Your Views on The Trinity
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Peterlag
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A car is steel and wires and plastic, but a car is not a car. The word "car" is a name.
Peterlag
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I have no knowledge of anything the JW believes. I am not with them nor have I ever been with them. And this is true no matter how many times you keep saying that I am.
Selah
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… because Jesus is God. Emmanuel, which means God with us.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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This sounds like a off shoot of some new age buddism eastern thought stuff .
A car is not a car . then what is it , an object , but wait object is a etc
You are the one who is scrambling madly at word play my friend .
So a human is not a human . guess a bird is not a bird its a word . Oh wait i think there is a song
for that . My goodness .
Plastic is a word , steel and wires are words and names too .
SEE where this madness ends .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Something is dead wrong my friend . Peterlag has went down a odd trail .
This reminds me of a buddist who long ago was trying to teach me concepts .
ITS the oddest most peculiar madness .
Even the buddist was like Rambling on and on about beleif .
And i kept trying to tell him
BUT YOU BELIEVE what you are teaching . HE could not see the concept at all
of how i was showing him his madness .
Peter lag is just scrambling words now to do all to defend his position .
This is quite scary .
IF our minds become trapped into this kind of mindset
THERE is no telling what we are and will become capable of beleiving .
I seen madness in the buddist , almost like an insanity on word play .
People make things way too complicated .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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So water is not water , word water is just a name . DO you see the madness in this reasoning yet .
I aint being mean , i am actually become terrified for you and how you are reasoning things .
OF COURSE water is water and water is also a name to Call it . come on man . This trail is not safe at all
that you are reasoning by . only partial truths exist in it . like the part where you say the word car is a name
BUT the part where you say a car is not a car . That is madness my friend . Sure it is . OR wait is it a house .
come on man .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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I highly suggest and plead that no man goes down the trail of this word play i am seeing massively at work
in another . It is truly terrfiying to watch that kind of reasoning .
We need to be in prayer that another gets out of that type of logic and reasoning and fast .
This is scrambled reasoning big time.
For example one says well an egg is not an egg its a word . WELL yeah i know its a word , a title
but it is what the egg is called . Its like a half truth is used to promote madness .
Be in prayer for that man . Reasoning such as that will and has led the mind into a trap .
MTMattie
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You told me I was wrong on my tempting/testing reply.
I disagree.
When man took it upon himself to translate specific words when translating the Holy Bible, they more often or not chose the meaning that they felt fit the situation as they interpreted properly.
Hence the tempting.
We know Jesus could not have sinned if he even wanted to. He was sent by God. He was born of God. He was God.
(Now is not the time for that explanation.)
The explanation of Strongs
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
tempt, examine, try
From peira; to test (objectively), i.e. Endeavor, scrutinize, entice, discipline -- assay, examine, go about, prove, tempt(-er), try.
Lexicon: peirazó: To test, to tempt, to try, to examine
“Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one.” James 1:13 ESV
And I posted the following to illustrait it should have been testing.
Mēdeis peirazomenos legetō hoti Apo Theou peirazomai ho gar Theos apeirastos
No one being tempted let say - , By God . I am being tempted - For God unable to be tempted
so you feel I am wrong... I disagree.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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TO the trenches . the carnal mind of man has and can surely complicate that which is so simple .
Let us stand firm on the simple truth my friend . Onward in the glorious LORD .
MTMattie
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Make the comment from Jesus fit when you say God died himself.
“Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
God forsook Himself?
" “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:34).
God asking Himself to forgive "them/us"?
OR
"“Father, into Your hands I commit my spirit” (Luke 23:46)."
Into His own hands?
Jesus was/is God is true. But separate from the One he was praying to.
MTMattie
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Well, it cannot be God because that is a descriptive title ...
so when someone gets it right... send me a PM
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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Not all of it . you were correct on some points .
You are correct on the part that GOD does not tempt any man nor can he be tempted .
He does trials . temptations might be allowed but they come OF THE FLESH , NOT GOD .
JESUS could not have sinned . Correct , yet being in the flesh
all things were allowed to come at him and yet HE overcame all .
Ps . THE DESIRE TO SIN , the lusts of the flesh come of the flesh , NOT GOD . that is correct my friend .
Trials are different . A trial is something the flesh is contrary too .
temptation comes of the flesh .
Example , when a man lusts after a woman , THAT COMETH of the man , of his flesh
Abraham being told to perform a sacrfice of his only son , THAT was a TRIAL , a test .
temptation , lusts lead to sin
trial , to obediance . does that make sense .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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I was trying to make a point that in the bible the word temptation was dually used .
Because many try and act as though when it says GOD tempted abraham
that is a contradiction to the word .
NO . in that case the word tempted was not a tempation , it was a trial .
does that make sense .
MTMattie
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@TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
It makes sense to me.... and so does the translators not doing the temptation of Christ correctly
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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blood , flesh , skin . they are all words used to also describe . Do you see the madness yet .
A uncle IS a living creature , a man is a living creature .
You are using odd partial truths to literally speak some odd stuff my friend .
What is next , GOD is not GOD , its a title , not a living creature .
DO you see the madness in this reasoning yet .
The truth is FATHER is a name but HE is the Living GOD . you act as though
You are trying so hard to reason what you believe its led to some of the oddest word play i have seen .
I seen this in a buddist long long ago .
WHEN he kept telling me THERE IS NO BELIEF . Belief was an invention of man
AND yet i kept telling him BUT YOU BELEIVE what you Say . HE COULD NOT SEE it .
His word play led to madness .
He kept trying to break down the word Belief . saying lie is in it and etc .
YET everything he was trying to teach me , HE BELIEVED . aint that madness my friend .
HE says HE beleives in nothing cause beleif was invented of men .
AND YET HE SURES beleives in that dont he . THIS is madness . a reasoning of a mind
that can no longer reason . I dont want you to go down that rabbit trail , its end is very bad
and its author is naught but CONFUSION .
look at how confusing you are making things with your reasoning .
SO if a car is not a car ...............then you go to say its metal
One could use your same reasoning back on you to say well metal is not metal .
DO you see this confusion .
Fellow Traveler
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"I mean hey love corrects right" I love that. And we can do that here in a loving, kind manner. It's Bible time,' U Can't Touch This'...Jesus in the house.
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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THE LORD HE IS GOD and The sheep do follow Him my friend .
Onward in the trenches .
The bible has by man been made so complicated , when all along
they twisted parts of it to fit their own ideals .
This do not the sheep . To them every lovely WORD of GOD is meat for the soul
as honey to the taste .
They read , they learn and heed by the power of the SPIRIT that indwells them .
Too many have made so much confusion into things .
And who is the author of confusion ...................that one is one the sheep will not heed .
Now to the trenches my friend . To the trenches one and all .
TOTHALORDBEALLGLORY
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well we sure dont correct in hate . i mean if one simply corrects in hate
that can easily be seen . HE has no desire for the one he corrects to really be saved .
Example . i have seen men rail on certain sins and YET THEY KEEP TOO and HOLD to their sins .
THEY pick and choose also things in the bible . THE LOG is still in their eye .
That is why they cannot see HOW to pull the speck out of the others eye .
IF we see ourselves as ANY BETTER THAN anyone , WE are decieving ourselves .
THE TRUTH IS the only reason a sheep even walks in a new nature , A GOD pleasing nature
IS DUE TO GOD , cause it darn sure aint the flesh that changed us .
Now people do make a mistake about seeing one who is grave
as being non loving . THAT too would be a serious mistake .
Save some with compassion , others with fear , hating even the garment spotted by the flesh .
THE KEY IS whatever we do , we must SPEAK the TRUTH IN LOVE
whether it be grave or etc . BUT not to accuse and condemn
but rather to warn as DO GOD for the sake of those in the error .
SEEING GOD never desired the death of any
YET LOOK at them serious warnings HE gave
SEEING JESUS came to give life and not to destroy , YET LOOK at how often he warned direly .
Something this generation got badly messed up
was when it was taught a certain way to correct that focused on pleasing man . THAT was a mistake .
LOOK when i correct its out of fear for the souls of men . NOT to accuse
NOT to condemn , but because i desire GOOD for them . Does that make sense .
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