Your Views on The Trinity

FreeInChrist said:
@Peterlag evidently does not believe scripture and no matter how many times verses have been in reply to him he never addresses them.
Click to expand...
Maybe you missed it. I will post it again and highlight the Scripture.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God.” These words apply to God, not to Christ. The one “who is and who was and who is to come” is clearly identified in the context as God, not Jesus Christ. Revelation 1:4-5 reads: “Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.” The separation between “the one who is, was and is to come” and Jesus Christ can be clearly seen.The one “who is, and who was and who is to come” is God.

The phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” has caused many people to believe this verse refers to Christ. However, study of the occurrences of the phrase indicates that the title “Alpha and Omega” applies solely to God. Scholars are not completely sure what the phrase “the Alpha and the Omega” means. Lenski concludes “it is fruitless to search Jewish and pagan literature for the source of something that resembles this name Alpha and Omega. Nowhere is a person, to say nothing of a divine Person, called "Alpha and Omega" or in Hebrew, Aleph and Tau.

Although there is no evidence from the historical sources that anyone is named “the Alpha and Omega” Bullinger says that the phrase “is a Hebraism, in common use among the ancient Jewish Commentators to designate the whole of anything from the beginning to the end." That would make the expression the figure of speech polarmerismos, similar to "and there was evening, and there was morning” which stands for the whole day in Genesis 1. The best scholarly minds have concluded that the phrase has something to do with starting and finishing something, or the entirety of something. Norton writes that these words “denote the certain accomplishment of his purposes; that what he has begun he will carry on to its consummation.
 
Here's more Scripture. I highlighted them to in case you did not see them when I posted this before...

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100%man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason. The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time. Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.

cc: @FreeInChrist
 
FreeInChrist said:
@Peterlag evidently does not believe scripture and no matter how many times verses have been in reply to him he never addresses them.
Click to expand...

Yes sir. He chooses to close his eyes to the truth.

  • And their eyes they have closed,

For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’
Matthew 13:15


Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.’

Only through repentance of this willful stubbornness can the blood of Jesus wash this sin of idolatry from him.
 
Peterlag said:
Here's more Scripture. I highlighted them to in case you did not see them when I posted this before...

The supposed “dual nature” of Christ is never stated in the Bible and contradicts the Bible and the laws of nature that God set up. Nothing can be 100% of two different things. Jesus cannot be 100% God and 100%man, and that is not a “mystery” but it's a contradiction and a talk of nonsense. A fatal flaw in the “dual nature” theory is that both natures in Jesus would have had to have known about each other. The Jesus God nature would have known about his human nature, and (according to what the Trinitarians teach) his human nature knew he was God, which explains why Trinitarians say Jesus taught that he was God. The book of Hebrews is wrong when it says Jesus was “made like his brothers in every respect” if Jesus knew he was God (Hebrews 2:17). Jesus was not made like other humans in every way if Jesus was 100% God and 100% human at the same time. In fact, he would have been very different from other humans in many respects.

For example, in his God nature he would not have been tempted by anything (James 1:13), and his human part would not have been tempted either since his human nature had access to that same knowledge and assurance. It is written he was tempted in every way like we all are (Hebrews 4:15). Furthermore, God does not have the problems, uncertainty, and anxieties that humans do, and Jesus would not have had those either if he knew he was God. Also, Luke 2:52 says Jesus grew in wisdom, but his human part would have had access to his God part, which would have given him infinite and inherent wisdom. Hebrews says Jesus “learned obedience” by the things that he suffered, but again, the human part of Jesus would have accessed the God part of him and he would not have needed to learn anything.

Kenotic Trinitarians claim that Jesus put off or limited His God nature, but that theology only developed to try to reconcile some of the verses about what Christ experienced on the earth. The idea that God can limit what He knows or experiences as God is not taught or explained in Scripture, and Kenotic Trinitarianism has been rejected by orthodox Trinitarians for exactly that reason.
Click to expand...

Do you not understand the God does not limit anything because it was God the Son not the Father that is at issue here.

You do not understand what you read. Nor the scriptures you post. But I am not going to go over each one that you have
posted because you will not understand.

Blessings




Peterlag said:
The very simple way to explain the “difficult verses” that Kenotic Trinitarians are trying to explain about Christ’s human experiences is to realize that Jesus was a fully human being, and not both God and man at the same time.
Click to expand...

BTW, I never said that. So exclude me from truing to explain what they try to.
Peterlag said:
Some assert we have to take the Trinity “by faith” but that is not biblical either.
Click to expand...

Don't sweat it. If Jesus returned this moment and told you you were wrong... you wont accept it. We all know this by now.
Peterlag said:
cc: @FreeInChrist
Click to expand...
 
JLB said:
Yes sir. He chooses to close his eyes to the truth.

  • And their eyes they have closed,

For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.’
Matthew 13:15


Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, so that I should heal them.’

Only through repentance of this willful stubbornness can the blood of Jesus wash this sin of idolatry from him.
Click to expand...
The first huge red flag should be that you believe the same doctrine as the Catholics.

I cannot find one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. A teaching... a whole paragraph or chapter. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking. This is why they cannot present one single biblical verse that clearly teaches that we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.

cc: @Fred @FreeInChrist @JLB
 
Fred said:
See 2 Peter 1:11 for help.
Click to expand...
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord (Lord means Jesus) and Saviour (Savior means Jesus) Jesus Christ (Jesus Christ means Jesus). No mention of God in that verse.
 
Peterlag said:
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord (Lord means Jesus) and Saviour (Savior means Jesus) Jesus Christ (Jesus Christ means Jesus). No mention of God in that verse.
Click to expand...

So if it mentioned "God" that means it can't be Jesus?

Check your bias, as well as your confusion.
 
DavidTree said:
Here is more evidence(outside of scripture) = God created us with THREE eyes

dwell on that

Depending on how you look at it: the human body has either 7 or 10 holes
Click to expand...
Then we also have skin pours, tiny openings in your skin that release oil and sweat.
 

Similar threads

synergy
The Predestination of the Greek OT, the Greek NT, and the Greek Language for the revealing of the Holy Trinity.
2 3
Replies
53
Views
969
101G
101G
Rory Wilson
The Trinity and the Incarnation
29 30 31
Replies
617
Views
8K
Fred
F
Rowan
The Trinity The Touchstone of Truth
45 46 47
Replies
924
Views
13K
Rowan
Rowan
M
Significance of the Virgin Birth
Replies
1
Views
34
Dizerner
Dizerner
Damien
Unitarianism
Replies
5
Views
373
TomL
T
Back
Top Bottom