Runningman
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John 1:14, 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 2:14, Philippians 2:7-8, etc.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Olde Tymer
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Peterlag
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Terms found nowhere in Scripture...
- Deity
- Co-equal
- Co-eternal
- Incarnated
- Eternal son
- Infinite son
- God the son
- One substance
- Persons of God
- God became man
- Eternally begotten
- Pre-existent Christ
- God the Holy Spirit
- Pre-incarnate Christ
- Three persons, three in one
- Trinity, Triune God, tri-unity
- Two nature's, Hypostatic union
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We are not talking about Jesus being human, it is about Melchizedek.
Anyway it was already being answered.
Peterlag
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We undergo a miraculous exchange at the center of our being once we havethe spirit of Christ. Who we were in Adam is no longer there. We become a new person because we are now a child of God who is in Christ. The key event causing this exchange is a death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. This miraculous exchange is not figurative or symbolic, but literal and actual.
The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.
I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry. We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix a tooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?
What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.
I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
The spiritual part of every Christian has literally and actually been crucified, buried, and raised with Christ. The fact that this occurs spiritually and not physically doesn’t make it any less real. So what happens to the old self that was in Adam? The old self is entirely obliterated once the spirit of Christ enters the Christian.
I have noticed we graduate from all the other subjects be it accounting, mechanics or dentistry. We study the books and complete the course that brings us to the required accomplished task which is the ability to know how to do something. We study a map to learn how to get someplace. Thus, our study ends with us able to get from point A to point B, fix a tooth, balance the financial numbers or build the car. How come we spend our entire lives studying the Bible and yet nobody seems to graduate?
What I believe I have been able to graduate from is the following verse...
1 Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
This cannot be achieved if we do not know the attributes and characteristics of the resurrected Christ Jesus.
I now spend much of my time right inside the spirit as close as I can get right in their face. The Greek word menō translated "abide" often deals with being in him, which I'm very concerned about when it comes to walking in Christ, which I believe is the same as walking in the spirit. To be in him or to abide in him deals with remaining or continuing to be present. To dwell, live, and be within him to the end that we are operative in him by his divine influence and energy. My first red flag that started me looking into how to do this was when I realized it's the Catholics that teach we are sinners. They teach us to look at ourselves and our sin. I teach that we should look at Christ and to walk in his spirit.
Olde Tymer
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● Ps 110:4 . .The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind: You are a priest
forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
Folks represented by a high priest patterned after Melchizedek enjoy a huge
advantage because he was a mediator between God and Man prior to the covenant
that Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy. So then the curses listed at Lev 26:14-39, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut
28:15-68 don't apply to folks represented before God in accord with 1Tim 2:5 because
Deut 5:2-3 & Gal 3:17 assure us that Moses' covenant isn't retroactive.
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● Ps 110:4 . .The Lord has sworn and will not change His mind: You are a priest
forever, in the order of Melchizedek.
Folks represented by a high priest patterned after Melchizedek enjoy a huge
advantage because he was a mediator between God and Man prior to the covenant
that Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and
Deuteronomy. So then the curses listed at Lev 26:14-39, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut
28:15-68 don't apply to folks represented before God in accord with 1Tim 2:5 because
Deut 5:2-3 & Gal 3:17 assure us that Moses' covenant isn't retroactive.
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Runningman
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Thanks for confessing that someone doesn't have to be God to be a mediator between God and mankind.
1 Timothy 2
5For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
Yes, Jesus when on earth He takes the form of man, but before He had that flesh, He is in the form of God.(John 1:1)
Also supported by oldest manuscripts the papyrus 66 and papyrus 75, as the "only begotten God." Described as the orignal wordings of the text. There are various translation that render the text other way but was not described as the original wordings.
(NAS95) Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
Runningman
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Paul wrote 1 Timothy 2:5 decades after God took Jesus' human body to heaven. Jesus is still a human right now at the right hand of God. That's how everyone in the Bible remembered Jesus, as a glorified human. Read Acts, for example, where they say Jesus is a man who God raised from the dead, anointed, empowered, and gave authority.
And John 1:18 is a different subject and contains contradictions in the version you used. For one, if no one has seen God, then no one has seen Jesus, contrary to the Bible saying people saw Jesus before and after his death and "every eye" will see him when God brings him back.
Really bad exegesis. You do not just take one usage of "mediator" and assume all mediators are the same.
Jesus is the only one who died on the cross for the sins of humanity and was raised in victory over sin. If Jesus were not divine (in the Godhead), he would just be another religious martyr in the history books.
Please stop disrespecting God in your posts. Thanks in advance. You do a good job of turning people away from the unitarian heresy though.
civic
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Yep clear as the noon day SON.
Peterlag
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I don't see the disrepecting. Maybe His dog's personailty is what He created in you.
This post is another reason to avoid the unitarian ideas.
Peterlag
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News Flash: His dog might be better than you.
we are not seeking fiction writers around here.
Olde Tymer
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A Greek word for begotten God isn't in the manuscripts. Somebody penciled it into
the translation probably because they thought the verse makes better sense that
way. Some versions insert the word Son in that location, but that's an arbitrary
edit too. Caveat Lector.
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Peterlag
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My guess is as good as yours. You say "us" means He was talking to Jesus. I say His dog.
