely candidate. King Solomon had a thing for foreign (non-Jewish) women and there is no other king that Psalm 45 may be talking about.

So Jews would not have meant to say that king Solomon is Lord God Almighty. Therefore, Psalm 45:6 is not a messianic prophecy nor does it transfer deity to Jesus when it is applied to Jesus. The word "elohim" can mean God or god, a judge, a king, magistrate, etc. It is often applied to regularly humans throughout the Bible, just like Solomon for example.

So a deeper look at Hebrew poetry, context, and words reveals that Hebrews 1:8 is not an argument for the deity of Jesus. Also, as I said, Hebrews 1:9 and Psalm 45:7 eliminate any possibility of your interpretation being correct.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psalm_45

If the interpretation of Psa 45:6 refers to king Solomon, have they mentioned where is that forever and ever throne in the New Testament? Because Bible lexicon defined "forever" in Hebrew "עלם / עולם ‛ôlâm" as everlasting, perpetual, and etc.
If you believe their interpretation, can you cite a verse where is that throne in the NT?

Psa 45:6 R1Your throneH3678, O GodH430, is foreverH5769 and everH5703; A scepterH7626 of R2uprightnessH4334 is the scepterH7626 of Your kingdomH4438.

H5769
עלם / עולם ‛ôlâm
BDB Definition:
1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world

 

[101G]

There's no verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me."

101G