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101G
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well as said, post scripture where he didn't have the Holy Spirit in him at anytime? the scripture please. Gene, Gene, if you was born with a hand...... do it just go away on it's own.... see you're caught in an ERROR, and you dig yourself further into a hole by lying excuses. quit while you're on solid ground. well at least you're .... (smile). Oh dear.
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was he God wife, subservient, how? is not God subservient to his children? this is what 101G is always saying. do not God harken unto our demands, if not then prayer is doomed then, (which it is not).....
YIKES!101G.
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The Son humbled Himself and became obedient to the Father unto death. Read about it in Philippians 2 sometime.was he God wife, subservient, how? is not God subservient to his children? this is what 101G is always saying. do not God harken unto our demands, if not then prayer is doomed then, (which it is not).....
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He was in submission to the Father at all times ie SUBSERVIENT. Wives submit to your husbands as you do Christ Eph 5:22. The husband is the head of wife as Christ is the head of the church. 1 Cor 11:3- I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Eph 5:24- Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.Now you can deal with the TRUTH in Scripture above. Your argument is with God, not me.
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civic
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Yikes is right. Like I said earlier there are roles within the Godhead, that is reflected be in the different roles within the 2 institutions ordained by God to reflect Him- the Family and the Church. Made in Gods image to reflect Him in this world.
Pride is the original killer, its what caused sin in the first place. Its just the opposite of God which is humility of mind. A Character/ Attribute of God.
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Pride is the original killer, its what caused sin in the first place. Its just the opposite of God which is humility of mind. A Character/ Attribute of God.
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101G
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That's an ERROR. did you not read my post on this. woman here is a Home setting. not a church setting. once again.
1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
THIS IS A HOME SETTING CONCERING "WIVES" OF HUSBANDS.
1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."
1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
THIS IS A CHURCH SETTING CONCERING "WIVES" OF HUSBANDS.
the keyword here is "Woman", again let's get KOWLEDGE and UNDERSTANDING.
KNOWLEDGE: the term "Woman" here in both verses are
G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096
how do we know this term is speaking of Wives and not a woman general which is,
G2338 θήλυς thelus (thee'-lïs) adj.
female.
[from thele (the nipple)]
KJV: female, woman
NOW CLEAR UNDERSTANDING: 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman/WIFE to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man/Husband, but to be in silence."
as said this is a home setting. for the term Man here is like the term woman.... husband.
Man: G435 ἀνήρ aner (a-neer') n.
1. (properly) a man, an individual male.
2. (maritally) a husband.
3. (family, plural) menfolk, the men of a family.
[a primary word]
KJV: fellow, husband, man, sir
Compare: G444
See also: G1135
now, a MAN in General,
Man: G730 ἄρῥην arrhen (ar'-rheen) n.
ἄρσην arsen (ar'-seen)
male (as stronger for lifting).
[probably from G142]
KJV: male, man
in 1 Timothy 2:12, both the terms Man, and woman there are "HUSBAND", and "WIFE". how do we know this. simple by deductive reasoning. and here is our answer. 1 Timothy 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."
so, what KIND of "WOMAN" bare children? answer a MARRIED ONE..... Legally.... ok. and she bare these children by who? answer, her "HUSBAND", meaning they are MARRIED, husband and WIFE. again, a HOME setting
the same thing with 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women/WIVES keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law."
and the telling verse to prove that this is about Husband and wives, 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."
BINGO, there it is "HUSBANDS" my God this is just too easy not to get it wrong. HUSBANDS are MARRIED to "WIVES". My God.
this is why the church doors are not broken down for people trying to get in, IGNORANT TEACHERS.
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civic
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evasion stick with the topic.
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civic
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are all things under His feet now ?
next...........................
end of discussion.
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101G
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ERROR, we suggest you UNDERSTAND what's the Difference between "Subject," and "BE Subject" means, LOL, LOL, LOL, they are not the same.are all things under His feet now ?
next...........................
end of discussion.
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is not JESUS God?, ... (smile)Is God Immutable ?
oops...............
next.................
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YIKES!now answer my question, and you will see if he's Immutable. so, is "Subject", the same as "BE Subject"..... (smile), your answer please. WARNING, think before you answer.
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civic
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You need the word study not me. Subject, Submit, Subservient are all synonyms.
You can carry on this with someone else. Your skeptical questions will not change the biblical fact on women obeying/submitting to men in both the family and church.
conclusion: your argument is with accepting Gods truth, its not with me. You are just shooting the messenger.
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101G
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let's see if what you said is true, HEADSTART TIME:You need the word study not me. Subject, Submit, Subservient are all synonyms.
You can carry on this with someone else. Your skeptical questions will not change the biblical fact on women obeying/submitting to men in both the family and church.
conclusion: your argument is with accepting Gods truth, its not with me. You are just shooting the messenger.
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also @GeneZ
SUBJECT: G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so) v. According to Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary of American English. the Greek word here, G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso, this word is used as a verb, and not a noun. (that will alert one attention quickly). as a verb one can quickly see, or understand what subject means here in context. a. put within, b. will. lets look at both and understand this revelation. according to the second definition of subject in the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary as a verb, it means 2. To put under or within the power of. (there is our revelation, “within” within the power of). lets back this up with our second understanding. G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso (hoop-ot-as'-so) as a verb which means 1. to subordinate
2. (reflexively) to obey
[from G5259 and G5021]
KJV: be under obedience (obedient), put under, subdue unto, (be, make) subject (to, unto), be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
please notice, the KJV can translate subject, G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso, as be under obedience, which bring us to our second understanding. lets see this in scripture, Matthew 26:42 " He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done”. now here is the revelation. the Lord Jesus is God “OWN” arm. scripture, Isaiah 63:5 " And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. so being his “OWN” arm it is through, or “within” the agency of the Lord Jesus Christ that his, (GOD), OWN “will” is done, hence the obedience. this is proven out in the definition of G5293 ὑποτάσσω hupotasso itself. the definition also states from G5259 and G5021, lets see what G5259 ὑπό hupo
(hoop-oh') states,
1.under
2.(with the genitive case) of place (beneath), or with verbs (the agency or means, through)
3.(with the accusative case) of place (whither (underneath) or where (below) or time (when (at)) In the comparative, it retains the same general applications, especially of inferior position or condition, and specially, covertly or moderately.
[a primary preposition]
KJV: among, by, from, in, of, under, with
examine definition #2 above carefully, it said, when used as a verb. there is our conformation, the agency or means, “through”. and “through” is synonyms with “WITHIN”. so when G5259 is use in VERB form, meaning with a verb as in “BE” subject as here in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28 then it is understood to be used as the “agency or means, through”. other words Isaiah 63:5 is totally correct and on point when God said, " And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me”. the power is in, or within God “own” arm, which the Lord JESUS is, “God’s own arm. THIS IS JUST TOO EASY WHEN ONE STUDY TO SHOW THYSELF APPROVE UNTO GOD.
that’s all needed, the Holy Spirit, (the Revelator, as teacher) and an old English dictionary like the Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary. the Holy Spirit will enable us or give us the ability to root out words and their meaning to understand the old English language used at that time when the bible was written. now let get the clear understanding, verse 28 "And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself “be” subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all". and JESUS is God .... ALL IN, IN, IN, ALL ..... lol, lol, lol, . a little word "BE" changed all the meaning of "Subject". oh My, Oh dear.
see Civic, this also answer the subservient role that "GOD" did as his "OWN ARM" while in flesh and it answer God's Immutable as well as his LORDSHIP by being ALL IN. IN, IN ALL. this is just too easy not to he understood.
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think so? Hebrews 5:12 "For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat." Hebrews 5:13 "For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe." Hebrews 5:14 "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."
see, 101G been there, done that.
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