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Acts 22:16 Paul's salvation
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Doug Brents
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Isn't it amazing how quickly you go to insulting and ridiculing me personally when you cannot get me to agree with your falsehoods.I go by how the Greek words are properly defined.
You go by clown world.
Simple.
Isn't it amazing how quickly you go to insulting and ridiculing me personally when you cannot get me to agree with your falsehoods.
See Acts 13:10.
Doug Brents
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ahh, so you see yourself in that verse and are using that as an excuse for your unGodly actions. Good point.See Acts 13:10.
ahh, so you see yourself in that verse and are using that as an excuse for your unGodly actions. Good point.
What Paul did in Acts 13:10 was not an ungodly action.
For you to affirm it was is an ungodly accusation.
Doug Brents
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I didn't say what Paul said in Acts 13:10 was an unGodly action. I said you identify yourself with the one Paul was accusing of being unGodly, with the one who was the enemy of all righteousness, and are using your ungodliness as an excuse for further attacks on me personally. Now that I know the source better, I can better understand your false teaching. Thank you.What Paul did in Acts 13:10 was not an ungodly action.
For you to affirm it was is an ungodly accusation.
I didn't say what Paul said in Acts 13:10 was an unGodly action. I said you identify yourself with the one Paul was accusing of being unGodly, with the one who was the enemy of all righteousness, and are using your ungodliness as an excuse for further attacks on me personally. Now that I know the source better, I can better understand your false teaching. Thank you.
Thus, you are confused.
What a mess.
Doug Brents
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So you are saying you are not identifying yourself with the man speaking evil against Saul? It appears that you are claiming that, from your reference to that verse, since you refuse to accept the many different manifestations of the Spirit, you refuse to accept that those who are in Christ immediately receive the Spirit as the men in Acts 8 had, and you insist that to "receive the Spirit" always means receiving the indwelling of the Spirit, contrary to Scriptural evidence.Thus, you are confused.
What a mess.
So you are saying you are not identifying yourself with the man speaking evil against Saul?
Like I wrote earlier, you are confused.
Doug Brents
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Like I said, your opinion is noted and irrelevant.Like I wrote earlier, you are confused.
Like I said, your opinion is noted and irrelevant.
I go by how the words of the Bible are properly defined.
You are still in denial.
Doug Brents
Well-known member
Properly defined per your opinion and preconception. But this is getting us nowhere. You are stuck in denial of the Truth, and I am done trying to teach the deaf to hear or the blind to see.I go by how the words of the Bible are properly defined.
You are still in denial.
Properly defined per your opinion and preconception.
All the lexicons are wrong, but you are right?
One day you will hopefully leave clown world.
Doug Brents
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Lexicons are not inspired by God. They were written by men, and so they do contain errors and cannot be relied upon as the Bible can be. They also do not contain every possible usage of different words or phrases. You have glomed onto one meaning for the phrase "received the Spirit", and so can not allow any other explanation of what the phrase means. You are stuck in this rut of thinking you know all the answers and cannot possibly be wrong. I have seen your explanations of what you think passages mean, but you are not taking into account many other passages that give additional insight into the meaning of the phrase, as has been demonstrated in post after post above. Your trust in your "faith only" gospel is leaving you with many false assumptions, as is demonstrated in your belief that Cornelius was saved because the Spirit fell ON him in power, not into his heart as He does with the saved.All the lexicons are wrong, but you are right?
One day you will hopefully leave clown world.
Lexicons are not inspired by God. They were written by men,
But you are a man (not inspired by God) and want me and others to go by what you say!
Classic!
Doug Brents
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Not at all. I want you to realize that Scripture does not say what you are thinking it says. You have to take other Scripture into account in order to understand the meaning behind some of the texts you keep posting. Just because it uses the same phrase "received the Spirit" does not mean it always means the same thing in every place. And just because we are not saved by the actions we take does not mean that there is no action that we must take to receive salvation.But you are a man (not inspired by God) and want me and others to go by what you say!
Classic!
Not at all. I want you to realize that Scripture does not say what you are thinking it says.
Your opinion is noted and irrelevant.
Sorry no you have notI have dealt with your logic. You perceive the Spirit in one small, neat, manageable package. But He is not manageable, nor is He small. Just because "receiving the Spirit" means the indwelling sometimes, it does not mean that "receiving the Spirit" always means the indwelling. In the case of Acts 8, it is referring to the miraculous empowerment of the Spirit, which is what Simon was trying to buy.
When are you going to deal with the fact that the indwelling of the Spirit is immediately received upon salvation, and these men were saved when they were baptized into Christ. Even if we go with your understanding, baptism is not received until after one is saved, so the fact that these men had been baptized means that they had already been saved and had the indwelling presence of the Spirit within them.
You affirmed the indwelling is receiving the Spirit - yes or no
The text stated they did not receive the Spirit - yes or no
there is then no logical way for you to claim they were indwelt given the statement they had not received the Spirit
explain how one can be indwelt and not have received the Spirit given your affirmation
beyond that you beg the question and assume your doctrine of salvation upon water baptism
yet the gentiles were to hear words by which they would be saved
thus were saved through faith as the bible often proclaims
dwight92070
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I'm going through the book of Romans and counting the number of times that faith for salvation is specifically mentioned or obviously alluded to. I'm up to Romans 10:9. There are 53 such references so far, and not one of them mentions baptism. This is what we mean when we say that ONLY FAITH saves. Not faith plus this or faith plus that.
I will keep going through the New Testament. At this rate, I expect to find literally hundreds of verses, clearly showing us that even though water baptism is essential after one is saved, it has NOTHING to do with BEING SAVED.
If anyone is interested, I can give you a copy of all the verses when I finish.
I will keep going through the New Testament. At this rate, I expect to find literally hundreds of verses, clearly showing us that even though water baptism is essential after one is saved, it has NOTHING to do with BEING SAVED.
If anyone is interested, I can give you a copy of all the verses when I finish.
Bump for @Doug BrentsSorry no you have not
You affirmed the indwelling is receiving the Spirit - yes or no
The text stated they did not receive the Spirit - yes or no
there is then no logical way for you to claim they were indwelt given the statement they had not received the Spirit
explain how one can be indwelt and not have received the Spirit given your affirmation
beyond that you beg the question and assume your doctrine of salvation upon water baptism
yet the gentiles were to hear words by which they would be saved
thus were saved through faith as the bible often proclaims
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