Your Views on The Trinity

[Peterlag]

Even an amateur detective would say: "There's a pattern here.", especially after seeing it 164 times! But you don't want to see that, so you belittle it and mock it. Not only that, but the fact that it occurs in the Word of God, where the Holy Spirit directed the words to be used, is also highly significant. If it happened in another book, it would still reveal a pattern created by the author, but would not be anything more than interesting reading. But the Holy Spirit is the author of the Bible, which we are commanded to meditate on, and when we do that, we will know the truth. The Holy Spirit presents the three persons, of course He being one of them, as inseparable. Go ahead and mock and deny it, but you do that to your own harm.

All you folks ever put in front of me are bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

That my brother requires "faith". And "faith" to some is merely a 5 letter f word.

OH so true this is my friend . but i feel a bit led to remind us of something .
IT DEPENDS on what FAITH one is talking about .
cause many sure seem to love the faith IN HUMANITY and IN SELF
rather than the FAITH IN GOD , IN CHRIST ALONE .
They have all faith , but its in the wrong stuff . ITS IN MEN who twist and lie
or in politics, in denominations , in systems , in popes , in watch towers
in joey smith and bring em young baby
and what ever else twists doctrine to recreate the image of the god who pleases their flesh .
we got big time problems in the house mattie .
I see a charity today that is total dung
but due to satan always blends in truths and due to it ALLOWS SINS
many grab it up .
BELEIVING it to be the love of GOD , when in truth
its the love of the world and the love of the god of the mirror and of the world who has blinded the eyes
of those who beleive not .
Satan is praised by much of christendom as he has by the world .
satan is being honored
and this people is so dumbed down they dont realize HE can use the name of JESUS
he can say GOD IS LOVE , but MAN has he twisted things .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

That my brother requires "faith". And "faith" to some is merely a 5 letter f word.

I never once asked a person to just trust in me and follow me blindly .
My mission has been Get this people back into the scriptures to learn for themselves .
To preach JESUS THE CHRIST and not some other jesus or other gospel .
I have stayed to the simple
FOR GOD showed me long ago TO DO THIS . you cannot feed meat to those
who wont even follow CHRIST in the first place .
GOD has shown me to get this people established in GRACE and not meats
to teach and to remind them of the simple things , the basic words of CHRIST
HIS teachings and the apostels teachings .
And yet i am one of the most hated , most put on ignore
than most i have ever seen on all these sites .
This site has been FAR FAR FAR better than most . I have to say that .
BUT i do see a danger in it
because if they continue to allow men to teach acceptance of sins
and other gospels
and DENY GOD IS HIS WORD and etc
THEN its just gonna end up taking this place over too . cause people ARE gonna wear out .
THINK about it . IF most of us just came together to honor CHRIST
to speak the simple truth , to remind and to stir up
and IF or when one came in that brought ANY other gospel , blasphemies or etc
AND when they were corrected THEY REFUSED TO HEAR IT
we had removed them , we would not have to spend even a tenth of a percent of our time
CONSTANTLY correcting . we could have spent more time EDIFYING and building one another up IN THE FAITH .
this seeker friendly judge not , just find common ground just try and get along , HAS GOT TO GO .
and believe me i am all about us having unity
and getting along , I JUST WONT COMPROMISE ONE WORD OF TRUTH FOR IT . none of us should .

 

[mikesw]

All you folks ever put in front of me are bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

uh. Paul was not teaching general theology. He was addressing specific problems. I guess that is beyond your study of scripture.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

uh. Paul was not teaching general theology. He was addressing specific problems. I guess that is beyond your study of scripture.

I think ol peter lag is in deadly dire danger .
And it is quite simple to show HIM but some have and he wont hear it .
IT reminds me of the unbelieving jews who told JESUS
IF you are the CHRIST THEN TELL US PLAINLY
and HE said to them I have but you beleived not . ITS THE WORKS and WORDS .
LOOK at the words of JESUS . I am alpha and omega
Look at the words of john
IN the beginning was THE WORD
and the WORD was WITH GOD
and the WORD .............WAS GOD .
Even thomas learned the truth eventually as he knelt before HIM and said exactly what HE said
and JESUS never once corrected THAT .
People are blind . GOD IS HIS WORD . its as simple as that .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

IF ye are THE CHRIST then TELL US PLAINLY .
I HAVE , but you have beleived NOT .
LOOK at the WORDS in that bible . LOOK at them .
Look at what JESUS calls himself in revelation .
Look at what JESUS says about THE SPIRIT who would come to comfort them .
Look at why paul often uses phrases like the SPIRIT of CHRIST that is in you
the SPIRIT of GOD that is within you .
GOD IS HIS WORD , a fact many might have a hard time beleiving , but ITS A FACT .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Some had rather try and explain to us how a car is not really a car .
and use some of the oddest reasoning i have ever truly seen to establish thier own point .
I SAY LET THE WORDS of TRUTH reveal themselves .
rather than trying to twist the words of TRUTH to reveal SOMETHING it never meant .

 

[MTMattie]

All you folks ever put in front of me are bits and pieces of words and half verses that are scattered all over the Bible. If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...

Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.

The Epistles would have writings like...

Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.

And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.

And should that be done.... because I for one see it as I read the scriptures, but you are blinded...

If it were done lets say.... Baptize in the name of the Father na dof the Son and of the Holy Spirit because these 3 are God

First thing that would do is call into question as to why faith is needed.

2. Then someone, perhaps you Peter would say, there is no proof because no one has seen the father and no one has seen the Holy Spirit other when a bird was alleged to be Him so it is false....

3. Someone would say if all 3 are God and 2 are on earth why then , when believers follow do they automatically not cure them of their diseases and infirmities.

4. Someone would say if Jesus is one of the three why then did he always mention the Father as the Father and not as an equal.

You get the idea.... we could go on and on ... because even if it was spelled out you still would not believe in your blindness.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

And should that be done.... because I for one see it as I read the scriptures, but you are blinded...

If it were done lets say.... Baptize in the name of the Father na dof the Son and of the Holy Spirit because these 3 are God

First thing that would do is call into question as to why faith is needed.

2. Then someone, perhaps you Peter would say, there is no proof because no one has seen the father and no one has seen the Holy Spirit other when a bird was alleged to be Him so it is false....

3. Someone would say if all 3 are God and 2 are on earth why then , when believers follow do they automatically not cure them of their diseases and infirmities.

4. Someone would say if Jesus is one of the three why then did he always mention the Father as the Father and not as an equal.

You get the idea.... we could go on and on ... because even if it was spelled out you still would not believe in your blindness.

To the trenches mattie the hour is late . It be LORD praising and thanking time in the buiding .

 

[MTMattie]

To the trenches mattie the hour is late . It be LORD praising and thanking time in the buiding .

Halleluiah,

Maranatha,

Amen and amen.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Halleluiah,

Maranatha,

Amen and amen.

mount up regulators and contenders for the true faith . Our mission aint over
TILL ITS OVER , the day we breath our last or the GLORIOUS LORD DO COME .
Paradise awaits the sheep . Not the goats .
And seeing we desire not the death of any , WELL ITS TIME to POINT TO JESUS and ALL his lovely sayings
and all truth written and recorded for our learning . HIT them trenches mattie
WE in the army of THE GLORIOUS KING
and our weapon is no longer the M sixteen A one assault rifle , ITS THE J three sixteen spritual rounds of truth .
Sound it out to the last breath . JESUS IS LORD and to be saved ONE MUST BELIEVE .
Onward christain soldiers of the KING for the hour is late .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

And should that be done.... because I for one see it as I read the scriptures, but you are blinded...

If it were done lets say.... Baptize in the name of the Father na dof the Son and of the Holy Spirit because these 3 are God

First thing that would do is call into question as to why faith is needed.

2. Then someone, perhaps you Peter would say, there is no proof because no one has seen the father and no one has seen the Holy Spirit other when a bird was alleged to be Him so it is false....

3. Someone would say if all 3 are God and 2 are on earth why then , when believers follow do they automatically not cure them of their diseases and infirmities.

4. Someone would say if Jesus is one of the three why then did he always mention the Father as the Father and not as an equal.

You get the idea.... we could go on and on ... because even if it was spelled out you still would not believe in your blindness.

men gonna do as men gonna do and the peoples will hear that which is of the world .
But the sheep gonna do as JESUS said to do and they HEAR HIS VOICE .
TO the trenches mattie the hour is late and the battle is peaking for the souls of men .

 

[Marvelloustime]

men gonna do as men gonna do and the peoples will hear that which is of the world .
But the sheep gonna do as JESUS said to do and they HEAR HIS VOICE .
TO the trenches mattie the hour is late and the battle is peaking for the souls of men .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭22‬:‭12‬-‭13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[MTMattie]

mount up regulators and contenders for the true faith . Our mission aint over
TILL ITS OVER , the day we breath our last or the GLORIOUS LORD DO COME .
Paradise awaits the sheep . Not the goats .
And seeing we desire not the death of any , WELL ITS TIME to POINT TO JESUS and ALL his lovely sayings

And only to Jesus the Christ, who is our Lord and God.... with The Father and the Holy Spirit.

and all truth written and recorded for our learning . HIT them trenches mattie
WE in the army of THE GLORIOUS KING
and our weapon is no longer the M sixteen A one assault rifle , ITS THE J three sixteen spritual rounds of truth .
Sound it out to the last breath . JESUS IS LORD and to be saved ONE MUST BELIEVE .
Onward christain soldiers of the KING for the hour is late .

 

[MTMattie]

men gonna do as men gonna do and the peoples will hear that which is of the world .
But the sheep gonna do as JESUS said to do and they HEAR HIS VOICE .
TO the trenches mattie the hour is late and the battle is peaking for the souls od men.

 

[Marvelloustime]

I think ol peter lag is in deadly dire danger .
And it is quite simple to show HIM but some have and he wont hear it .
IT reminds me of the unbelieving jews who told JESUS
IF you are the CHRIST THEN TELL US PLAINLY
and HE said to them I have but you beleived not . ITS THE WORKS and WORDS .
LOOK at the words of JESUS . I am alpha and omega
Look at the words of john
IN the beginning was THE WORD
and the WORD was WITH GOD
and the WORD .............WAS GOD .
Even thomas learned the truth eventually as he knelt before HIM and said exactly what HE said
and JESUS never once corrected THAT .
People are blind . GOD IS HIS WORD . its as simple as that .

@Tothalordbeallglory
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.”
‭‭John‬ ‭1‬:‭1‬-‭5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

[Runningman]

Right before he writes that part in romans
He says That if one will CONFESS the LORD JESUS .
calling upon the LORD , means CALLING UPON JESUS THE CHRIST .
the jews claimed to call upon and even worship GOD
but did they . NO SIR . not the ones who rejected CHRIST .
To call upon THE NAME of THE LORD . equals CALLING UPON JESUS THE CHRIST
those are who will be saved .

And believe that God raised him from the dead, yes. Means Jesus isn't the God who raised himself from the dead. For example, the Bible never says Jesus resurrected Jesus, that the Son of God resurrected Jesus, or anything like that. The Bible says God the Father (who is a holy Spirit) resurrected Jesus.

Please show even one verse where it says Jesus performed an action to resurrect himself. In the meantime, I will give you nearly two dozen verses that prove he didn't resurrect himself.

Since Jesus isn't the one who reusrrected Jesus, then he isn't the LORD (YHWH) the Bible says to call on to be saved. To the contrary, YHWH is the Lord Jesus called on to be saved (Hebrews 5:7)

Acts 2:32 – "This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."
Acts 3:15 – "And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."
Acts 3:26 – "Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you..."
Acts 4:10 – "Be it known unto you all... that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead..."
Acts 5:30 – "The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree."
Acts 10:40 – "Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly..."
Acts 13:30 – "But God raised him from the dead."
Acts 13:33 – "God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus..."
Acts 13:34 – "And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead..."
Acts 17:31 – "Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."
Romans 6:4 – "Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father..."
Romans 10:9 – "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."
1 Corinthians 6:14 – "And God hath both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power."
1 Corinthians 15:15 – "Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ..."
2 Corinthians 4:14 – "Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus..."
Galatians 1:1 – "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead)."
Ephesians 1:17, 20 – "That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory... Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead..."
Colossians 2:12 – "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."
1 Thessalonians 1:10 – "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead..."
1 Peter 1:21 – "Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead..."

 

[Fred]

Please show even one verse where it says Jesus performed an action to resurrect himself.

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): The idea of the self-resurrection of Jesus is first found in Johannine theology (Jn. 2:19, 21; 10:17, 18) (2:335, egeirō, Oepke).

 

[Runningman]

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): The idea of the self-resurrection of Jesus is first found in Johannine theology (Jn. 2:19, 21; 10:17, 18) (2:335, egeirō, Oepke).

Those are spoken words. They aren't action statements. What Jesus said can be understood as prophetic.

Please show even one verse where it says Jesus performed an action to resurrect himself.

 

[Fred]

Those are spoken words. They aren't action statements.

Did Jesus lie?