duhh. Jesus did not go around dying each day and raising himself. This happened after his death. You do not have to thank me for fixing your thinking.
Your Views on The Trinity
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Runningman
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So, you admit that Jesus did not resurrect himself?
I'm saying it was not something he did all the time like you were suggesting by saying you do not see multiple verses of him doing that.
Runningman
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I am not saying Jesus resurrected himself all of the time or ever at all. Due to the lack of evidence in the Bible there is no other logical conclusion.
Question, why do the people in your religion keep saying Jesus resurrected himself, but when asked to show where the Bible demonstrates Jesus doing it you can't do it? In Christianity, we say that Jesus gave a prophecy about being resurrected when he spoke of the temple of his body being destroyed and raising it up again, but we know that the rest of the Bible says that God (the Father) did the resurrecting.
uh. maybe you can reconcile Jesus' statement of himself with the other statements of how he was raised. But that might be too hard for you unless you call Jesus or the Father a liar in John 2:19-20. You know the options by now. You will carry this with you for quite awhile now.
MTMattie
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As @Tothalordbeallglory said....
NO man takes my LIFE from me
I have the POWER to lay it down
and i have the POWER to raise it up
John 10:18 specifically
.“No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father.”
No man can. But He can as he is God. All part of the master plan that you are so clueless about.
Tothalordbeallglory
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There it is my dear sister . There it is indeed .
I HAVE the POWER to lay it down
and I HAVE the POWER to RAISE IT UP . Exactly sister . ex and zackly
or as MR ED loveth to say
his full name . ED ZACH LEE , SISTAH .
Tothalordbeallglory
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You already know full well what i type next
but let it be written anyway for all to read .
As you well know men will do as men will do and they will
sit under whatever man , whatever lesson is taught .
But sheep SIT UNDER THE KING .
And sheep beleive EVERY WORD written
even if sheep dont understand it .
SO allow me some parting words of lovely and pure TRUTH .
WHEN It was written long , long ago
That IN THE BEGINNING was THE WORD
and the Word was WITH GOD
and the Word WAS GOD
and the WORD became flesh . WELL BELEIVE what is written plainly for all to see .
GOD IS HIS WORD
And The WORD did Become flesh indeed .
GOD IS TRUTH , HIS WORD IS TRUTH , HIS SPIRIT IS TRUTH .
GOD IS LIFE and giveth LIFE .
And now a word . I AM THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE .
I AM the RESSURECTION . I do so deeply worry for very many in these last and final hours upon earth .
TO them trenches sister and all . We gots us a battle raging and a roaring
and many deceivers have infilatrated and taken many captive to a lie .
Peterlag
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They have two what my friend calls "Get Out Of Jail Free" cards. And they use it every single time whenever they need it.
1.) That was his human part.
2.) God did not mean for us to understand because we are only human.
There's no Scripture that says Jesus had two parts or that God wanted us to not know who Jesus is.
Tothalordbeallglory
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I already did show you . You just cannot recognize the scripture my friend .
OH i know many can run to google , they can run to church prepared cheat sheets
But what worries me is that THEY have no knowledge when TRUTH is simply written
and rather all they have is knowledge of what THEYS MEN and denominations TAUGHT THEM .
When i wrote
that men will do as men will do
but sheep will do as JESUS BIDS to do . I WASNT KIDDING .
sheep do not heed the lips of strangers of doctrine twisters . THEY just BELEIVE the TRUTH
even if they do not understand it in full . What they dont do
is try and TWIST what is written to fit THEY OWN MINDSET of what THEY or they pastor told them it meant .
Tothalordbeallglory
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Many sure can and do Run swiftly and dissappear . Running to cheat sheats , to google
to timelines and etc . Running to and fro .
And when one brings biblical doctrine to them
THEY DONT even recognize it lest one types out chapter and verse . WE got problems in the house indeed my friend .
What they dont do and dont really have is actual biblical knowledge .
At most many have pre concieved ideas about what men thought the truth meant and prepared
the scrips to fit their own minds ideals .
What many did not do
was have any real desire to just love and to enjoy , to learn and to grow
in the lovely pages of that there bible they often quoate out of text to support whatever it is they do so beleive .
Peterlag
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Am I to believe that I can do greater works than God?
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; (John 14:12)The Trinity folks have 2 what my friend calls "Get Out Of Jail Free" cards. And they use both every single time whenever they need them.
1.) That was his human part.
2.) God did not mean for us to understand because we are only human.
There's no Scripture that says Jesus had two parts or that God wanted us to be ignorant concerning the Scriptures.
Runningman
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In conclusion, you have no examples of Jesus resurrecting himself. That's the end of the debate, sir. There is no path forward for you to make any other arguments.
Runningman
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A lot of talking and no Scripture. Please show us the verse where any wrote about Jesus resurrecting himself. I would add, you would be the first one in the world, in all of history, to find it.
Runningman
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The only way in which Jesus received "lambano" his life back from being dead, was by his obedience to God's commandment that he should give it up of his own will and just as he also very clearly said in John 10:17-18.
Notice that Greek word "hina" that is translated in most translations as "that" for it actually means "in order that" and therefore the Commandment of God was that he would lay down his life of his own free will in order that he would received it back again from the dead and the authority he speaks of was God's word on it period.
Jesus was our example and forerunner in this also and just as the Bible says, for the same commandment is actually given to every believer, that if he will lay down his life in service and obedience to God even if it means his death by doing so, he will receive it back again at the resurrection when Jesus returns in the clouds.
MTMattie
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HE SAID; Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”John 2:20 The Jews then said, “It took forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?”
2:21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
2:22 So when He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He said this; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had spoken.
Now.... you tell me who raised Him? If the rest of the bible says God. That is correct because Jesus is God.
Runningman
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John 2:22 is written in the passive voice and suggests the way John interpreted Jesus' words as not something that Jesus would do to himself, but rather an action Jesus' body received. Means John didn't believe Jesus resurrected himself given the immediacy of the context of John 2:22 to John 2:19-21. The rest of the Bible says God (the Father) resurrected Jesus. Do you agree?
MTMattie
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Runningman
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No one in the Bible agrees with you that Jesus resurrected himself. There are no verses about that subject.
MTMattie
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Well then do not worry about me.You have all the agreement you need
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