He offers only bald denial
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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The question was
How does a non personal thing or a forethought consider or think?
based on this passage
Philippians 2:5–8 (NASB95) — 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
you have not addressed this point offering only bald denials.
That's why I automatically classify all of his unsupported assertions under Heresies. I've wasted enough time with him.
What would not be dodging would be you responding to the point made and show how a non personal, non existent thing could have an attitude or consider
Philippians 2:5–8 (NASB95) — 5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
What attitude or regard could come from a non-personal or non-existent thing?
The text is
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Care to show how that does not reference creation?
Jesus - I and the Father are one. [John 10:30]
Peterlag
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John 10:30
There is no reason to take this verse to mean that Christ was saying that he and the Father make up "one God." The phrase was a common one, and even today if someone used it, people would know exactly what they meant... he and his Father are very much alike. When Paul wrote to the Corinthians about his ministry there, he said that he had planted the seed and Apollos had watered it. Then he said, "... he who plants and he who waters are one..." (1 Corinthians 3:8 NKJV). In the Greek texts, the wording of Paul is the same as that in John 10:30, yet no one claims that Paul and Apollos make up "one being." Christ uses the concept of "being one" in other places, and from them one can see that "one purpose" is what is meant. John 11:52 says Jesus was to die to make all God's children "one." In John 17:11, 21 and 22, Jesus prayed to God that his followers would be "one" as he and God were "one." I think it's obvious that Jesus was not praying that all his followers would become one being in "substance" just as he and his Father were one being or "substance." I believe the meaning is clear: Jesus was praying that all his followers be one in purpose just as he and God were one in purpose.
Peterlag
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It's referring to God's wisdom. God created not Jesus.
Where do you see any reference to wisdom and how can you stater creation is not involved
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Your beliefs are not based upon the scriptural text.
Peterlag
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As a son in the royal family he did not see himself on equal grounds and thus emptied his royal right and humbled himself to be a servant. How you twist and spin this into he had to be God when nothing like that is said in that verse is beyond me.
Peterlag
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There are no thoughts of Christ before becoming a man. One cannot address something that is not there.
Peterlag
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John 1:1 is the verse. It says in the beginning was the word. It does not say in the beginning was Jesus.
Peterlag
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through it
Do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father?
You should talk to @brightfame52 who does believe in the pre-existence of souls. Talk about the blind leading the blind.
Peterlag
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You guys are going to be in shock when you get to heaven (that is if you make it) saying to the Lord WHAT? BUT What about John 1:1 and Philippians 2?You should talk to @brightfame52 who does believe in the pre-existence of souls. Talk about the blind leading the blind.
Peterlag
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Yes
Where do you see any reference to wisdom and how can you state creation is not involved
John 1:3 (NASB95) — 3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Clearly the reference is to creation, which you denied
Excellent! Well, John 1:14 says it's the Word who became flesh that is the only begotten Son from the Father. So, since you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of the Father then logically, the Word (who became flesh) is Jesus. Case closed.
(John 1:14) And the Word became flesh, and he lived among us, and we saw his glory, glory like that of an only-begotten son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
then deal with the text
Philippians 2:5–7 (LEB) — 5 Think this in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, existing in the form of God, did not consider being equal with God something to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself by taking the form of a slave, by becoming in the likeness of people. And being found in appearance like a man,'
When did Christ exist in the form of God in relation to becoming a man?
Can a non-existent, non-personal thing consider?
