Bob Carabbio
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SO how long have you been living a perfectly SINLESS life???
Your views on human beings having a sin nature
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Bob Carabbio
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Sorry, but there was no such thing as "Christ" in Noah's day, and Noah wasn't "Regenerated" since nobody was until AFTER Calvary.
brightfame52
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Thats funny Christ has always been, and Noah as well as all Gods elect were given Grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
and Yes Noah was regenerated, anyone who had Faith See Heb 11 were regenerated. Also please show me the scripture that says:
"Noah wasn't "Regenerated" since nobody was until AFTER Calvary."
Are you trying to confuse him/her with facts?
Bob Carabbio
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John 14:17 tells us that the Holy Spirit was always "With" us, but in the future would be IN US, which event is recorded at John 20:22.
And before the incarnation, there was no "Jesus".
THERE WAS the WORD, who was made flesh when He was conceived in Mary, and was named "Jesus" when he was born.
brightfame52
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Also please show me the scripture that says:
"Noah wasn't "Regenerated" since nobody was until AFTER Calvary."
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
noted as a future promise here
Ezekiel 36:22–28 (KJV 1900) — 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
The Rogue Tomato
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Strike this line out of Psalms since it occurs before Calvary. 
Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
brightfame52
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You had two
There is no regeneration without the holy Spirit
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
and regeneration was still a future promise here
Ezekiel 36:22–28 (KJV 1900) — 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
brightfame52
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The Rogue Tomato
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Strike this line out of Psalms since it occurs before the Holy Spirit was given.
Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
Says nothing about personal indwelling in the new covenant mannerStrike this line out of Psalms since it occurs before the Holy Spirit was given.
Psalm 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
The spirit was had for service by Kings, prophets those appointed to certain tasks not for personal permanent indwelling and regeneration
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
that did not happen until the glorification of Jesus
You had two
There is no regeneration without the holy Spirit
John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
and regeneration was still a future promise here
Ezekiel 36:22–28 (KJV 1900) — 22 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name’s sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went. 23 And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, saith the Lord GOD, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes. 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land. 25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you. 26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them. 28 And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
Bob Carabbio
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Do the math. Until after Calvary NOBODY was Cleansed of their SIN, since it was impossible before Jesus' SIN OFFERING (Isa 53:10). Since "Regeneration" indicates the infilling of the Holy Spirit, then John 20:22 was the first time that had happened.
Simple as that.
brightfame52
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The Rogue Tomato
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3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
How were they in the presence of God/Jesus while still being uncleansed from sin?
Bob Carabbio
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Why not?? Jesus said that the Holy Spirit has been WITH YOU. Samson was empowered by, and ministered (violently) with God's Power, when he was really just a libidinous fool.
Whether you like it or not, NOBODY was cleansed of their sin until AFTER Calvary, and the SIN OFFERING in Jesus BLOOD had been made.
Hello, TRT,
It was a vision of the glory of Yeshua would receive, how we look to him now the way had be paved, with John preparing that for him.
“And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, and James, and John his brother, and doth bring them up to a high mount by themselves, and he was transfigured before them, and his face shone as the sun, and his garments did become white as the light, and lo, appear to them did Moses and Elijah, talking together with him. And Peter answering said to Jesus, ‘Sir, it is good to us to be here; if thou wilt, we may make here three booths — for thee one, and for Moses one, and one for Elijah.’ While he is yet speaking, lo, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and lo, a voice out of the cloud, saying, ‘This is My Son, — the Beloved, in whom I did delight; hear him.’ And the disciples having heard, did fall upon their face, and were exceedingly afraid, and Jesus having come near, touched them, and said, ‘Rise, be not afraid,’ and having lifted up their eyes, they saw no one, except Jesus only. And as they are coming down from the mount, Jesus charged them, saying, ‘Say to no one the vision, till the Son of Man out of the dead may rise.’ And his disciples questioned him, saying, ‘Why then do the scribes say that Elijah it behoveth to come first?’ And Jesus answering said to them, ‘Elijah doth indeed come first, and shall restore all things, and I say to you — Elijah did already come, and they did not know him, but did with him whatever they would, so also the Son of Man is about to suffer by them.’”
Matthew 17:1-12 YLT98
Matthew 17:1-12 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, and James, and John his brother, and doth bring them up to a high mount by themselves, and he was transfigured before them, and his face shone as the sun, and hi | Young's Literal Translation 189
And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, and James, and John his brother, and doth bring them up to a high mount by themselves, and he was transfigured before them, and his face shone as the sun, and hi
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civic
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Nope the Son has always been. There was no Messiah until He became man at the Incarnation.
You don’t know Christology or the Trinity.
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