Your Views on The Trinity
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Peterlag
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The word elohim is always found in the plural form and is often called a uniplural noun. A uniplural noun is a word that appears in the plural form but is used for singular and plural subjects alike. “Deer” and “fish” are examples of uniplural nouns in English. As with many Hebrew words, elohim carries more than one definition. When it is being used in a plural sense, it refers to “gods” or “men with authority.” When it is used in its singular sense, it can refer to “God” or “a god” or “a man with authority, such as a judge.” The Hebrew lexicon by Brown, Driver, and Briggs is considered to be one of the best available and it has as its first usage for elohim: “rulers, judges, either as divine representatives at sacred places or as reflecting divine majesty and power, divine ones, superhuman beings including God and angels, gods.
In referring to a plural subject, elohim is translated “gods” in many verses. Genesis 35:2 reads, “Get rid of all the foreign gods you have with you,” and Exodus 18:11 says, “Now I know that the Lord is greater than all other gods.” It is translated as “judges” in Exodus 21:6; 22:8; and 22:9 (KJV, HCSB, NET, NIV). It is translated as “angels” (KJV) or “heavenly beings” (NIV) in Psalm 8:5. Some Trinitarians teach that since the word elohim is plural, it implies a compound unity when it refers to God. However, in its plural use, there is no evidence that elohim implied that these “gods” had some kind of plurality of persons within themselves.
Elohim is also translated as the singular “god” or “judge,” and there is no hint of any “compound nature” when it is translated that way either. Examples of this use are: Exodus 22:20, “Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the lord must be destroyed.” Judges 6:31: “If Baal really is a god, he can defend himself when someone breaks down his altar.” Exodus 7:1: God says that He has made Moses a “god” (elohim) to Pharaoh. In Judges 11:24, the pagan god Chemosh is called elohim, and in 1 Samuel 5:7, the pagan god Dagon is called elohim. It is not taught or believed that these pagan gods were made of some kind of “compound unity” just because they were called elohim, and we should not conclude that because our true God is called elohim that He is a compound unity. He is not.
DavidTree
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Your conclusion from your earthbound knowledge base reveals the error in the electromagnetic frequency inside your brain.
FreeInChrist
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Wonderful. I truly mean that.
Now, have you ever noticed what they say for John 1:18
The Aramaic Bible in Plain English says.....
18 No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him."
Other Aramaic translations say
The Peshitta says in John 1:18
18No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.”
Aramaic John 1:18
18No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him."
New Peschito Syriac
1:18 ALOHA no man hath ever seen: the one-begotten God, he who is in the bosom of his Father, he hath declared him
Now, lest you believe the Aramaic bibles are all wrong.... there are others sources of the Aramaic, and they say the same thing. And the following is from the Greek/English Interlinear.
English/Greek Interlinear
English/Greek Interlinear John 1:18
Theon oudeis heōraken pōpote monogenēs Theos ho ōn
18 Θεὸν οὐδεὶς ἑώρακεν πώποτε ; μονογενὴς Θεὸς , ὁ ὢν
God no one has seen ever yet [the] only begotten God the [One] being
eis ton kolpon tou Patros ekeinos exēgēsato
εἰς τὸν κόλπον τοῦ Πατρὸς , ἐκεῖνος ἐξηγήσατο .
in the bosom of the Father He has made [Him] known
I was challenged yesterday as to why I tend to like the older transcripts and translations.
This is why. The older we can get, away from current techniques of translation and into the original languages as
close as we can... IMO ... puts us closer to knowing the truth about what went on and was said back then.
Do you have a clue as to the ramifications of these translations.
They are talking about the only begotten God (Word/Jesus) and His Father .
That means at least 2 in the Trinity... for those in the know said Jesus was God.
For you and others who have not seen this in the Holy Bible, in English.
NOW YOU HAVE!
Sure. It would be less likely or useful to have non-Christian translations.
Peterlag
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I don't consider the data in Trinity Bibles because I already know there's no Trinity or Oneness or that Jesus is God.
Peterlag
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@Redemption wrote it this way...
The error all trinitarians make in the first place is that they begin with assuming the trinity exists and then provide the things they say are evidence of the trinity. They cannot provide any actual evidence that anyone ever agreed with.
DavidTree
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The error that @Redemption and yourself make is that you both, by your own will, refuse to BELIEVE the Word.
God gave the CLEAR evidence when HE established all languages and HE chose the Hebrew language to record the
first five books of Scripture beginning with Genesis.
God chose the Hebrew word ELOHIM which is Plural for ELOHIM is PLURAL
Then ELOHIM did something Spectacular = HE drew a Mural on the Wall for everyone to see the Plurality of THREE
The only "anyone" in his response is the unitarians. He disregards Christians in their summation of what scripture reveals.
I occasionally share my finding on Gal 3:19-20 (#Gal3:19-20Link) where Paul does not teach on the divinity of Christ in the Shema but he knows their awareness of it. The finding of Gal 3:19-20 confirms at least that divinity of Christ, especially since those verses have not been used as part of the evidence of the triune essence of God. This sort of fits to what Peterlag said, namely that the Galatians read into this passage that divinity because that was their belief before reading Paul's letter.
Peterlag
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Oppppssss... my mistake. It was @Runningman who wrote...
The error all trinitarians make in the first place is that they begin with assuming the trinity exists and then provide the things they say are evidence of the trinity. They cannot provide any actual evidence that anyone ever agreed with.
Peterlag
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Grammar is not a teaching on the Trinity nor is there a verse in the Bible that says we should believe or confess that Jesus is God.
DavidTree
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Language/Grammar/Syntax/Deriviation/Definitions/Parables/Allegories/Symbolism are the methods of understanding and teaching used by the Holy Spirit
FreeInChrist
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I had no idea that one actually sided with you, but I have not been on here long enough to read everything written.
Which forum is it? Do you know the thread number?
FreeInChrist
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Liar, liar etc. You were provided from 2 separate biblical sources. One was from the bible you claim to read.
I suppose cherry picking key verses is all we can expect of you.
And you have denied God said of the Son Oh, God. I have posted this ad nauseum to the point that if you don't know it by now, YOU never will.
We don’t have to assume anything.
God was creating mankind. And giving them dominion over animals, which includes dogs.
Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Genesis 1:26
Please answer the question.
Who created man in the image of God?
Peterlag
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Cherry Picking? That's all you folks do. Trinitarians piece together statements that are scattered all over the Bible. They basically use bits and pieces of words and half verses along with their own human reasoning, imagination, speculation and assumptions as they pick one verse here, and another verse there, a hint here, and a clue there, and then they construct their "own God" which is the product of their own human thinking.
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