Wrangler
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Either way, it is not Jesus. See post 40.
Why The Trinity is Wrong: Definition
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synergy
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It's definitely not the Unitarian Jesus who suffers from Multiple Personality Disorder. That's for sure.
It is the Biblical Jesus who is the Incarnated Word of God (John 1:14), who is God (John 1:1), and does not suffer from Multiple Personality Disorder.
Wrangler
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Did you see multiple senses of the word ‘god?’
synergy
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Please explain yourself.
Trinitarianism does not promote 2 persons in one spiritual or physical body. It promotes 3 persons having the same one nature. Therefore, there is no Multiple Personality Disorder in Trinitarianism, just in Unitarianism.
civic
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Wrangler
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I already did. See post #11 with defintion of God as well as OP.
Even worse! 2 of these 'persons' are a spirit. And of these persons have a body. These are not the same nature.
Wrangler
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BTW, there is more than one god of this world. See 1 Cor 8:5.
So, you realize there are different senses of the word 'god.' And it is intellectually dishonest to suppose a 'god' in one sense must be that sense in all times.
AlwaysOnAJourney
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I would like to make a humble suggestion. Instead of fighting over this. Maybe try buying these two books and reading them.
"The Oneness of God" By David K. Bernard
"The Forgotten Trinity" By James R. White
You will get both opposing views, with a lot of scripture backing them up.
"The Oneness of God" By David K. Bernard
"The Forgotten Trinity" By James R. White
You will get both opposing views, with a lot of scripture backing them up.
101G
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nor is it Jehovah, English or Yahweh, in Hebrew. just as you said, "General terms and titles are not the same as a personal name. Our President might be called man, guy, American but none of these are the personal name for our President, former VP, former Senator"
as 101G has said before YHWH is a VERB, and not a NOUN, look it up. and verbs are not PERSONAL NAMES, Nouns are. example. If 101G asked you. "What is the first woman name". if you say EVE you would be wrong. because 101G asked "WHAT" is the first woman name is. WHAT identifies titles as in your titles president, sentors..... ect, that's "WHAT" they are in names as titles. just as the first woman name is as to "WHAT" she is .... "ADAM". this is what she is in name... supportive scripture, Genesis 5:1 "This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;" Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created."
Adam is what she is. now if 101G would have asked, "Who is the First woman Name?" the correct response would be "EVE". because Eve is "WHO" she is in Name, which is a NOUN, and not a verb as YHWH is...... A Verb.... Oh MY.
now go back to Moses asking God about his name and watch the "WHAT" that he asked for. Exodus 3:13 "And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?" Exodus 3:14 "And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."
God gave Moses just "WHAT" he asked for, no more nor any less. see it now.... I AM King, I AM LORD, I AM Redeemer, I AM Saviour, now you titles, I AM President, I AM Senator, I AM VP...... none of these is "WHO" he God is in Name, but WHAT he is in Name.........
YIKES! it's just amazing. how deceived so many people are.
101G.
Wrangler
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Wrong. Totally wrong. There is no equality between Jesus and YHWH. One alone is God, the Creator. The other is not. Seems that you are relying on some semantic argument.
The name of personal name of God is YHWH. Some had vowels to this Tetragrammaton. The English version of God’s eternal name is Jehovah. This is the explicit purpose of Ex 3:15.
Nowhere is Jesus said to be the name of God.
Wrangler
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There is no trinity Scripture. The Bible contains only monotheist text. Any claim to the contrary is Eisegesis.
synergy
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So between the Utilitarian Jesus who has a Multiple Personality Disorder or the Biblical Jesus who has both a God nature and a human nature, I'll take the Biblical Jesus.
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The name of the Lord in reference to Jesus = The name of the Lord in reference to YHWH.
James 2:7
Are not they the ones who blaspheme the noble Name by which you have been called?
Leviticus 24:16
because the one who blasphemes the name of the Lord is certainly to be put to death. The entire congregation is to stone him to death. As it is for the resident alien, so it is to be with the native born: when he blasphemes the Name, he is to be put to death.
James 5:10
As an example, brethren, of suffering and patience, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.
James 5:14
Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him,
anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord.
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101G
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and that's the Lord Jesus, the CREATOR and MAKER of ALL THINGS. the ONE and ONLY TRUE and LIVING GOD.
someone added vowels to the Tetragrammaton? sure did. this is why when one add to the word of God they put the s[iritual noose around their necks.
WRONG, do you know the difference between a VERB and a NOUN?
is not the Lord Jesus the SAVIOUR? yes, Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." now hear this, John 10:30 "I and my Father are one." and this one also, John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." WHO NAME DID HE COME IN? THANK YOU.
now let's prove this OUT. Wrangler, listen closely. in Revelation 1:1 someone sent his angel to John correct. read Revelation 1:1. the angel tells us who sent him. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."
many of scholars say the Lord God of the holy prophets, (meaning the Old Testament God, whom you say is Jehovah) sent the angel.
and how IGNORANT the JW are in saying the same thing, JEHOVAH, is the Lord God who sent his angel. they even put it in their NWT bible, the latest one. and just about every Lay person follow the BIG LIE.
well all of them as well as U are WRONG. let's see why? in the same book in the same chapter, just a few verse below verse 6 at verse 16, we have our answer. Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
the JW must have been asleep at the wheel, in not seeing this. the Lord God JESUS is the OLD TESTAMENT God whom you IGNORANTLY calls Jehovah, and the Hebrews ... just as IGNORANT Yahweh.
this is plain and simple. I JESUS sent my ANGEL.... well it's in the bible.
we suggest you copy and paste this for future reference.......
YIKES!101G.
AlwaysOnAJourney
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That is a good question! I don't remember if they did nor not. You might want to find a book on the Utilitarian Jesus. That is what I would haft to do. I did a little google searching and found this wikipedia page. I will read it.
Unitarianism - Wikipedia
Dizerner
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Another companion—another of the same kind.
GeneZ
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Christ is Two natures.. entirely different natures.. That God has established in the Hypostatic union.
His humanity is not God.
And, God is not His humanity.
God has the two natures in union as to express God to humans in a perfect manner that humans will understand and relate to.
The Son is God being interpreted for mankind as a man can understand.
No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has interpreted God and made him known.
John 1:18
synergy
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Unitarianism has ultimately turned Jesus into two distinct persons. One who is divine Word of God and one who is human. This is Nestorianism. This view promotes that the Word of God Person did not truly become human, but merely came to dwell with another human person in one body.That is a good question! I don't remember if they did nor not. You might want to find a book on the Utilitarian Jesus. That is what I would haft to do. I did a little google searching and found this wikipedia page. I will read it.
Unitarianism - Wikipedia
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The Council of Chalcedon condemned the idea that Jesus was two distinct persons by declaring that there are two natures in one person, not parted or divided into two persons. This is a rejection of the heresy of Nestorianism which held that Christ was two persons and not a unity of two natures under one person, namely the Word of God.
Conclusion: the Unitarian Jesus can officially be diagnosed as suffering from Multiple Personality Disorder.
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