Women in Ministry

Of course. The instructions that Paul is laying forth were a complete different culture. The point that I was trying to make is things are different today.

I am only referring to women taking authority over a man concerning spiritual matters in the church.

Things were culturally different during the dark ages too.... But, it was not about culture.
The dark ages was about wandering away from God's way to live by knowledge of the Word of God.
God's way will always remain the same no matter what culture Christians are found.


There is the right way Matthew 4:4... and many, many ways to be wrong by man's way of doing things.

Its not about "culture" when it comes to God's delegated authority and knowledge for the church.
It will always God's culture when done correctly even when within another culture.
God's culture will take on the accouterments of the culture in which it finds itself.
That is what an ambassador does when living in another culture.
 
To all who are IGNORANT to the term "WOMAN" in Context of the Scriptures, 1 Timothy 2:12, 1 Corinthians 14:34 & 35 please understand the term in CONTEX.
WOMAN: G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096
Compare: G1133, G435

CONTEXT, CONTEXT, CONTEXT

101G.
 
That's the only limitation I see. But if there's no man to teach I see no problem for a woman to be able to teach. As far as the being silent in church part. I think that's talking about don't ask a bunch of questions wait till you get home and ask your husband.

Today in our culture just about every church has a women's ministry. Remember that old saying "Don't put God In the box". He can make the stones cry out if he wants to use a woman in Ministry he will.
I hear you, but the pulpit is reserved for men.

J.
 
I am only referring to women taking authority over a man concerning spiritual matters in the church.

Things were culturally different during the dark ages too.... But, it was not about culture.
The dark ages was about wandering away from God's way to live by knowledge of the Word of God.
God's way will always remain the same no matter what culture Christians are found.


There is the right way Matthew 4:4... and many, many ways to be wrong by man's way of doing things.

Its not about "culture" when it comes to God's delegated authority and knowledge for the church.
It will always God's culture when done correctly even when within another culture.
God's culture will take on the accouterments of the culture in which it finds itself.
That is what an ambassador does when living in another culture.
Yep
 
A women’s ministry is a designated part or group within a religious or faith-based community, such as a church. It focuses on meeting the unique spiritual, emotional, and social needs of women.

 
A women’s ministry is a designated part or group within a religious or faith-based community, such as a church. It focuses on meeting the unique spiritual, emotional, and social needs of women.

well then men should only teach men? no, that's nonsense..... in the body of Christ ....... there is neither Male nor Female, but there is Husband and Wife in the body, and at home. witch one needs to separate.

women and men are the same in spiritual matters. if not then 1 Corinthians 12:7 & 8 present a problem, 1 Corinthians 12:7 "But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal." 1 Corinthians 12:8 "For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;" this is the Pastoral Gift. and if God gives this gift only to males, then God is a respecter of persons. but the term MAN here is the Greek word, G1538 ἕκαστος hekastos (he'-ka-stos) adj.
each or every.
[as if a superlative of hekas (afar)]
KJV: any, both, each (one), every (man, one, woman), particularly
so clearly this pastoral gift is also for WOMEN.

101G.
 
'In the same way also,
I desire that women adorn themselves in decent clothing,
with modesty and sensibleness,
not adorned with braiding, or gold, or pearls, or costly clothing,
but with good works, which becomes women professing godliness.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I do not allow a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
But she will be kept safe through childbearing,
if they continue in faith and love and holiness with sensibleness.'

(1Tim. 2:9-15)

Hello there,

Paul gives reasons why women should not teach, or take authority over a man, and they are sound.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'In the same way also,
I desire that women adorn themselves in decent clothing,
with modesty and sensibleness,
not adorned with braiding, or gold, or pearls, or costly clothing,
but with good works, which becomes women professing godliness.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
But I do not allow a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
But she will be kept safe through childbearing,
if they continue in faith and love and holiness with sensibleness.'

(1Tim. 2:9-15)

Hello there,

Paul gives reasons why women should not teach, or take authority over a man, and they are sound.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Complete, Complete, context, context, the term WOMAN here is "WIFE", not Women in general. listen, 1 Timothy 2:12 "But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
Woman: G1135 γυνή gune (ǰ ï-nee') n.
1. a woman.
2. (specially) a wife.
[probably from the base of G1096]
KJV: wife, woman
Root(s): G1096

see definition #2 (specially) a wife. how do 101G know that this verse is specially speaking of a woman? answer, right there in verse 15. listen, 1 Timothy 2:15 "Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety."
Complete, the only WOMAN who suppose or specially having CHILDREN is a MARRIED ONE.... hello.

1 Timothy 2:12 is speaking of a WIFE..... at HOME, and not at Church....... read the context first before making a verdict... ok.

101G
 
to all,
please understand of context in these scriptures concerning women and the church. example, 1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

A. the apostle was not even speaking to any "WOMAN" ... married or not... he was speaking to HUSBAND of the married who have wives in the church.

B. how do 101G know that the term "Woman" here in the verse is speaking about married women? answer, in verse 35, listen, "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home" Bingo, the only WOMAN who have a husband is a ... MARRIED ONE.

C. it was the HUSBAND responsibility .... at home to teach his WIFE the things of God ... BEFORE .... they come to the house of God, so that they be on ONE ACCORD. because the married is of ONE FLESH. they should speak the same thing concerning the things of God. instead, the husband stands up and say one thing, and the wife stands up and say something different. God is not the author of confusion.

so, a husband is to teach his wife at HOME first before coming to God house.

101G.
 
1 Corinthians 14:34 "Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." 1 Corinthians 14:35 "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

A. the apostle was not even speaking to any "WOMAN" ... married or not... he was speaking to HUSBAND of the married who have wives in the church.

B. how do 101G know that the term "Woman" here in the verse is speaking about married women? answer, in verse 35, listen, "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home" Bingo, the only WOMAN who have a husband is a ... MARRIED ONE.

C. it was the HUSBAND responsibility .... at home to teach his WIFE the things of God ... BEFORE .... they come to the house of God, so that they be on ONE ACCORD. because the married is of ONE FLESH. they should speak the same thing concerning the things of God. instead, the husband stands up and say one thing, and the wife stands up and say something different. God is not the author of confusion.

so, a husband is to teach his wife at HOME first before coming to God house.
Key Terms and Their Nuances:

The Greek word translated as "women" here is γυναῖκες (gynaikes), which can mean either “women” generally or “wives” specifically. The term is broad and context-dependent, but within the context of verse 35 (“let them ask their husbands at home”), it is clear that gynaikes refers specifically to married women.

σιγάτωσαν (sigatōsan) is the imperative form, meaning "let [them] keep silent." This verb indicates a form of silence or restraint. The use of the present tense implies ongoing silence, especially in the setting of congregational gatherings.
Phrase Structure:

In verse 34, σιγάτωσαν is paired with ἐκκλησίαις (ekklēsiais, "in the churches"), denoting silence specifically in the gathering spaces of believers. The preposition ἐν ("in") and ἐκκλησίαις imply that Paul’s instruction is limited to the formal worship setting rather than all social situations.

In verse 35, the clause εἰ δέ τι μαθεῖν θέλουσιν (“if they desire to learn anything”) uses a conditional structure, suggesting that if a wife has questions, she should ask her own husband at home. The phrase ἐν οἴκῳ ("at home") reinforces the idea that any questions about doctrine should be directed toward the husband outside of the public worship setting.


The syntax of τὸ αἰσχρὸν (to aischron, “it is a shame”) emphasizes that a woman speaking in the church is seen as improper or dishonorable in this particular cultural and theological context. The term αἰσχρὸν implies a cultural standard of shame rather than an intrinsic sinfulness.

Paul’s emphasis is likely on maintaining decorum and unity within the church gatherings, suggesting that disruptive questioning could hinder the flow of worship.
Contextual Considerations:

Marital Focus: The instruction seems to address marital relationships in the church, as indicated by the reference to husbands and wives. This context aligns with a broader theme in Paul’s epistles where he addresses unity and order in the family structure (cf. Ephesians 5:22-33, Colossians 3:18-19), suggesting that his instruction aims to foster harmony between married couples in the church.

Preventing Confusion: Paul’s broader discussion in 1 Corinthians 14 emphasizes order within worship services (e.g., verses 26-33). By instructing wives to ask their husbands at home, Paul might have been trying to prevent the potential for disagreements or contradictions during public worship that could arise if spouses publicly expressed differing views, thus avoiding confusion and upholding unity.


The Greek text, with its use of gynaikes (referring to women within the marital context), suggests Paul’s instructions are specifically for married women, advising them to seek doctrinal understanding privately with their husbands rather than interrupting the assembly.
Paul’s primary goal appears to be maintaining order, respect, and unity during congregational worship rather than imposing a blanket prohibition on women speaking.
This passage likely reflects cultural expectations of marital harmony and public decorum in the Corinthian church, encouraging husbands to take an active role in the spiritual education of their wives so that they can participate in worship without causing disruption.

J.
 
σιγάτωσαν (sigatōsan) is the imperative form, meaning "let [them] keep silent." This verb indicates a form of silence or restraint. The use of the present tense implies ongoing silence, especially in the setting of congregational gatherings.
Phrase Structure:
correct there, for how can one LEARN if noisy or unattended. we all learn in silence or restraint.
In verse 34, σιγάτωσαν is paired with ἐκκλησίαις (ekklēsiais, "in the churches"), denoting silence specifically in the gathering spaces of believers. The preposition ἐν ("in") and ἐκκλησίαις imply that Paul’s instruction is limited to the formal worship setting rather than all social situations.
if true, then answer this, 1 Corinthians 11:4 "Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head." 1 Corinthians 11:5 "But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven."
as here, the WOMAN is praying or had prophesied is in the CHURCH. so how is she speaking here?
Paul’s emphasis is likely on maintaining decorum and unity within the church gatherings, suggesting that disruptive questioning could hinder the flow of worship.
how is that if one is prophesying? questions are not asked, but understood, or interpreted.
Marital Focus: The instruction seems to address marital relationships in the church, as indicated by the reference to husbands and wives. This context aligns with a broader theme in Paul’s epistles where he addresses unity and order in the family structure (cf. Ephesians 5:22-33, Colossians 3:18-19), suggesting that his instruction aims to foster harmony between married couples in the church.
correct, for the Husband and wife is ONE. and should speak the same thing. as the body of Christ, say the same thing. scripture, 1 Corinthians 1:10 "Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."
Preventing Confusion: Paul’s broader discussion in 1 Corinthians 14 emphasizes order within worship services (e.g., verses 26-33). By instructing wives to ask their husbands at home, Paul might have been trying to prevent the potential for disagreements or contradictions during public worship that could arise if spouses publicly expressed differing views, thus avoiding confusion and upholding unity.
correct, church etiquette is the up most, to prevent arguments and divisions.
The Greek text, with its use of gynaikes (referring to women within the marital context), suggests Paul’s instructions are specifically for married women, advising them to seek doctrinal understanding privately with their husbands rather than interrupting the assembly.
Paul’s primary goal appears to be maintaining order, respect, and unity during congregational worship rather than imposing a blanket prohibition on women speaking.
Correct as said above..... you're on Point.

this is what 101G likes... a good healthy discussion. this is what forums are all about.... ask question and get answers. post information and let people read for their edification, or ask for clarity.

thanks my brother, a good discussion. looking to hear on the one question posed.

101G.
 
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