What is false doctrine ?

[Amos]

For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left.
MATTHEW 24:37–41


Next to the Sermon on the Mount (Matt. 5–7), the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24–25 is the second longest uninterrupted message of Jesus in the New Testament. The Discourse, as found in Matthew, is also the second longest prophetic passage in the New Testament next to the book of Revelation. If one adds the fact that the Discourse has extended parallels in Mark 13, Luke 17, and Luke 21, its importance for interpreting prophecy becomes self-evident.

All perspectives of the rapture—pretribulation, midtribulation, prewrath, or posttribulation rapture—have paid close attention to the Discourse in Matthew, especially the nonparabolic material in Matthew 24:1–45.

The reason for this is that the special Greek term for the future “coming” of Christ, parousia, is found in the Gospels four times—all in Matthew 24.

Parousia means “coming, arrival” but also carries the meaning of the “presence” of a person after his or her arrival. The word is used broadly by Bible interpreters as a synonym of Jesus’ second coming.

Some opponents of premillennialism understand Matthew 24 as prophesying exclusively the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem.

On the other hand, premillennialism often considers the prophecies of the AD 70 event to prefigure or foreshadow the future coming of Jesus.

Luke 21, a parallel passage to Matthew 24, prophesies the second coming of Christ but also predicts the destruction of Jerusalem.2 But Mathew’s presentation of the Discourse is focused more on the future coming of Jesus than on the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.

Distinguishing between these two prophetic events is sometimes challenging. One can see why Moo concludes, “Most scholars have claimed that the Olivet Discourse is the most difficult portion of the Gospels to interpret.”

wayoflife.org

 

[Grace ambassador]

What’s flabbergasting to me about the pre-tribulation theory...

Precious friend, can we label a prayerful and careful Rightly Divided Bible study a 'theory'?:

Because of a lot of vicious attacks and 'name-calling' about it on you-tube, I prayed about it, and took
18 months off to do this very thing; and:

Was previously asked: "carefully examined this in the light of TRUTH???"
A: I believe so, with my outline:

"Do all things Decently And In Order!" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV)​

(1A) PEACE With God! Receiving The Holy Spirit For understanding?
(1B) 1A e-x-p-a-n-d-e-d for Clarification?

(2a) Which Bible: AV, or, any "newer modern version" will suffice?
(2b) AV And God's Bible study Rules!

(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! - Brief Introduction...
(3b) Three "Ages" Rightly Divided! = God's Timelines?

(4) Which "Gospel" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?
(5) GREAT Tribulation? or, tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!?

(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure Expectations!?
(7) God's Heavenly UPlook For His Body!?

(8) Watching, Waiting, And Looking: For WHOM! or, For "signs"?
(9) God's Removal Of His Body Of CHRIST!:

(10) "Day Of CHRIST { Light }!" / Rightly Divided from {RDf}:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ "The Day Of The LORD [ Darkness ]!"?​

​

(11) Confidence in death/resurrection, Or, in living/glorification!?
(12) CHRIST Will Come "Without Warning!"?

(13) The Two "Trumps" Of God, In His "Age Of GRACE"?
(14) Meeting Him "In The Air" Up To Heaven! vs U-turn (theology?)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Back down To earth?​

​

(15) Preparation For [ Israel's tribulation? OR: ]

The Judgment Seat Of Christ!? (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)​

(16) Post Departure Deception Question?
(Many Related Scriptures +)

+

Part 17 ( ~ 100 Plain and Clear Scriptures For a ) Conclusion:

God's Great Grace Departure!​

So far, there have no "takers to have a kind and humble discussion with" showing their
"compelling Scriptural Evidence" on This Important Matter.

Perchance, my precious friend, you might be the first?

Amen.

 

[Cosmo]

The doctrine of the Rapture was written to a church for the churches. It is a mystery revealed to the churches. It is not about Israel. It was not revealed to Israel and has nothing to do with Israel and her program with God and her covenants.

The Rapture is when Christ will collect His bride and bring her to the mansions He has prepared for her and she will see Him in His glory. The church has nothing to do with the day of the Lord, which is a day pertaining to the unsaved world and to Israel “the day of Jacob’s trouble.”

The church has nothing to do with Daniel’s 70 Week prophecy, which pertains to “thy people” (Daniel’s people, Israel) and “thy holy city” (Jerusalem) .

The churches are not seen on earth in Revelation after chapter three. The events of Revelation 5-18 pertain to the world and to Israel. The church of God is a separate entity with her own program with God “the Jews ... the Gentiles ... the church of God.”

 

[DavidTree]

Precious friend, can we label a prayerful and careful Rightly Divided Bible study a 'theory'?:

Because of a lot of vicious attacks and 'name-calling' about it on you-tube, I prayed about it, and took
18 months off to do this very thing; and:

Was previously asked: "carefully examined this in the light of TRUTH???"
A: I believe so, with my outline:

"Do all things Decently And In Order!" (1 Corinthians 14:40 AV)

(1A) PEACE With God! Receiving The Holy Spirit For understanding?
(1B) 1A e-x-p-a-n-d-e-d for Clarification?

(2a) Which Bible: AV, or, any "newer modern version" will suffice?
(2b) AV And God's Bible study Rules!

(3a) God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided! - Brief Introduction...
(3b) Three "Ages" Rightly Divided! = God's Timelines?

(4) Which "Gospel" Makes Way For Which "Gospel"?
(5) GREAT Tribulation? or, tribulations/GREAT GRACE Departure!?

(6) Pre-TOJT GRACE Departure Expectations!?
(7) God's Heavenly UPlook For His Body!?

(8) Watching, Waiting, And Looking: For WHOM! or, For "signs"?
(9) God's Removal Of His Body Of CHRIST!:

(10) "Day Of CHRIST { Light }!" / Rightly Divided from {RDf}:

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . \ "The Day Of The LORD [ Darkness ]!"?​

​

(11) Confidence in death/resurrection, Or, in living/glorification!?
(12) CHRIST Will Come "Without Warning!"?

(13) The Two "Trumps" Of God, In His "Age Of GRACE"?
(14) Meeting Him "In The Air" Up To Heaven! vs U-turn (theology?)

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Back down To earth?​

​

(15) Preparation For [ Israel's tribulation? OR: ]
The Judgment Seat Of Christ!? (1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV)

(16) Post Departure Deception Question?
(Many Related Scriptures +)

+

Part 17 ( ~ 100 Plain and Clear Scriptures For a ) Conclusion:

God's Great Grace Departure!​

So far, there have no "takers to have a kind and humble discussion with" showing their
"compelling Scriptural Evidence" on This Important Matter.

Perchance, my precious friend, you might be the first?

Amen.

the phrase "pre-trib" rapture does not exist in Scripture.

To even speak it is 'Out-of-Order' and has caused massive deception and division = the workings of satan in 'christendom'

The #1 Commandment is to "love God with your whole heart, soul, mind and strength"
The #2 Commandment is to "love your neighbor as yourself"
The #3 Commandment is to "love each other(in Christ) just as Christ loves you/us"
The #4 Commandment is to "love the TRUTH" for "no lie is of the Truth"
The #5 Commandment is to "speak the Truth in love"

pre-trib rapture violates all 5 Commandments

The main reason for the 'name calling' is because pre-trib is a idol and men will get violent when you expose their idol(s).

"respect of persons" is another idol that is directly connected to "pre-trib" rapture

More idols = the more men will twist the scriptures to support their idol(s)

Since God has sworn that "no lie is of the Truth" , whenever christendom embraces a lie, they cause division in the Body of Christ

1 Corinthians 1:10-17
I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together,
so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction.

My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: Individuals among you are saying, “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos,” “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.”

Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul?
I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that I do not remember if I baptized anyone else.
For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

 

[Selah]

The churches are not seen on earth in Revelation after chapter three. The events of Revelation 5-18 pertain to the world and to Israel. The church of God is a separate entity with her own program with God “the Jews ... the Gentiles ... the church of God.”

The church of God in the book of Revelation is made up of all the saints standing up for Jesus and the Truth. God will use them as never before in the latter days, especially during the great tribulation of Satan and his angels. Consider these verses below in the book of Luke when the saints are delivered up. Luke 21 refers to the Olivet Prophecy. Also, this prophecy can be found in Mark 13 and Matthew 24.

​

Luke 21:8-15 (NKJV) 8 And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am [He,]’ and, ‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them. 9 “But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end [will] not [come] immediately.” 10 Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 “And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 12 “But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute [you,] delivering [you] up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake. 13 “But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 14 “Therefore settle [it] in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 “for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.

The saints will stand firm, enduring until the very end.

—selah

​

 

[civic]

2 Thess- 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay

hope this helps !!!

 

[DavidTree]

The doctrine of the Rapture was written to a church for the churches. It is a mystery revealed to the churches. It is not about Israel. It was not revealed to Israel and has nothing to do with Israel and her program with God and her covenants.

The Rapture is when Christ will collect His bride and bring her to the mansions He has prepared for her and she will see Him in His glory. The church has nothing to do with the day of the Lord, which is a day pertaining to the unsaved world and to Israel “the day of Jacob’s trouble.”

The church has nothing to do with Daniel’s 70 Week prophecy, which pertains to “thy people” (Daniel’s people, Israel) and “thy holy city” (Jerusalem) .

The churches are not seen on earth in Revelation after chapter three. The events of Revelation 5-18 pertain to the world and to Israel. The church of God is a separate entity with her own program with God “the Jews ... the Gentiles ... the church of God.”

Who makes up the Body of Christ/His Church?
a.) buildings called churches
b.) people who are SAVED in CHRIST whom God designates as 'saints/elect/brethren/believers'

Here is the Body of Christ/the Church in Revelation after chapter 3

Revelation 6:9-11
And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld. And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge those who dwell upon the earth and avenge our blood?”
Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed.

Revelation 7:13-15
Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?”
“Sir,” I answered, “you know.”
So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 10:11
Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven.
And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: “There will be no more delay! But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he begins to sound his trumpet, the mystery of God will be fulfilled, just as He proclaimed to His servants the prophets.”
And they told me, “You must prophesy again about many peoples and nations and tongues and kings.”

Revelation 12:11
They (Saints/Elect) have conquered him/satan by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony.
And they did not love their lives so as to shy away from death.

Revelation 12:17
And the dragon was enraged at the woman and went to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.
Revelation 13:9-10
He who has an ear, let him hear:
“If anyone is destined for captivity,
into captivity he will go;
if anyone is to die by the sword,
by the sword he must be killed.”
Here is a call for the perseverance and faith of the saints.

Revelation 14:12-13
Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.
And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”

 

[Selah]

2 Thess- 6And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work, but the one who now restrains it will continue until he is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay

hope this helps !!!

It is Michael who "holds fast" or restrains Satan (the antichrist), and Michael will continue to keep him held until the appointed time (appointed by God). Then at the appointed time, God will give Satan the keys (authority) to release his fallen angels and they will be cast to the earth. (The locusts are Satan’s angels.)

Revelation 9:1-11 (NKJV) 1 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. 5 And they were not given [authority] to kill them, but to torment them [for] five months. Their torment [was] like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. 6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them. 7 The shape of the locusts was like horses prepared for battle. On their heads were crowns of something like gold, and their faces [were] like the faces of men. 8 They had hair like women’s hair, and their teeth were like lions’ [teeth.] 9 And they had breastplates like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings [was] like the sound of chariots with many horses running into battle. 10 They had tails like scorpions, and there were stings in their tails. Their power [was] to hurt men five months. 11 And they had as king over them the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in Hebrew [is] Abaddon, but in Greek he has the name Apollyon.

—selah

 

[Grace ambassador]

The Rapture is when Christ will collect His bride

Precious friend, @Cosmo, appreciate your excellent work - just respectfully 'disagree' with the Body
Of Christ being the "woman bride" - ie:

Is The Body Of Christ The Lamb's wife?

Amen.

 

[DavidTree]

The doctrine of the Rapture was written to a church for the churches. It is a mystery revealed to the churches. It is not about Israel. It was not revealed to Israel and has nothing to do with Israel and her program with God and her covenants.

The Rapture is when Christ will collect His bride and bring her to the mansions He has prepared for her and she will see Him in His glory. The church has nothing to do with the day of the Lord, which is a day pertaining to the unsaved world and to Israel “the day of Jacob’s trouble.”

The church has nothing to do with Daniel’s 70 Week prophecy, which pertains to “thy people” (Daniel’s people, Israel) and “thy holy city” (Jerusalem) .

The churches are not seen on earth in Revelation after chapter three. The events of Revelation 5-18 pertain to the world and to Israel. The church of God is a separate entity with her own program with God “the Jews ... the Gentiles ... the church of God.”

the phrase/doctrine of "pre-trib" rapture does not exist in Scripture

You will never find a prophecy and/or declaration of "pre-trib rapture" in the Holy Scriptures

However, we can easily SEE this promise of God to us who are in Christ = 1 Thess 1:10 & 1 Thess 5:9

and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[civic]

Accepted

Always place you trust in God = stand firm on the words of God which say:
a.) "Immediately after the tribulation.....I Come and gather My elect" - Matt ch24, OT Prophet Daniel, Apostles Paul & John
b.) pre-trib rapture ="no lie is of the Truth" = Apostle John
c.) 1st Thessalonians and 2nd Thessalonians and 1 John = 2nd Coming of Christ is after the AC/Tribulation

The elect gathered are those in Judea, the Jews in Matthew 24:16

Luke 21:21
Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

Mark 13:14
So when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Revelation 12:6
The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman is Israel, the Jews.

Luke 21:20-21
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. / Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

next fallacy

you have been corrected by Jesus.

 

[DavidTree]

The elect gathered are those in Judea, the Jews in Matthew 24:16

Luke 21:21
Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

Mark 13:14
So when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Revelation 12:6
The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman is Israel, the Jews.

Luke 21:20-21
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. / Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

next fallacy

you have been corrected by Jesus.

One Gospel TRUTH = One Bridegroom for One Bride = Genesis

The Bride of Christ is the Body of Christ = Genesis/Gospel/Male & Female made in the Image of Elohim

The Bride of Christ is She who was purchased by the Blood of Christ.

The Bride of Christ is who Matthew chapter 24 is being Spoken to: Matthew 24:3
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

One Gospel Truth for Jew and Gentile

Oh how religious people love to persecute those with the Holy Spirit of Truth

 

[civic]

One Gospel TRUTH = One Bridegroom for One Bride = Genesis

The Bride of Christ is the Body of Christ = Genesis/Gospel/Male & Female made in the Image of Elohim

The Bride of Christ is She who was purchased by the Blood of Christ.

The Bride of Christ is who Matthew chapter 24 is being Spoken to: Matthew 24:3
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

One Gospel Truth for Jew and Gentile

Oh how religious people love to persecute those with the Holy Spirit of Truth

nope its the Jews in Judea.

next fallacy

 

[civic]

1-One Gospel TRUTH = One Bridegroom for One Bride = Genesis

2-The Bride of Christ is the Body of Christ = Genesis/Gospel/Male & Female made in the Image of Elohim

3-The Bride of Christ is She who was purchased by the Blood of Christ.

4-The Bride of Christ is who Matthew chapter 24 is being Spoken to: Matthew 24:3
Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

5-One Gospel Truth for Jew and Gentile

Oh how religious people love to persecute those with the Holy Spirit of Truth

1 - is not the gospel you made that up. No scripture saying the bride is the gospel in the bible.

2 - the gospel is not anywhere in the bible said to be male and female, nothing in the bible declares such a thing

4- the church is not mentioned in Matthew 24 but those in Judea who are warned to flee is mentioned who are the Jews.

The elect gathered are those in Judea, the Jews in Matthew 24:16

Luke 21:21
Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

Mark 13:14
So when you see the abomination of desolation standing where it should not be (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.

Revelation 12:6
The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman is Israel, the Jews.

Luke 21:20-21
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. / Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

Jesus is talking to his Jewish disciples who were thinking about a Jewish temple and a Jewish kingdom.

next fallacy

you have been corrected by Jesus.

conclusion: your heresy has been exposed and corrected with Scripture. I guess the good thing for you is this false doctrine you believe in is not salvific otherwise you could not be saved. So much for your pre trib hostility eh ?

hope this helps !!!

 

[DavidTree]

nope its the Jews in Judea.

next fallacy

@civic and @DavidTree and the Body of Christ are in great Joy because of the Bride of Christ = of whom we belong to.


John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
He who has the Bride is the Bridegroom; but the friend of the Bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.
Bide to Bridegroom = "Matt ch24 = “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Always place your trust in TRUTH = Thy word is TRUTH

 

[civic]

@civic and @DavidTree and the Body of Christ are in great Joy because of the Bride of Christ = of whom we belong to.


John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
He who has the Bride is the Bridegroom; but the friend of the Bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled.
Bide to Bridegroom = "Matt ch24 = “Tell us, when will these things be?
And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

Always place your trust in TRUTH = Thy word is TRUTH

no bride mentioned in matthew 24

you are adding to scripture a BIG NO NO

The term “elect” refers to God’s chosen people identified as the nation of Israel, the Jews in their land. In the Bible, God promises to gather His people at the end of the age. Moses talked about this in Deuteronomy 30:3, where he said that God would bring back His people from all the places they were scattered. But who are these people in Matthew 24:31?

But God has not abandoned the promises he made to the nation of Israel. He is faithful and he will do what he said, “for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” (Romans. 11:29). When God again turns his attention to the Jewish nation, it will be a time for purging out unbelievers and bringing wrath upon a rebellious world. None of this has anything to do with the church. God did not make land promises to the church. God did not make protection and prosperity promises to the church. That was all to the Jewish nation alone.

Revelation 12:6
The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman is Israel, the Jews.

Luke 21:20-21
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. / Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

Jesus is talking to his Jewish disciples who were thinking about a Jewish temple and a Jewish kingdom in the promised land of Israel.

God promised deliverance to Israel through the prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 27:12-13: "O ye children of Israel, and it shall come to pass in that day that the great trumpet shall be blown and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria and the outcasts in the land of Egypt and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount of Jerusalem."

God promised in the end times ( Matthew 24 ) if you read the whole context that He's going to re-gather His scattered people of Israel from many different places around the world and He will do that in conjunction with the blowing of the great trumpet. Matthew 24:31: "He shall send his angels with the sound of a great trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other."

When Jesus comes in relation to the tribulation indicates two events

• Rapture: Jesus comes to rescue Christians before the hour of trial
• Second Coming: Jesus will come after the Tribulation to rule the world.

Dr. David Breese: Well, the Bible teaches that Christ is coming at the end of the age (that's at the end of the Tribulation) "in power and great glory" and He's coming with "ten thousands of His saints." And that will be the great denouement of history whereby He establishes His Kingdom. But the Scripture then teaches that preceding that glorious return of Christ there will be a seven-year period called "The Tribulation," but it's about the Tribulation the Scripture says to Christians: "…because you have kept the word of my patience, I will keep you from that hour of trial [temptation, tribulation] that will come upon the whole world to try them that dwell on the earth." Therefore, we see in Scripture that the Bible says that Christ will come for His saints before the beginning of the Tribulation and take all believing Christians up to be with Him in Heaven. Spoken of in 1 Thessalonians 4, "The Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, the voice of the archangel, the trump of God: the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" [1 Thess. 4:16-17].

Paul expands on this a little bit in 1 Corinthians 15 saying to the Corinthians, he says, "Behold, I show you a mystery: we will not all sleep, but we shall all be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trump: the trumpet shall sound, the dead shall be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed." So we can assure every believer within the sound of this voice that there's coming a moment when they will be caught up in their physical bodies into the presence of Jesus Christ so as to ever be with the Lord. Perhaps in short we might say that Christ is coming at the end of the Tribulation with His saints but before that He is coming for His saints. We will then be formed into that army that shall return with Him to the conquest of earth.

next fallacy

 

[DavidTree]

no bride mentioned in matthew 24

you are adding to scripture a BIG NO NO

The term “elect” refers to God’s chosen people identified as the nation of Israel, the Jews in their land. In the Bible, God promises to gather His people at the end of the age. Moses talked about this in Deuteronomy 30:3, where he said that God would bring back His people from all the places they were scattered. But who are these people in Matthew 24:31?

But God has not abandoned the promises he made to the nation of Israel. He is faithful and he will do what he said, “for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” (Romans. 11:29). When God again turns his attention to the Jewish nation, it will be a time for purging out unbelievers and bringing wrath upon a rebellious world. None of this has anything to do with the church. God did not make land promises to the church. God did not make protection and prosperity promises to the church. That was all to the Jewish nation alone.

Revelation 12:6
The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman is Israel, the Jews.

Luke 21:20-21
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. / Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

Jesus is talking to his Jewish disciples who were thinking about a Jewish temple and a Jewish kingdom in the promised land of Israel.

next fallacy

the Bride are the Disciples of Christ as DECLARED by the Holy Spirit

They never lost their Position/Salvation as the Bride except for one - Judas (he was never joined to Christ)

John 6:70 - Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve? And yet one of you is a devil.”

SHALOM and walk in the Spirit of Truth Today

 

[DavidTree]

nope its the Jews in Judea.

next fallacy

Next time you go to erase my posts PLEASE give me a heads-up so that i can print out my responses as they were very important to TRUTH.

SHALOM my Brother in Christ

 

[civic]

the Bride are the Disciples of Christ as DECLARED by the Holy Spirit

no bride mentioned in matthew 24 at all , just conjecture on your part. Why are you running away and fleeing to the hills ?

you are adding to scripture a BIG NO NO

The term “elect” refers to God’s chosen people identified as the nation of Israel, the Jews in their land. In the Bible, God promises to gather His people at the end of the age. Moses talked about this in Deuteronomy 30:3, where he said that God would bring back His people from all the places they were scattered. But who are these people in Matthew 24:31?

But God has not abandoned the promises he made to the nation of Israel. He is faithful and he will do what he said, “for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable” (Romans. 11:29). When God again turns his attention to the Jewish nation, it will be a time for purging out unbelievers and bringing wrath upon a rebellious world. None of this has anything to do with the church. God did not make land promises to the church. God did not make protection and prosperity promises to the church. That was all to the Jewish nation alone.

Revelation 12:6
The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.

The woman is Israel, the Jews.

Luke 21:20-21
But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, you will know that her desolation is near. / Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country stay out of the city.

Jesus is talking to his Jewish disciples who were thinking about a Jewish temple and a Jewish kingdom in the promised land of Israel.

God promised deliverance to Israel through the prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 27:12-13: "O ye children of Israel, and it shall come to pass in that day that the great trumpet shall be blown and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria and the outcasts in the land of Egypt and shall worship the Lord in the holy mount of Jerusalem."

God promised in the end times ( Matthew 24 ) if you read the whole context that He's going to re-gather His scattered people of Israel from many different places around the world and He will do that in conjunction with the blowing of the great trumpet. Matthew 24:31: "He shall send his angels with the sound of a great trumpet and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds from one end of heaven to the other."

conclusion: you are incapable of an honest dialogue and defending your beliefs. All you make are false accusations filled with ad hominems- person attacks on those who disagree with you and challenge you to make a biblical defense of your beliefs.
You have ran away from all the scriptures above that prove your views are false regarding the end times, the church and Israel.

next fallacy

 

[civic]

Next time you go to erase my posts PLEASE give me a heads-up so that i can print out my responses as they were very important to TRUTH.

SHALOM my Brother in Christ

You were warned several times in the other thread that had northing to do with the topic. I deleted my posts as well.

Now we can discuss your false doctrines in this thread about false doctrine. Nothing will be deleted unless you make things personal and attack the posters and not their arguments.

Thats a basic rule on every single online Christian forum.

So stop making things personal attacking my character and stick with the argument.

In case you were unaware this is my forum, I started this forum. I generally stay away from any moderation duties. We have moderators who do that function/duty. I like apologetics and to interact with people of different faiths/ beliefs.

I have really thick skin and can take allot. But when people cross the line I will let them know. If they continue I will warn them to stop. If that doesn't work I will report them.

I don't ban people I leave that to our Moderators like @Administrator @Predestined @Mod2