Indeed. If Jesus is not who he is, then we are doomed. It hardly is troublesome to recognize his divinity. There is no concern since this is the testimony of scripture.
All Claims of The Son's Deity
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amazing grace
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I think you read it wrong . . . . Doesn't say we are go believe the Son is God.
Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the anti christ, he who denies the Fatger and the Son. No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever confesses the Son has the Father also. [1 John 2:22,23]
but whoever denies me before men, I will also deny before my Father who is in heaven. [Matt. 10:33]
Just takes a little reading comprehension.
It was the Father working in him. . . .
It would not make sense to call him Son of God and deny he is the God's Son. That is like someone says Mike the son of John does not mean that Mike is John's son. The phrases have no meaning outside of the precise relationship and essence of Jesus.
So your idea is that bad exegesis is merely reading comprehension. I did not anticipate you sharing this.
Maybe you have a verse for that. Elsewhere Jesus says "the Father is working and so am I" (Joh 5:17). Which counters your view. Maybe I'm just missing a verse here though.
AaronH
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I know the things that scripture clearly teaches! The Trinity is not one of those things.
You will just have to pay more attention to the testimony of scripture. At least it is obvious about the divinity of Jesus.
Runningman
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Trinity gods are entirely pagan in origin, not the same God of Scripture, which the Bible teaches is just a single person. This is well documented as well. Now you kinda have an idea of where the trinity came from. It was created to make it easier to bring in pagan converts in Rome.
Runningman
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Why do you seem to accept binitarianism but reject the Father with His exclusive deity?
And I was pointing out that trinitarianism didn't exist. Jesus doesn't have any deity according to the Bible. Jesus is God's begotten son who was made Lord and Christ, entirely created, and entirely human.
Runningman
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The Bible explicitly states God is Unitarian.
1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
So you are calling God a pagan God. That matches the early post of someone associating the NT writers with blasphemy or idolatry for pointing out Jesus' divinity.
I follow scripture. You also promoted binitarianism -- which is a step of insight you have not shown before. Now you have regressed back into total heresy
uh. Jesus cannot be the one through whom all things came unless he existed before creation. duh.
Runningman
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Your god isn't God. Your god is a pagan god. Kinda like how Peter pointed out.
Runningman
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You don't follow Scripture. There is absolutely nothing to support your views about God being a trinity in the entire Bible.
Runningman
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There is but one God, the Father. A statement that would make any trinitarian hiss.
Runningman
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No, I completely reject a binity as a false god as well. I am only pointing out the none of the earliest heretics were trinitarian, but binitarian. I don't agree with them. I wouldn't be caught dead with that idol.
You will have to convince God of your belief.
Makes sense that you twist a simple message into a heretical message.
Runningman
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God agrees with me.
You deny everything except that scripture reveals.
Runningman
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Scripture rules out a trinity.
1 Corinthians 8
6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.
