Runningman
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John 2:19-20 are statements, not actions. Where is the Son of God shown to have resurrected Jesus? Can you answer that?
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I am not compelled by grade school challenges. But I do see that you have tried to get around denying Jesus' promise.
Runningman
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Like fish in a barrel. I know you guys don't have any verses about the Son of God resurrecting himself.
I suppose when you think Jesus lied that there is no hope of you understanding scripture.Like fish in a barrel. I know you guys don't have any verses about the Son of God resurrecting himself.
Is it hard for you to kick against the goads?
Anyhow, we'll see if you have started to form any decent arguments to defend a unitarian heresy.
Runningman
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Jesus gave a prophecy and it came true. He simply spoke the words the Father gave him to say. It wasn't meant to be understood as something Jesus would literally do. John showed evidence of this in John 2:22 and, as I just showed, the rest of the entire Bible shows no examples of Jesus doing it. You're learning Mike! Aren't you glad I have been coming back more often?
You have a confused jesus.
Funny. So you blame the Father for telling his divine Son to lie. I think you shared that before.
Runningman
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Here we are again. @Peterlag here's another one who defaults to calling Jesus or God a liar rather than looking in a mirror.
Here's a question for you Mike. Did Elijah say the weather would obey hey at his word in 1 Kings 17:1? Did Elijah control the weather or did God control the weather? It's the same thing with Jesus who didn't actually resurrect himself.
Runningman
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Your jesus is not found in the Bible. No teachings to pray to your jesus, not teachings to fast to your jesus, no teachings to worship your jesus, no teachings of your jesus resurercting himself, no teachings of your jesus sitting on the throne of your god.
Funny that you are the one who denies Jesus' promise but blame that on those who point out the only logical options of your statement.
I see you tried to add a new argument. Your time away was wasted by finding a flawed argument.
Elijah with God apparently worked in unison. That means that Jesus caused his resurrection along with the Father.
Runningman
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The point was I was showing you how prophets can speak about doing something in the first-person perspective without themselves being the one to actually fulfill their own prophecy. There is just simply no supporting evidence to make your theory about Jesus resurrecting himself a logical option. The Bible is literally bankrupt on talking points to support Jesus having resurrected himself.
Your point failed due to it confirming Jesus's participation in his resurrection rather than demonstrating your view.
If we followed your parallel, Jesus should have said "you will not see me rise from the dead except by my word."
Runningman
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No the point succeeded. Your inability to discern that doesn't alter what the Bible says. In any case, you don't have any examples of Jesus resurrecting himself. Check mate.
uhoh. Is runningman saying there was no resurrection? I'm always surprised at the angles he takes. I'm surprised he still wants to deny 1 Kings 17:1 even though he brought it up.
Peterlag
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I fear the reason many of you can't understand the Bible is because you misquote it like you often misquote me. Like for example I said below that I fear the "never knew you" might. And you took fear and might and when you were done with it. It was that I know what will happen.
I fear the "never knew you" part might mean those who never knew Jesus because they thought he was God.
Runningman
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Jesus was resurrected by God, yes, but Jesus didn't resurrect himself. Hence you cannot even quote a single verse that shows where Jesus resurrected himself.
If you omit the key verse testifying against your view, you are playing with a stacked deck -- the unitarian way.
That is a goofy statement Peterlag makes. He embeds the idea that people were typically thinking that a stranger they saw was likely God.
Runningman
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People like Mike and Fred have a religion and they are sticking to it. It really pretty much comes down to that. What concerns me is the invincible ignorance associated with it. It's okay to be wrong, no shame in that, but being wrong and seemingly comfortable with it is where the shame comes. People should be truthseekers.
Runningman
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There aren't any verses where Jesus got up and performed a resurrection on himself. When you are ready to talk about that I am here.
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