No, not at all.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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Sorry, not once have you answered any of the questions you were asked,
and you have not addressed the thoughts and existence of Christ before becoming a man in the passage Phil 2:5-8
Nothing but bald denial.
How does a non personal thing or a forethought consider or think?
Again, the issue under discussion which you consistently dodge is personal pre-existence as the passage at Phil 2:5-8 clearly shows Christ existed in the form of God with a mind and thought before becoming a man
You are nothing but a dodger when it comes to this issue.
Absurd
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
That clearly is creation
101G
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well Pete John 1:14 disagree with you. John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
and in the very next verse, John said, John 1:15 "John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me."
so, John was speaking of the Lord Jesus, Correct? yes, so, what was the Lord Jesus before he was MADE FLESH. let the bible speak. Hebrews 2:9 "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man."
Pete, THINK NOW, there are only three entities, 1. God 2. Angels, and 3. us humans. Hebrews 2:9 clearly said JESUS was made lower than the angels. if Jesus was Made Lower than the angels...... logical reasoning, and common sense dictates that he JESUS had to be HIGHER than the angels before he was made LOWER than the angels..... and remember there are only three entities, 1. God 2. Angels, and 3. us humans. now 101G is sure that you don't need a slide ruler to figure that out as to what and who the Lord is and ... "was" .... just as John 1:1 clearly states...... WAS "God."
see how easy that was in using ..... common sense led by the wisdom of God?
so, the Lord Jesus is GOD in flesh, just as John 1:14 also states, not a it, but a WHO/PERSON. so, you're reproved.
101G.
one more,
101G
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@ProDeo, and @Peterlag
may 101G clear this up. the IT, Pete that you're referring to is the BODY that our brother ProDeo is telling you that the PERSON, who is Jesus God came in. scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." which answer you two both question in the scripture given, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
"For unto us a child is born". BORN, the body that God, JESUS, came in per Romans 5:14. THIS IS THE "Son of God", flesh bone, and blood.
"unto us a son is given" . GIVEN, the spirit from heaven, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" EQUAL WITH? yes, meaning the same one person in the ECHAD of himself, or as John 1:3 states, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." which is certified by Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" yes, the creator who "MADE ALL THINGS", the Lord Jesus, the Son in Isaiah 9:6. who was in the beginning, note the Son was in the BEGINNING, not that body of flesh and blood was NOT AT Genesis 1:1. but was at John 1:1 the beginning of the "END" or the LAST.
which is clearly answered in A. 1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;" well John was not at Genesis 1:1 to witness that... or LOOK upon, for it was the Spirit at Genesis 1:. but what was not seen at Genesis 1:1 is NOW SEEN at John 1:1 which is recorded by or brother Mark, B. Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;"
conclusion: Jesus ..... the Christ (that Child that was "born" according to Isaiah 8:6 was NOT at Genesis 1:1) but (that Son that was "given" was at Genesis 1:1 and before...... )
so, the "it" is the body, 1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?" 1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:" 1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:" 1 Corinthians 15:38 "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body."
what .... "WAS" ...... in that body, is the person....... JESUS, God almighty.
101G.
may 101G clear this up. the IT, Pete that you're referring to is the BODY that our brother ProDeo is telling you that the PERSON, who is Jesus God came in. scripture, Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." which answer you two both question in the scripture given, Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
"For unto us a child is born". BORN, the body that God, JESUS, came in per Romans 5:14. THIS IS THE "Son of God", flesh bone, and blood.
"unto us a son is given" . GIVEN, the spirit from heaven, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" EQUAL WITH? yes, meaning the same one person in the ECHAD of himself, or as John 1:3 states, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." which is certified by Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;" yes, the creator who "MADE ALL THINGS", the Lord Jesus, the Son in Isaiah 9:6. who was in the beginning, note the Son was in the BEGINNING, not that body of flesh and blood was NOT AT Genesis 1:1. but was at John 1:1 the beginning of the "END" or the LAST.
which is clearly answered in A. 1 John 1:1 "That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;" well John was not at Genesis 1:1 to witness that... or LOOK upon, for it was the Spirit at Genesis 1:. but what was not seen at Genesis 1:1 is NOW SEEN at John 1:1 which is recorded by or brother Mark, B. Mark 1:1 "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;"
conclusion: Jesus ..... the Christ (that Child that was "born" according to Isaiah 8:6 was NOT at Genesis 1:1) but (that Son that was "given" was at Genesis 1:1 and before...... )
so, the "it" is the body, 1 Corinthians 15:35 "But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?" 1 Corinthians 15:36 "Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:" 1 Corinthians 15:37 "And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:" 1 Corinthians 15:38 "But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body."
what .... "WAS" ...... in that body, is the person....... JESUS, God almighty.
101G.
Peterlag
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John 1:14 does not disagree with me. Your view of John 1:14 disagrees with me.
Peterlag
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It seems difficult for people to understand that John 1:1 is introducing the Gospel of John, and not the Book of Genesis. The topic of John is God (the Father, the only God) at work in the ministry of the man Jesus of Nazareth, not the creation of rocks, trees and stars.
Peterlag
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What would not dodging be to you? Me saying Oh right Jesus is God who per-existenced as the passage of Philippians 2:6 clearly says?
It seems difficult for you to understand that the subject in John 1:1 is the Word, mentioned three times over. How many times must John refer to the Word in that verse before you get it?
(John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God
Also, your understanding of Greek is terrible. The proper translation of αυτος and αυτου in John 1:2-3 are "He" and "Him", not "It". The Uncreated Word of God is not a thing, He is a He. Do you understand?
Your continued refusal to understand all that proves the following about you:
- You have no understanding of Greek.
- You just brush aside the Greek language like it's useless.
- You place yourself above the Apostles.
- You're willing to change the very words of Apostle John to an "it".
- You degrade the Uncreated Word of God to an "it".
- You hide behind other people who possess the same ignorance of Greek.
Peterlag
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The wisdom of God is not a personal thing. My wisdom is not another one of me. My wisdom and my spirit that's the spirit of Christ is an it.
101G
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did 101G write John 1:14? ... no, it;s God word, so take it up with him. .... (smile).
so, can you answer ... "is it true that Jesus was higher than the angels? yes or NO. .... your answer please.
101G.
Peterlag
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Once? A hundred times I told you there's no pre-existence.
101G
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well Pete did not 101G say this? read post #447 again. but did 101G not affirm that the Son is God?
101G.
Peterlag
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Jesus Christ is not a lexical definition of logos. The verse does not say "In the beginning was Jesus." The "Word" is not synonymous with Jesus, or even the "Messiah."
101G
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well let's be clear, did JESUS pre-exist, or did the Christ pre-existed? your answer Pete.
101G.
You need to prove your assertions with Biblical verses. Without Biblical support, your assertions are automatically filed under Heresies.
101G
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well let's see what the bible say about that.... Scripture, Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
Pete, who is this "WITH" the LORD here ... who is First? will be looking for your answer.
101G.
That is not answering the question or dealing with what is noted in the passage
you have not addressed the thoughts and existence of Christ before becoming a man in the passage Phil 2:5-8
that is simply offering bald denial not dealing with the text or the argument
