Your Views on The Trinity

DavidTree said:
and sometimes it means falsehood mixed in with truth whereby..........oh you know
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but for some "logos" cannot be used in metaleptic application to Jesus. Ok. Metalepsis refers to taking the qualities of one thing to describe something else -- sort of like metaphor or analogy.
 
mikesw said:
but for some "logos" cannot be used in metaleptic application to Jesus. Ok. Metalepsis refers to taking the qualities of one thing to describe something else -- sort of like metaphor or analogy.
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“To whom then will you liken Me,
Or to whom shall I be equal?” says the Holy One. - Isaiah 40:25
 
Runningman said:
Jesus was correct. He spoke the words that God gave him to say.
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Excellent! Then you agree that Jesus does have the full ability to raise himself from the dead. Good. That falls in line with Trinitarianism.
Runningman said:
After that, the entire Bible says the one who performed the action is not Jesus. Do you believe that?
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That's in line with Christ's kenotic state on Earth and that's perfectly in line with Trinitarianism. Thanks for pointing out all those Trinitarian truths. We appreciate it
 
DavidTree said:
It makes a HUGE difference because JESUS did not use a single idiom in that specific passage.

No one is denying the use of idioms found in scripture as long as they are clearly present, in which case there are none present in
John 8:21-24
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Yes it is an idiom. The words "I am from above" is the idiom, which means he's all about what comes from God. Not that he was once up there.

John 8:23
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
 
Peterlag said:
Have you noticed how many times Jesus said that "He came down out of heaven" or similar words? John 6:33, 38, 50, 51, 58; 16:27-28

Something was said to have come from God or come from heaven if God was its source. For example, James 1:17 says that every good gift is “from above” and “comes down” from God. What James means is clear. God is the Author and source of the good things in our lives. God works behind the scenes to provide what we need. The verse does not mean that the good things in our lives come directly down from heaven. The phrase “he who came down from heaven” in John 3:13 is to be understood in the same way we understand James’ words—that God is the source of Jesus Christ, which He was. Christ was God’s plan, and then God directly fathered Jesus.

There are also other verses that say Jesus was “sent from God,” a phrase that shows God as the ultimate source of what is sent. John the Baptist was a man “sent from God” (John 1:6), and it was he who said that Jesus “comes from above” and “comes from heaven” (John 3:31). When God wanted to tell the people that He would bless them if they gave their tithes, He told them that He would open the windows of “heaven” and pour out a blessing (Malachi 3:10). Of course, everyone understood the idiom being used, and no one believed that God would literally pour things out of heaven. They knew that the phrase meant that God was the origin of the blessings they received. Still another example is when Christ was speaking and said, “Where was the baptism of John from? From heaven or of human origin?” (Matthew 21:25). Of course, the way that John’s baptism would have been “from heaven” was if God was the source of the revelation. John did not get the idea on his own, it came “from heaven.” The verse makes the idiom clear: things could be “from heaven,” i.e., from God, or they could be “from men.” The idiom is the same when used of Jesus. Jesus is “from God,” “from heaven” or “from above” in the sense that God is his Father and thus his origin.

The idea of coming from God or being sent by God is also clarified by Jesus’ words in John 17. He said, “Just as you sent me into the world, so I sent them into the world.” (John 17:18). We understand perfectly what Christ meant when he said, “I sent them into the world.” He meant that he commissioned us, or appointed us. The statement does not imply that we were in heaven with Christ and then incarnated into the flesh. Christ said, “As you sent me…I sent them.” So, in the same way that Christ sent us is how we should understand the phrase that God sent Christ.
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What a crock! Peterlag makes up lies as he goes along. I've never heard so many lies as those told by those who refuse to accept the truth that Jesus is God.
 
dwight92070 said:
What a crock! Peterlag makes up lies as he goes along. I've never heard so many lies as those told by those who refuse to accept the truth that Jesus is God.
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Idioms are used often in the Bible even if you deny them or don't understand Eastern culture. Same with the food Manna that Israel found on the ground. It did not fall from the sky like snow. It was on the ground in the morning. The idiom was that it came from above or it came from heaven.
 
Fred said:
Concerning the word "above" as used in John 8:23:

1. BDAG (3rd Edition): what is above=heaven...I am from the world above J 8:23 (anō)
2. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: from heaven, John 8:23 (anō)
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g507/nasb95/mgnt/0-1/
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Idioms are used often in the Bible even if you deny them or don't understand Eastern culture. Same with the food Manna that Israel found on the ground. It did not fall from the sky like snow. It was on the ground in the morning. The idiom was that it came from above or it came from heaven.
 
Peterlag said:
Idioms are used often in the Bible even if you deny them or don't understand Eastern culture.
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If you want to play pretend with what the words of the Bible mean they go right ahead.
Just don't think serious students of the Bible are going to tag along with you in your confusion.
 
Tothalordbeallglory said:
They lie in wait TO DECEIVE . for that is how the deciever and his children work .
They twist scrip to promote a lie . Sheep dont heed or feed from them my friend.
Sheed heed and feed FROM JESUS THE CHRIST and every word HE spoke is meat to their soul .
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Agree

i do not think @mikesw is seeking to deceive - we must hear his words for God is with us and:
"as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another"

then the officers came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, “Why have you not brought Him?”

The officers answered, “No man ever spoke like this Man!”

Then the Pharisees answered them, “Are you also deceived? Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?
But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed.”

Nicodemus (he who came to Jesus by night, being one of them) said to them,
“Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?”

They answered and said to him, “Are you also from Galilee? Search and look, for no prophet has arisen out of Galilee.”
 
Peterlag said:
Idioms are used often in the Bible even if you deny them or don't understand Eastern culture. Same with the food Manna that Israel found on the ground. It did not fall from the sky like snow. It was on the ground in the morning. The idiom was that it came from above or it came from heaven.
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Peter,
As iron sharpens iron, So a man sharpens the countenance of his friend. - Proverbs 27:17


Allow the Holy Spirit which is speaking to you from others to assist your understanding.
This is how the Body of Christ functions as a Living Spiritual Assembly where Christ is the Center focus.

All of us can learn from Revelation 7:17

For the Lamb in the Center of the Throne will be their Shepherd.
‘He will lead them to springs of living water,’
and ‘God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.’”

Rejoice in CHRIST and every word HE has spoken for our Salvation
 
DavidTree said:
Agree

i do not think @mikesw is seeking to deceive - we must hear his words for God is with us and:
"as iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another"

then the officers came to the chief priests and Pharisees, who said to them, “Why have you not brought Him?”

The officers answered, “No man ever spoke like this Man!”

Then the Pharisees answered them, “Are you also deceived? Have any of the rulers or the Pharisees believed in Him?
But this crowd that does not know the law is accursed.”

Nicodemus (he who came to Jesus by night, being one of them) said to them,
“Does our law judge a man before it hears him and knows what he is doing?”

They answered and said to him, “Are you also from Galilee? Search and look, for no prophet has arisen out of Galilee.”
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Yes indeed my friend . It was a general reminder to us all
that many therebe within christendom in deadly dire dangers .
Devil dont come
with a pitchfork and a tail to deceive . He comes as though He ya best friend and
will speak of love , but it be of the world . Many are nibbling at his bait
And liking the taste of it too . I am very worried for many now my friend .
Now this sheep sees the bait and to me it smelleth like a combo of ol fashioned cat fish bait
with a splash of puke and what for sure smells like its been digested at least once .
It real stinky to the lambs of the KING JESUS . . Sheep feast on truth , not stink bait .
 
Tothalordbeallglory said:
Yes indeed my friend . It was a general reminder to us all
that many therebe within christendom in deadly dire dangers .
Devil dont come
with a pitchfork and a tail to deceive . He comes as though He ya best friend and
will speak of love , but it be of the world . Many are nibbling at his bait
And liking the taste of it too . I am very worried for many now my friend .
Now this sheep sees the bait and to me it smelleth like a combo of ol fashioned cat fish bait
with a splash of puke and what for sure smells like its been digested at least once .
It real stinky to the lambs of the KING JESUS . . Sheep feast on truth , not stink bait .
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Under the OT law, catfish are designated "unclean" because, as you pointed out, catfish feed on the bottom and feed on dead flesh.
 
DavidTree said:
Under the OT law, catfish are designated "unclean" because, as you pointed out, catfish feed on the bottom and feed on dead flesh.
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Very dangerous , very deadly and highly deceptive are the days we now dwell in my friend .
I never seen a love more humanity centered and yet claimed as GOD centered , in all my days .
A hint
when ya love focuses on pleasing men rather than Pleasing GOD , boy there be a serious problem in the house .
But all i seem to see today in so many places
is a love that has done JUST that . Always focused on what might offend
and we all know that led too accepting sin . as it always do , cause that is what leaven do .
I see a love so stank
one could have smelled it under water . ITS foul . Men preaching men pleasing sermons
about a GOD they know nothing about and a love that rebels against HIM and more so by the hour .
 

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