Samson
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It is isn't it? Tells it like it is. I love how Revelation 3:10, promises us will be kept from the coming "hour of trial".
What is false doctrine ?
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DavidTree
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Yet the LORD never promised a pre-trib rapture in Rev 3:10 or in His Gospel or in any place in Revelation.
When you add to God's words what HE never said , you prove yourself to be unfaithful in the Truth.
Turn back to the words of CHRIST who Says:
John 16:33 - "In the world you will have tribulation" But take heart, I have overcome the world"
Matthew 10:28 - Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Instead, fear the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
Matthew 24: 29-31
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Therefore comfort one another with these words.
CHRIST never promised a pre-trib rapture to anyone.
GOOD NEWS = Christ promises to "KEEP" those who are HIM from the evil one = Revelation chapter 12
"And they overcame the Devil by the Blood of Christ and the word of their Testimony and they loved not their lives unto death"
The GREATEST KEEPING that GOD has promised is to those who remain faithful in the face of persecution, especially unto the suffering of death.
Wholeheart
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For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Without employing harpazo , but by using similar contextual language, 1Cor 15:51-52 refers to the same eschatological event as 1 Thess 4:16-17. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
Thus, it can be assuredly concluded that Scripture points to the fact of pre-trib rapture.
Without employing harpazo , but by using similar contextual language, 1Cor 15:51-52 refers to the same eschatological event as 1 Thess 4:16-17. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.
Thus, it can be assuredly concluded that Scripture points to the fact of pre-trib rapture.
Speculator
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The Church Is Not Mentioned in Revelation 6–18 as Being on Earth. We will be out of here.
Grace ambassador
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Matches up perfectly with all The Related Scriptures, Rightly Divided, eh?:
God's Great Grace Departure!
Amen.
DavidTree
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Adding to God's words what He never said is sin and is the working of the spirit of antichrist in the churches and modern day 'christianity'
If you love God with your 'wholeheart', you will stop from placing your words above Christ's and the Apostles and the OT Prophets.
1 Thess 4:13-18 and 1 Cor ch15 are the same Event = His Second Coming
The Scriptures are CLEAR = Immediately after the Tribulation, the LORD Returns for the Resurrection, followed by the rapture.
"Respect of persons" is when we evaluate the Scriptures from the viewpoint of men who seemingly are qualified but they will not yield to Truth.
JESUS says: "Thy word is Truth" = Do not add to His words, lest you are found to be lying = Prov 30:5-6
Samson
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Very interesting.
civic
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Jesus never mentioned or talked about the rapture, only the timing of His 2nd Coming.
Paul addressed the rapture.
Amos
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The battle for the heart begins deep within the soul. Our inner emptiness cries out for something more, and the world rushes in to fill it. For some, it is an addiction. For others, it is a relationship. But whatever it is, it begins to draw us away from God. At first we try to resist it. But eventually we embrace it and lose all sense of spiritual restraint. Some embrace a new experience, a new idea, or even a new religion. Our guilty consciences tries to protest, but we soon make a mental or emotional paradigm shift and start defending a lifestyle we once rejected.
And worst of all...some get left behind. I can them behinders. Don't be a behinder.
DavidTree
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SHALOM in Christ to you @Samson
May God the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ fill you with His Holy Spirit that you may be as strong as Samson = in the Spirit and Truth.
Consider these words of Truth: Romans 8:31-39
What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not with Him also freely give us all things? Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written:
“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”
Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
SHALOM
DavidTree
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A "behinder" is one who kisses the behind of religion!!! = "Don't be a behinder"
The Holy Spirit calls it the sin of "respect of persons"
God promised HE will never leave a single saint behind
Hebrews 13:5-6
Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have.
For He Himself has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
So we may boldly say:
“The Lord is my helper;
I will not fear.
What can man do to me?”
Samson
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Got it.Jesus never mentioned or talked about the rapture, only the timing of His 2nd Coming.
Paul addressed the rapture.
Paul’s teaching on a pre-tribulation rapture in 2 Thessalonians 2 is probably the clearest of all on the subject. Yet, it is often missed because of a misinterpretation of one particular word. Look carefully at what Paul said in verses 1–8:
Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
DavidTree
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Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
Please highlight the SPECIFIC verse which declares a "pre-trib rapture"
Amos
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Be dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit. Be like men who are waiting for their master when he returns from the wedding feast, so that they may immediately open the door to him when he comes and knocks. LUKE 12:35
Pretribulationism tell us to be ready and waiting. The rapture could happen at any moment.
Imminence is a crucial teaching of Jesus and the apostles related to end-time prophecy. The English word imminence means an event that can occur at any time. An imminent danger is a threat that is close at hand and can happen at any moment. There can be no detectable signs that such a danger is about to take place.
When interpreting prophecy, however, some scholars use the word “imminent” less precisely to mean an event that may occur soon, but may also be preceded by specific signs or warnings. Contrary to this, we pretribulationists understand the Bible to teach that some prophetic events, such as the rapture and the day of the Lord, will occur at a future time without any preceding signs or events.
That being the case pretribulationism is the correct New Testament teaching, it must be demonstrated biblically that the rapture will occur without warning and without signs that necessarily indicate its nearness.
Stay dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit, don't get left behind.
Pretribulationism tell us to be ready and waiting. The rapture could happen at any moment.
Imminence is a crucial teaching of Jesus and the apostles related to end-time prophecy. The English word imminence means an event that can occur at any time. An imminent danger is a threat that is close at hand and can happen at any moment. There can be no detectable signs that such a danger is about to take place.
When interpreting prophecy, however, some scholars use the word “imminent” less precisely to mean an event that may occur soon, but may also be preceded by specific signs or warnings. Contrary to this, we pretribulationists understand the Bible to teach that some prophetic events, such as the rapture and the day of the Lord, will occur at a future time without any preceding signs or events.
That being the case pretribulationism is the correct New Testament teaching, it must be demonstrated biblically that the rapture will occur without warning and without signs that necessarily indicate its nearness.
Stay dressed in readiness, and keep your lamps lit, don't get left behind.
Samson
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Key Bible verses cited in support of a pre-tribulation rapture include 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, which describes believers being "caught up" to meet the Lord; 1 Corinthians 15:51-52, referring to a sudden, transformative change at the "last trumpet"; and Revelation 3:10, which promises to "keep you from the hour of trial" that will test the world. Other supporting verses often mentioned are 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and 1 Thessalonians 5:9, which speak of believers being saved from the coming wrath, and Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35, which discuss people being "taken".
Grace ambassador
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Amen! And, instead of "looking, watching, and waiting for the son of perdition and signs", we find This:
Blessed Hope, "looking, watching, and patiently waiting For The LORD Jesus Christ!"
"Looking for that Blessed Hope, and The Glorious Appearing Of
The Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ!" (Titus 2:13 AV)
Which, of course, results in:
Amen.
Selah
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… but Satan comes at the 6th trump, BEFORE Jesus returns at the 7th trump.
What’s flabbergasting to me about the pre-tribulation theory is that the Bible is very clear about when it is that Jesus Christ returns. He returns at the very last trump; that’s the 7th trump. Think about it. This happens after Satan has come claiming he is God. The apostle Paul explained this so clearly that there’s no way we to misunderstand who comes first. It’s Satan, my friends. Jesus Christ is not returning until the great apostasy, the falling away, happens. There is no pretrib rapture.
2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (NKJV) 1 Now, brethren, concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, 2 not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. 3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for [that Day will not come] unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
—selah
Samson
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DavidTree
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1 Thess 4:13-18 denounces pre-trib as it CLEARLY states: "the dead in CHRIST Rise FIRST, afterwards the rapture"
1 Cor 15:51-52 only occurs at His Coming = SAME as 1 Thess 4:13-18
Rev 3:10 does not contain pre-trib but it does contain the promise which JESUS prayed in John ch17
The "Last Trump" occurs at Christ's Return/2nd Coming = Matt ch24, 1 Thess 4:13-18, 1 Cor ch15, Revelation 11:15-18
The LasT Trump
Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:
“The kingdom of the world
has become the kingdom of our Lord
and of His Christ,
and He will reign forever and ever.”
And the twenty-four elders who sit on their thrones before God fell on their faces and worshiped God, 17saying:
“We give thanks to You, O Lord God Almighty,
the One who is and who was,
because You have taken Your great power
and have begun to reign.
The nations were enraged,
and Your wrath has come.
The time has come to judge the dead
and to reward Your servants the prophets,
as well as the saints and those who fear Your name,
both small and great—
and to destroy those who destroy the earth.”
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DavidTree
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Brother Samson, STAND on this which is 100% TRUTH = 1 Thess 1:10 , 1 Thess 5:9 and 2nd Thess ch2
Because of CHRIST in us = we are delivered from the coming Wrath of God
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