At the terrible cost of excluding The atonement of the messiah from the 70 weeks
Why there can be no gap between the 69th and 70th week
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No explanation of how you can leave out the atonement of messiah from the 70 weeks given it is stated to be within the 70 week period
No atonement in the 69 weeks and the gap theory pushes the 70th week into the future skipping over the atonement of Christ
which then does not transpire within the 70 weeks given.
SteveB
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You may need it to skip over, I, and millions of other people have no problem whatsoever with it.
But, obviously you d'man and all wisdom, understanding and knowledge dwells with you.
You'll have to forgive my sarcasm, but I really don't understand how I've successfully followed Jesus for the 17028 days before I became aware of you.
Perhaps the church you're attending isn't teaching it correctly.
DavidTree
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SIMPLE TRUTH for God's Children = adults stumble and fall and can't get UP
DavidTree
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This is why the Scriptures warn us of the deception of pride = it blinds people to the Truth
Matthew 11:25
At that time Jesus answered and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and have revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.
DavidTree
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Just a reminder for you = JESUS makes atonement AFTER the 69th week
Stay with God's Declaration of "70 weeks are determined"
Peace Brother SteveB
DavidTree
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So we are babies now
HE did not say babies
Babes(Children) in CHRIST = Only if you believe every word of our Heavenly Father
And a gap would skip over the atonement.
DavidTree
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DavidTree
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In CHRIST, there is no better place to be.So we are babies now
SteveB
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Yep.
To the group of people who hold the views I do, and was taught with/by, Palm Sunday is the end of the 69th seven/week.
Haven't left it.
We just think there's an undefined gap of time between the 69th and 70th.
Don't know why, never really understood it, but people who are far more educated than I am figured it out a long time ago and as they're teaching it rather extensively, they're obviously satisfied with their views.
We're satisfied that the signing of the covenant between Israel and the antichrist will start the 70th seven, at which point you'll be able to count days to the specified dates.
V'atah.
SteveB
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Only in the minds of people who think like you.
DavidTree
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Thank you Brother
Here is something to place in your heart right next to your love of Jesus.
Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
Matt 18:22
Seventy sevens
Nonsense, a gap clearly places the crucifixion outside of the weeks
69 weeks transpire unto the the anonted one, then the gap to the future for the 70th week. Where is the sacrifice of Christ and atonement in the 70 weeks in a gap theory.
It is not within the 70 weeks.
If you think not, then show otherwise.
Yes. A gap theory however removes the sacrifice of Christ from the 70 weeks and is thus a denial of his atonement.
Some read infants
Matthew 11:25 (NASB 2020) — 25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent, and have revealed them to infants.
whatever it is better to be so than among the "wise and prudent"
Brakelite
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It isn't about our thinking friend, it's what the prophecy stipulates. The conclusion of the 69 weeks brings us exactly to the year of Christ's baptism. 27AD. This can be accurately confirmed by the dates given is in the gospels relating to the reign of the Roman Caesars. This leaves us with the 70th week. Those...
KJV Daniel 9:27
27 And he ...
(Christ... In personal ministry through Judea for the first 3 and a half years until the crucifixion, and by the church for the final 3 and a half years leading up to the time of Stephen's martyrdom and the ministry of Paul to the Gentiles, this indicating that Israel's probation and opportunity as a nation to repent had expired... The 70 years completed),
shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he (Christ) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
(by giving His life and becoming the sacrificial Lamb 31AD PASSOVER, this fulfilling all the requirements of the old covenant and accomplishing redemption for mankind)
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(Jesus's last words in the temple to the Jewish rulers immediately before being arrested, "your house is left unto you desolate". 70AD saw the destruction of the temple and the fulfilment of the promises of...
KJV Deuteronomy 28:15, 25
15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:...
25 The LORD shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.
civic
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Here it is in summary. I'm not going to name call , say anyone who disagrees with me is a liar or believing a lie ( against our rules) or any other such thing. I'm premillennial but I'm not dogmatic about it since I believe eschatology is a non essential but I believe the 2nd Coming is essential doctrine.
The “seventy weeks” prophecy is one of the most significant and detailed Messianic prophecies of the Old Testament. It is found in Daniel 9. The chapter begins with Daniel praying for Israel, acknowledging the nation’s sins against God and asking for God’s mercy. As Daniel prayed, the angel Gabriel appeared to him and gave him a vision of Israel’s future.
The Divisions of the 70 Weeks
In verse 24, Gabriel says, “Seventy ‘sevens’ are decreed for your people and your holy city.” Almost all commentators agree that the seventy “sevens” should be understood as seventy “weeks” of years, in other words, a period of 490 years. These verses provide a sort of “clock” that gives an idea of when the Messiah would come and some of the events that would accompany His appearance.
The prophecy goes on to divide the 490 years into three smaller units: one of 49 years, one of 434 years, and one 7 years. The final “week” of 7 years is further divided in half. Verse 25 says, “From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’” Seven “sevens” is 49 years, and sixty-two “sevens” is another 434 years:
49 years + 434 years = 483 years
The Purpose of the 70 Weeks
The prophecy contains a statement concerning God’s six-fold purpose in bringing these events to pass. Verse 24 says this purpose is 1) “to finish transgression,” 2) “to put an end to sin,” 3) “to atone for wickedness,” 4) “to bring in everlasting righteousness,” 5) “to seal up vision and prophecy,” and 6) “to anoint the most holy.”
Notice that these results concern the total eradication of sin and the establishing of righteousness. The prophecy of the 70 weeks summarizes what happens before Jesus sets up His millennial kingdom. Of special note is the third in the list of results: “to atone for wickedness.” Jesus accomplished the atonement for sin by His death on the cross (Romans 3:25; Hebrews 2:17).
The Fulfillment of the 70 Weeks
Gabriel said the prophetic clock would start at the time that a decree was issued to rebuild Jerusalem. From the date of that decree to the time of the Messiah would be 483 years. We know from history that the command to “restore and rebuild Jerusalem” was given by King Artaxerxes of Persia c. 444 B.C. (see Nehemiah 2:1-8).
The first unit of 49 years (seven “sevens”) covers the time that it took to rebuild Jerusalem, “with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble” (Daniel 9:25). This rebuilding is chronicled in the book of Nehemiah.
Converting the 360-day year used by the ancient Jews, 483 years becomes 476 years on our solar calendar. Adjusting for the switch from B.C. to A.D., 476 years after 444 B.C. places us at A.D. 33, which would coincide with Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:1–9). The prophecy in Daniel 9 specifies that, after the completion of the 483 years, “the Anointed One will be cut off” (verse 26). This was fulfilled when Jesus was crucified.
Daniel 9:26 continues with a prediction that, after the Messiah is killed, “the people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary.” This was fulfilled with the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. The “ruler who will come” is a reference to the Antichrist, who, it seems, will have some connection with Rome, since it was the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem.
The Final Week of the 70 Weeks
Of the 70 “sevens,” 69 have been fulfilled in history. This leaves one more “seven” yet to be fulfilled. Many scholars believe that we are now living in a huge gap between the 69th week and the 70th week. The prophetic clock has been paused, as it were. The final “seven” of Daniel is what we usually call the tribulation period.
Daniel’s prophecy reveals some of the actions of the Antichrist, the “ruler who will come.” Verse 27 says, “He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’” However, “in the middle of the ‘seven,’ . . . he will set up an abomination that causes desolation” in the temple. Jesus warned of this event in Matthew 24:15. After the Antichrist breaks the covenant with Israel, a time of “great tribulation” begins (Matthew 24:21, NKJV).
Daniel also predicts that the Antichrist will face judgment. He only rules “until the end that is decreed is poured out on him” (Daniel 9:27). God will only allow evil to go so far, and the judgment the Antichrist will face has already been planned out.
Conclusion
The prophecy of the 70 weeks is complex and amazingly detailed, and much has been written about it. Of course, there are various interpretations, but what we have presented here is the dispensational, premillennial view. One thing is certain: God has a time table, and He is keeping things on schedule. He knows the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:10), and we should always be looking for the triumphant return of our Lord (Revelation 22:7).got?
hope this helps !!!
