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What's the different between the grace Moses received from God and the grace the gift of Jesus in Ephesians 2:8.
The difference is God gave only Moses some grace. Ephesians has everyone under the grace administration.

It's like I as a cop give only you grace by not giving you a ticket for the stop sign you did not stop for.

Years later the stop sign is removed for everyone.
 
What's the different between the grace Moses received from God and the grace the gift of Jesus in Ephesians 2:8.
I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.

The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.

The first is called the Paradise administration. It was the time of innocence, the time before the fall that ends with Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of the original paradise.

The second is the Patriarchal administration. It was the time after the fall from the Garden of Eden, but before the Law was given. This second administration ended with the coming of the Law to Moses.

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

The sixth begins with the appearing of Jesus Christ, and the gathering together of the saints. Believe it or not, this administration ends with Satan destroyed, and the great white throne judgment.

The seventh is the Glory or Paradise administration, which will not have an ending.

Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.

We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.

These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.

The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul.

From the eighth chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” and “that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

From the sixth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, it was written to those who lived under the Law administration, “it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.” However, from the third chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” What was written to those who lived under the Law administration is the complete opposite of what is written to us who live under the Grace administration.

We will always be in darkness and confusion regarding the truth of God’s Word if we do not understand the different administrations in the Bible. All hope for our redemption is in Jesus Christ, who was born into this world, died, and in the resurrection, he became the head of a new creation. The living resurrected Christ Jesus has become the one great subject that occupies the Word of God that the church belongs to. It's this Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration. The contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ.
 
Yes and many other concepts.
I saw one of them say one time, "We can skip Acts. It's a transitionary book anyway." Like what does that even mean? Of course I started quoting Acts until it was coming out of my ears after that. Peter is one of the most hardcore Unitarians in the Bible and he talks a lot within the first several chapters.
 
I saw one of them say one time, "We can skip Acts. It's a transitionary book anyway." Like what does that even mean? Of course I started quoting Acts until it was coming out of my ears after that. Peter is one of the most hardcore Unitarians in the Bible and he talks a lot within the first several chapters.
It's a mess. I blame the churches for this. The so-called leadership in the churches teach their people nothing. Folks on here don't know what part of the Bible is concerning them and what part is concerning Isreal. They don't know what the words "holy spirit" mean or the difference between holy spirit and The Holy Spirit. They don't know who Jesus is or what God is. It's a mess. And yet they come on here everyday and tell me I don't understand the Scriptures and that I'm ignorant concerning the Bible.
 
Hebrews 1:8...

deliberately borrows the royal, poetic language of Psalm 45 to describe the Son’s exalted status. In context the psalm speaks hyperbolically of a king; Hebrews applies that typologically. Importantly, the quote doesn’t leave us with a simple identity equation — it reads: “Thy throne, O God… therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee.” Grammatically and logically that places the Father as “God” who anoints the Son, implying a relationship of authority/submission (the Son has a God). That pattern fits the New Testament’s consistent picture of Jesus as the anointed agent of the one true God, not a separate co-equal deity.
 
Hebrews 1:8...

deliberately borrows the royal, poetic language of Psalm 45 to describe the Son’s exalted status. In context the psalm speaks hyperbolically of a king; Hebrews applies that typologically. Importantly, the quote doesn’t leave us with a simple identity equation — it reads: “Thy throne, O God… therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee.” Grammatically and logically that places the Father as “God” who anoints the Son, implying a relationship of authority/submission (the Son has a God). That pattern fits the New Testament’s consistent picture of Jesus as the anointed agent of the one true God, not a separate co-equal deity.
Something interesting is that in the footnote for Hebrews 1:8 an alternate rendering is provided in the RSV Bible, which says, "God is thy throne." It's a possible translation, but not a mainstream translation.

source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 1:8&version=RSV
 
The difference is God gave only Moses some grace. Ephesians has everyone under the grace administration.

It's like I as a cop give only you grace by not giving you a ticket for the stop sign you did not stop for.

Years later the stop sign is removed for everyone.
I repost my question, is my statement about Ephesians it true to you?

What's the different between the grace Moses received from God and the grace the gift of Jesus in Ephesians 2:8?
 
I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

To rightly understand the Word of God, one must understand what part is written to the Church of God and what part is written for the learning of the Church. Every word from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, is written for our learning. However, not all of the words from Genesis 1:1, to Revelation 22:21, are addressed to us. We must learn to distinguish not only the various people, but also the different time periods God has spoken to if we want to understand the written Word of God. The time God spoke to the children of Israel is not the same time period He has spoken to us. The time He spoke to the prophets in the time of the Old Testament is not the same time period He spoke to His Son Jesus Christ in the time of the gospels.

The different time periods in the Bible are called dispensations. The Greek word for “dispensation” is “oikonomia” meaning the act of administering. The word “o’kos” means house, and “nemo” means to dispense, to weigh or deal out, as a steward or housekeeper. Therefore, the word was used to manage or administrate a household. The word is used three times in Luke 16:2-4, where it's translated “stewardship.” In four other places it's translated “dispensation.” I like the word administration because it communicates very well with our current English language. We must understand these administrations have different time periods in the Bible and each have their own beginning and their own ending—with the exception of the last one.

The first is called the Paradise administration. It was the time of innocence, the time before the fall that ends with Adam and Eve being expelled from the garden of the original paradise.

The second is the Patriarchal administration. It was the time after the fall from the Garden of Eden, but before the Law was given. This second administration ended with the coming of the Law to Moses.

The third is the Legal administration. It's suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

The fourth is the Christ administration that overlapped and functioned within the Law administration. Both the Law and the Christ administration officially ended with the coming of Pentecost.

The fifth started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts. This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ.

The sixth begins with the appearing of Jesus Christ, and the gathering together of the saints. Believe it or not, this administration ends with Satan destroyed, and the great white throne judgment.

The seventh is the Glory or Paradise administration, which will not have an ending.

Administrations must be adapted to the time periods in which they are carried out. The administration with Adam before the fall was different from the one with his immediate family after the fall. The administration with Israel “under the law” was carried out on different principles from the present administration of Grace. This present administration is different from the one that will characterize the return of Christ. The administration of Judgment will be different from the one that will belong to the administration of Glory, when all things shall be gathered together in one under the headship of Christ.

We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we neglect to rightly divide the subject matter. As far as we are concerned in this Grace administration, what happened to Israel in the Old Testament was written for our learning. If we do not rightly divide to whom it's addressed—the Jew, Gentile, or the Church of God, we will use one truth to contradict another truth, and we will use what is true for one group in contrast to what is also true for another group.

These different administrations are suited to different times because God has spoken everything to its proper time and administration. We will never understand the truth of God’s Word if we read into one administration what God tells us belongs to another administration. If we believe what God said in one administration and carry it into another administration that was on a different principle, we will be taking what is true for one time, and using it to contradict what is also true for another time. When we mix them all together, by jumbling the whole Bible together: Law, Gospel, Grace, Judgment, Glory, Jew, Gentile, and the Church of God, we will be very confused in our understanding of the truth of God’s Word.

What is written directly to the Jews, belongs to and is for the Jews. What is written directly to the Gentiles, belongs to and is for the Gentiles. What is written directly to the Church of God, belongs to and is for the Church of God. What does God mean when He tells us that the visions shown to Isaiah was concerning Judah and Jerusalem? It was not addressed to us or written concerning us, but it was addressed to and concerning Judah and Jerusalem. It would be dishonest for the Church of God to interpret to the Church of God what God said concerns Israel.

The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace. It deals with the new covenant, and it belongs to the time that is called the administration of the mystery. It's a period in time that was not made known to any one prior to this administration because God kept it a secret since the world began. From this our Grace administration, we learn God’s secret purpose that He had placed in Himself, according to the administration of Grace, which was first revealed to the apostle Paul.

From the eighth chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” and “that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”

From the sixth chapter of the book of Deuteronomy, it was written to those who lived under the Law administration, “it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us.” However, from the third chapter of the book of Romans, it's written to those who live in this present Grace administration, “by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight.” What was written to those who lived under the Law administration is the complete opposite of what is written to us who live under the Grace administration.

We will always be in darkness and confusion regarding the truth of God’s Word if we do not understand the different administrations in the Bible. All hope for our redemption is in Jesus Christ, who was born into this world, died, and in the resurrection, he became the head of a new creation. The living resurrected Christ Jesus has become the one great subject that occupies the Word of God that the church belongs to. It's this Christ Jesus that is the key to the divine revelation in the Word of God for this our Grace administration. The contents of the New Testament must be understood in reference to Christ Jesus our Lord because the doctrine and nature of God for this our Grace administration are centered in His Christ.
I just hope you support your supposition with Bible verses, specially about law that was terminated.
All the administration you've mentioned, the common denominator was or is addressed to the "people of God" in the past, present and future.
 
I just hope you support your supposition with Bible verses, specially about law that was terminated.
All the administration you've mentioned, the common denominator was or is addressed to the "people of God" in the past, present and future.
It's not my spposition. It's the work of E.W. Bullinger who is considered one of the greatest biblical scholars in the last 300 years.
 
I repost my question, is my statement about Ephesians it true to you?

What's the different between the grace Moses received from God and the grace the gift of Jesus in Ephesians 2:8?
I answered you already. It's not my fault if you do not understand what I say. Just because God gave some grace to one person in the Old testament does not mean everyone had grace in the Old Testament.
 
Something interesting is that in the footnote for Hebrews 1:8 an alternate rendering is provided in the RSV Bible, which says, "God is thy throne." It's a possible translation, but not a mainstream translation.

source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 1:8&version=RSV
This I have posted many times and it's my bottom line. The Jews never saw the trinity anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking.
 
This I have posted many times and it's my bottom line. The Jews never saw the trinity anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking.
Yes, historically this is why Jews reject the trinitarian's presentation of Christianity. Always have, always will. They loved Jesus' version of Christianity, but when the "trinitarian church" got their hands on things they ran off the very people the new covenant was first presented to. It's ironic.
 
Yes, historically this is why Jews reject the trinitarian's presentation of Christianity. Always have, always will. They loved Jesus' version of Christianity, but when the "trinitarian church" got their hands on things they ran off the very people the new covenant was first presented to. It's ironic.
Yeah I hear Muslims are also turned off when they hear trinity.
 
Yeah I hear Muslims are also turned off when they hear trinity.
Yeah, Muslims are not super difficult to evangelize, but they also have some stumbling blocks to overcome. You have to explain with Scripture that Jesus isn't God. Most of them have only ever heard the trinitarian explanation of the Bible and genuinely don't realize that it isn't what Christianity is. They still have some tough questions, but once they realize the Bible doesn't actually teach a trinity or that Jesus is God a major hurdle has been overcome.
 
I answered you already. It's not my fault if you do not understand what I say. Just because God gave some grace to one person in the Old testament does not mean everyone had grace in the Old Testament.
Again, I repost my question, is my statement about Ephesians it true to you?
Because I refer Jesus as the God in Ephesians 2:8.

What's the different between the grace Moses received from God and the grace the gift of Jesus in Ephesians 2:8?
 
Something interesting is that in the footnote for Hebrews 1:8 an alternate rendering is provided in the RSV Bible, which says, "God is thy throne." It's a possible translation, but not a mainstream translation.

source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews 1:8&version=RSV
I try to always quote from literal word for word Bible translations that aims to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages. Paraphrase translations are the product from translators thoughts and not from the original wordings of the Bible.
No Strong Concordance and cannot be look upon what it means through Bible lexicons that define Bible words from the time it was used.
 
Again, I repost my question, is my statement about Ephesians it true to you?
Because I refer Jesus as the God in Ephesians 2:8.

What's the different between the grace Moses received from God and the grace the gift of Jesus in Ephesians 2:8?
I answered you and probably answered you a few times. You (I think) are too far gone to understand the Scriptures. We are under the grace administration and that's what the New Testament is telling you. The whole book of Galatians tells you that. It's all over Ephiesians.
 
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