All Claims of The Son's Deity

[amazing grace]

One does not realise how dangerous this false doctrine is until you dig into it.

Biblical Unitarian Beliefs (I know, I am one)

There is only one who is God. He is our Creator and the Father of all mankind (Malachi 2:10; Eph. 4:6). He himself declares: For I am God, and there is no one else; I am God, and there is no one like me. (Isa. 46:9) Jesus declares that his Father is the 'only true God' (John 17:3) and that the Father is both his God and the God of his disciples. (John 20:27)

Jesus is God's Son, born of a virgin, Jesus is the Christ, the only begotten Son of God (Matt. 16:16-18; 1 John 5:5) He is Lord it all who obey him (Luke 6:46; Heb. 5:9). He is the way to God. Jesus declares: I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). God has made Jesus to be both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). By the power of God, he is not the head (Eph. 1:19-22)

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God himself (Matt. 10:20). It is the Father in motion; touching and working in his creation. By it, God was/is the Father of Jesus (Matt. 1:18,20; Luke 1:35). By his spirit, God works in the lives of believers. Through it, we should strive to live like Christ and to mature as Christians. Paul writes:

I pray that, according to the riches of God’s glory, he may grant that you will be strengthened in your inner being with power through his spirit (Eph. 3:16).

Jesus died for our sins and was buried (1 Cor. 15:3, 4). But God raised him from the dead and set him at his own right hand as our leader and savior (Acts 5:30, 31). He will never die again (Rom. 6:10). For those who trust in Jesus, God has promised to also raise them from the dead and give them unending life (John 3:16). The Apostle Paul tells us:

God raised the Lord from the dead,
and he will also raise us by his power (1 Cor. 6:14).

Eternal life comes only through Jesus. As human beings, we are entirely mortal and subject to death. It is only through Christ that we can attain immortality – eternal life (Rom. 5:17 and 6:23). John writes:

Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not
have the Son of God does not have life (1 John 5:12).

Our response to God through Jesus Christ is to repent (have a change of mind) and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15), confess our faith, be baptized in water by immersion in the name of Jesus and receive the spirit of God. The Apostle Peter said:

Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

Coming to be “in Christ” makes a person a participant in God’s new covenant (Heb. 13:20, 21). In this covenant, Jesus is our mediator with God (1 Tim. 2:5), our leader – our head (1 Cor. 11:3). In the new covenant, Jesus is our teacher and we will be judged by his words (John 12:48-50).

Now ---- where is ANY danger in that? At least we don't serve a three headed God. . . .

 

[civic]

Biblical Unitarian Beliefs (I know, I am one)

There is only one who is God. He is our Creator and the Father of all mankind (Malachi 2:10; Eph. 4:6). He himself declares: For I am God, and there is no one else; I am God, and there is no one like me. (Isa. 46:9) Jesus declares that his Father is the 'only true God' (John 17:3) and that the Father is both his God and the God of his disciples. (John 20:27)

Jesus is God's Son, born of a virgin, Jesus is the Christ, the only begotten Son of God (Matt. 16:16-18; 1 John 5:5) He is Lord it all who obey him (Luke 6:46; Heb. 5:9). He is the way to God. Jesus declares: I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). God has made Jesus to be both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). By the power of God, he is not the head (Eph. 1:19-22)

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God himself (Matt. 10:20). It is the Father in motion; touching and working in his creation. By it, God was/is the Father of Jesus (Matt. 1:18,20; Luke 1:35). By his spirit, God works in the lives of believers. Through it, we should strive to live like Christ and to mature as Christians. Paul writes:

I pray that, according to the riches of God’s glory, he may grant that you will be strengthened in your inner being with power through his spirit (Eph. 3:16).

Jesus died for our sins and was buried (1 Cor. 15:3, 4). But God raised him from the dead and set him at his own right hand as our leader and savior (Acts 5:30, 31). He will never die again (Rom. 6:10). For those who trust in Jesus, God has promised to also raise them from the dead and give them unending life (John 3:16). The Apostle Paul tells us:

God raised the Lord from the dead,
and he will also raise us by his power (1 Cor. 6:14).

Eternal life comes only through Jesus. As human beings, we are entirely mortal and subject to death. It is only through Christ that we can attain immortality – eternal life (Rom. 5:17 and 6:23). John writes:

Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not
have the Son of God does not have life (1 John 5:12).

Our response to God through Jesus Christ is to repent (have a change of mind) and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15), confess our faith, be baptized in water by immersion in the name of Jesus and receive the spirit of God. The Apostle Peter said:

Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

Coming to be “in Christ” makes a person a participant in God’s new covenant (Heb. 13:20, 21). In this covenant, Jesus is our mediator with God (1 Tim. 2:5), our leader – our head (1 Cor. 11:3). In the new covenant, Jesus is our teacher and we will be judged by his words (John 12:48-50).

Now ---- where is ANY danger in that? At least we don't serve a three headed God. . . .

And we know the uni god cannot love, is incapable of love since love takes another person to know, experience, share love together with.

God is love is actually a lie, a false statement , doctrine in Unitarianism but it’s true in Trinitarianism.

hope this helps !!!

 

[amazing grace]

And we know the uni god cannot love, is incapable of love since love takes another person to know, experience, share love together with.

God is love is actually a lie, a false statement , doctrine in Unitarianism but it’s true in Trinitarianism.

hope this helps !!!

Show me where God says he is incapable of love since he is not a Triune God?

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [1 John 4:7-11]

You know - For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son . . . which you turn into a lie, a false statement by saying God came into the world albeit disguised in the flesh . . .

 

[civic]

Show me where God says he is incapable of love since he is not a Triune God?

Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. [1 John 4:7-11]

You know - For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son . . . which you turn into a lie, a false statement by saying God came into the world albeit disguised in the flesh . . .

its a fact love cannot be known or experienced in isolation, alone, by oneself without another to share in that love.

agapé: Love- affection, good-will, love, benevolence: John 15:13; Romans 13:10; 1 John 4:18. Of the love of men to men; especially of that love of Christians toward Christians which is enjoined and prompted by their religion

So if God is a uni then He cannot know or experience love which is goodwill , affection, benevolence towards another. The same is true of man. In isolation a human cannot know love.

next fallacy

 

[FreeInChrist]

Biblical Unitarian Beliefs (I know, I am one)

There is only one who is God. He is our Creator and the Father of all mankind (Malachi 2:10; Eph. 4:6). He himself declares: For I am God, and there is no one else; I am God, and there is no one like me. (Isa. 46:9) Jesus declares that his Father is the 'only true God' (John 17:3) and that the Father is both his God and the God of his disciples. (John 20:27)

Jesus is God's Son, born of a virgin, Jesus is the Christ, the only begotten Son of God (Matt. 16:16-18; 1 John 5:5) He is Lord it all who obey him (Luke 6:46; Heb. 5:9). He is the way to God. Jesus declares: I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me (John 14:6). God has made Jesus to be both Lord and Christ (Acts 2:36). By the power of God, he is not the head (Eph. 1:19-22)

The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God himself (Matt. 10:20). It is the Father in motion; touching and working in his creation. By it, God was/is the Father of Jesus (Matt. 1:18,20; Luke 1:35). By his spirit, God works in the lives of believers. Through it, we should strive to live like Christ and to mature as Christians. Paul writes:

I pray that, according to the riches of God’s glory, he may grant that you will be strengthened in your inner being with power through his spirit (Eph. 3:16).

Jesus died for our sins and was buried (1 Cor. 15:3, 4). But God raised him from the dead and set him at his own right hand as our leader and savior (Acts 5:30, 31). He will never die again (Rom. 6:10). For those who trust in Jesus, God has promised to also raise them from the dead and give them unending life (John 3:16). The Apostle Paul tells us:

God raised the Lord from the dead,
and he will also raise us by his power (1 Cor. 6:14).

Eternal life comes only through Jesus. As human beings, we are entirely mortal and subject to death. It is only through Christ that we can attain immortality – eternal life (Rom. 5:17 and 6:23). John writes:

Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not
have the Son of God does not have life (1 John 5:12).

Our response to God through Jesus Christ is to repent (have a change of mind) and believe the gospel (Mark 1:15), confess our faith, be baptized in water by immersion in the name of Jesus and receive the spirit of God. The Apostle Peter said:

Repent, and be baptized every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins;
and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

Coming to be “in Christ” makes a person a participant in God’s new covenant (Heb. 13:20, 21). In this covenant, Jesus is our mediator with God (1 Tim. 2:5), our leader – our head (1 Cor. 11:3). In the new covenant, Jesus is our teacher and we will be judged by his words (John 12:48-50).

Now ---- where is ANY danger in that? At least we don't serve a three headed God. . . .

No. Just a forked tongue.

The first defense of the doctrine of the Trinity was by Tertullian, who was born around AD 150-160, explicitly "defined" the Trinity as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and defended his theology against Praxeas.

Praxeas, if you do not know...Praxeas was a Christian theologian from Asia Minor in the late 2nd to early 3rd century, known for his belief in the unity of the Godhead and opposition to the division of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Believed in the three but as one in the Godhead. (NOT A 3 HEADED GOD)

YOU WANT EARLIER?

Polycarp ... a disciple of the apostle John.... So one would think he got some learning from one who was right there with Jesus

Polycarp, ( 69 - 155 AD) in his last prayer before martyrdom, acknowledged a tri-personal God, referring to the Father, His beloved Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit, indicating an early understanding of the Trinity. His teachings reflect a belief in the distinct persons of the Godhead while affirming their unity as one God.

Ignatius of Antioch... you should bookmark this so you can reference it a lot.

Ignatius of Antioch is one of the earliest Church Fathers to reference the concept of the Trinity, although he did not use the term "Trinity" itself. He emphasized the distinct roles of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in his writings, indicating an early understanding of their relationship within the Godhead.

Ignatius of Antioch's Understanding of the Trinity​

Early Context​

Ignatius of Antioch, an early Church Father who lived around 35-107 AD, is one of the first known leaders to reference the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in his writings. However, the term "Trinity" was not yet in use during his time. His thoughts on the Godhead reflect a developing understanding of the relationship between these three persons.

Key Beliefs​

• Father, Son, and Holy Spirit: Ignatius emphasized the distinct roles of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He referred to God primarily as the Father of Jesus Christ, indicating a close relationship between them.
• Divine Sonship: He acknowledged Jesus as "God" multiple times, affirming His divine nature and pre-existence. Ignatius stated that Jesus was "born of Mary" and conceived by the Holy Spirit, highlighting both His humanity and divinity.
• Unity and Distinction: While Ignatius recognized the distinct roles of each person in the Godhead, he did not articulate a systematic theology of the Trinity as later defined. His writings suggest a belief in their unity in purpose and essence, though he focused more on practical implications for faith and community.

Notable Quotes​

• Ignatius described Christians as "stones of the Father’s temple," indicating a communal aspect of faith that involves the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit working together in believers' lives.
• He often used analogies to express the relationship among the three, such as comparing the Church to a temple built by the Father, with Christ as the cornerstone and the Holy Spirit as the guiding force.

Conclusion​

Ignatius of Antioch laid foundational thoughts about the Trinity, emphasizing the importance of each person in the Godhead while contributing to the evolving understanding of this doctrine in early Christianity. His writings reflect a blend of reverence for the divine and practical guidance for the Christian community.

AND LET US NOT LEAVE OUT THEOPHILUS OF ANTIOCH

Theophilus of Antioch is another early Church Father who referenced the Trinity, using the term in his work "Ad Autolycum." Both Ignatius and Theophilus contributed to the early understanding of the relationship between the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit

Theophilus of Antioch​

• Time Period: 169–181 AD
• Key Contributions: Theophilus is noted for being the first to use the actual word "Trinity" (Greek: Trias) in his work "Ad Autolycum." He referred to God, His Word, and His Wisdom, linking them to the creation narrative in Genesis.

Here is a small chart on the 3.

Ignatius of Antioch	Early 2nd century	Mentioned Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in letters
Theophilus of Antioch	169–181 AD	First to use the term "Trinity" in his writings
Polycarp of Smyrna	70-155/160 AD	Prayed to the Father through Jesus, indicating a triadic view

 

[amazing grace]

No. Just a forked tongue.

I don't see where my beliefs indicated a 'forked tongue'.

I really don't care what you references may indicate they are but men.

Thanks but no thanks - I have earlier references. It's called scripture. God identifies himself as a singular being. The OT prophets speak of God as a singular entity. Jesus identifies his Father as a singular entity. Jesus identifies himself as a singular entity. Peter identified God as a singular entity and clearly differentiated between God the Father and his Son. Paul identifies God as a singular entity and clearly differentiated between God the Father and his Son.

For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

 

[amazing grace]

its a fact love cannot be known or experienced in isolation, alone, by oneself without another to share in that love.

agapé: Love- affection, good-will, love, benevolence: John 15:13; Romans 13:10; 1 John 4:18. Of the love of men to men; especially of that love of Christians toward Christians which is enjoined and prompted by their religion

So if God is a uni then He cannot know or experience love which is goodwill , affection, benevolence towards another. The same is true of man. In isolation a human cannot know love.

next fallacy

You didn't show me where God says he is incapable of love since he is not a Triune God?

Which is why God created humanity . . . not only to have dominion over the earth, but to have relationships with - to fellowship with and to bring honor and glory to Him.

 

[Blessed]

Digging Deeper:

Let us now venture a little deeper onto sacred ground. As we consider the mysteries of the Godhead, we notice that there seems to be an order of authority concerning the three persons in the trinity. Keep in mind that while all three are the same in properties and attributes, and equal in power and glory, it appears that the Father is recognized as the ultimate authority. “And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s” (1 Corinthians 3:23). “But I would have you know, that … the head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3).

The Son constantly receives His glory, power, throne, and prerogatives as Judge from the Father (John 3:35; John 5:22). Indeed, it was God the Father that “gave” the Son.

In fact, while it might not be wrong, we are never told to pray to Jesus or the Spirit—but instead to the Father in the name of the Son. Yet just because the Father seems to have supreme authority, it does not in any way diminish from the divinity of Jesus and the Spirit. That would be like saying that a corporal is less of a soldier than a sergeant.

Among the three members of the Godhead, we do not see a clamoring for preeminence, vying for recognition, or reveling in power. Instead, the exact opposite is true. In fact, the Father, Son, and Spirit always seem to be trying to outgive and glorify each other. The Father wants to glorify the Son. The Son lives to glorify the Father, and the Spirit lives to glorify the Father and Son


Doug Batchelor

 

[FreeInChrist]

I don't see where my beliefs indicated a 'forked tongue'.

You said " At least we don't serve a three headed God. . . . " I replied in kind based on where you seem to get info from.

I really don't care what you references may indicate they are but men.

Thanks but no thanks - I have earlier references. It's called scripture. God identifies himself as a singular being. The OT prophets speak of God as a singular entity. Jesus identifies his Father as a singular entity. Jesus identifies himself as a singular entity. Peter identified God as a singular entity and clearly differentiated between God the Father and his Son. Paul identifies God as a singular entity and clearly differentiated between God the Father and his Son.

For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

 

[amazing grace]

You said " At least we don't serve a three headed God. . . . " I replied in kind based on where you seem to get info from.

Oh, I got the info from here - the picture posted at #2819 and I have seen other such pictures denoting the Triune God.

 

[Grace ambassador]

Digging Deeper:

Let us now venture a little deeper onto sacred ground. As we consider the mysteries of the Godhead, we notice that there seems to be an order of authority concerning the three persons in the trinity. Keep in mind that while all three are the same in properties and attributes, and equal in power and glory, it appears that the Father is recognized as the ultimate authority. “And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s” (1 Corinthians 3:23). “But I would have you know, that … the head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3).

The Son constantly receives His glory, power, throne, and prerogatives as Judge from the Father (John 3:35; John 5:22). Indeed, it was God the Father that “gave” the Son.

In fact, while it might not be wrong, we are never told to pray to Jesus or the Spirit—but instead to the Father in the name of the Son. Yet just because the Father seems to have supreme authority, it does not in any way diminish from the divinity of Jesus and the Spirit. That would be like saying that a corporal is less of a soldier than a sergeant.

Among the three members of the Godhead, we do not see a clamoring for preeminence, vying for recognition, or reveling in power. Instead, the exact opposite is true. In fact, the Father, Son, and Spirit always seem to be trying to outgive and glorify each other. The Father wants to glorify the Son. The Son lives to glorify the Father, and the Spirit lives to glorify the Father and Son


Doug Batchelor

Precious friend, Excellent post; and even Deeper, we could add this:

1) The SON Humbly Submitted To The Father, and Was Sent To earth, as The Humble Servant!
(Luke 4:18; John 5:30, 5:36, 5:37, 6:39, 6:44, 6:57, 7:29, 20:21 AV)

2) The Holy Spirit Was Doubly Humble, Being Sent By Both The Father And The SON!!
(John 14:26, 15:26 AV)

Being Very Excellent 'Examples' for Grace believers to follow, eh?

Amen.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Digging Deeper:

Let us now venture a little deeper onto sacred ground. As we consider the mysteries of the Godhead, we notice that there seems to be an order of authority concerning the three persons in the trinity. Keep in mind that while all three are the same in properties and attributes, and equal in power and glory, it appears that the Father is recognized as the ultimate authority. “And ye are Christ’s; and Christ is God’s” (1 Corinthians 3:23). “But I would have you know, that … the head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3).

The Son constantly receives His glory, power, throne, and prerogatives as Judge from the Father (John 3:35; John 5:22). Indeed, it was God the Father that “gave” the Son.

In fact, while it might not be wrong, we are never told to pray to Jesus or the Spirit—but instead to the Father in the name of the Son. Yet just because the Father seems to have supreme authority, it does not in any way diminish from the divinity of Jesus and the Spirit. That would be like saying that a corporal is less of a soldier than a sergeant.

Among the three members of the Godhead, we do not see a clamoring for preeminence, vying for recognition, or reveling in power. Instead, the exact opposite is true. In fact, the Father, Son, and Spirit always seem to be trying to outgive and glorify each other. The Father wants to glorify the Son. The Son lives to glorify the Father, and the Spirit lives to glorify the Father and Son


Doug Batchelor

I like Doug Batchelor very much and catch him when I can.

I saw him just last week on a teaching on the Trinity.

Of course I understood what he was talking about but most the folks listening truly had no clue.

Such a shame.... I even took down his scriptures from that sermon, but I cannot begin to do them justice the
way he can.

Thanks for posting this.

 

[Peterlag]

• It's time to PULL the curtain back
  and reveal this deceptive hoax.

• It's time for the Satanic Wizard who
  has deceived so many to be exposed.

• The Satanic roots of Babylon inspired
  the Trinitarian falsehood of WHO God is.
• This is an undeniable realization that has been
  perpetrated upon false Trinitarian Christianity.

• It was planned and devised by the workers of Satan;
  who orchestrated this insane evil concept among the
  spiritually blind religious leaders who came up with the
  trinity.

 

[Donald]

It's time to PULL the curtain back and ask the nurse for your medication.

 

[Affinity]

It's time to PULL the curtain back and ask the nurse for your medication.

I did that with nurse Ratchet, and she wanted to give me a frontal lobotomy.

 

[AaronH]

Interesting:

The exact phrase "God the Father" appears 13 times in the New Testament.

The exact phrase "God the Son" appears 0 times in the New Testament.

Wouldn't there be at least one of the later if the bible wanted to be clear about Jesus' divinity?

 

[Joy]

If anyone tries to tell you that Jesus is not God in the flesh close your ears because anyone who believes that blasphemy will not enter into Heaven. Jesus said if you do not believe that I am He, you will die in your sins. If Jesus wasn’t God how could He die for our sins?

Not only your sins or my sins, but everyone in the whole world. God said that He is the only Savior. Can God lie? Scripture clearly says there is only one God so you must believe the Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are 3 divine persons in one.