Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.

[Runningman]

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraphs explaining it or a whole chapter teaching it. All you folks have are half verses and other words that are scattered all over the Bible and all taken out of context or not understood how the word was used in the culture it was written in.

That’s true and, to top it all off, no one said which verses to go look at to interpret it or find it as a revelation. Trinitarianism is just an indefensible doctrine with several other supporting doctrines, that are also not found in scripture, attached to it.

The Bible doesn’t teach anything about believing in the Trinity for salvation. When God is spoken of, the three alleged members of the godhead are typically not present in any clear language that explains they are the Trinity.

There are numerous contradictions in Trinitarianism. It’s an ultra liberal belief about God which holds denominational opinion higher than scripture. They typically defer to the athanasian creed to explain it.

 

[Peterlag]

That’s true and, to top it all off, no one said which verses to go look at to interpret it or find it as a revelation. Trinitarianism is just an indefensible doctrine with several other supporting doctrines, that are also not found in scripture, attached to it.

The Bible doesn’t teach anything about believing in the Trinity for salvation. When God is spoken of, the three alleged members of the godhead are typically not present in any clear language that explains they are the Trinity.

There are numerous contradictions in Trinitarianism. It’s an ultra liberal belief about God which holds denominational opinion higher than scripture. They typically defer to the athanasian creed to explain it.

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[Peterlag]

@Peterlag, if you have any more questions please feel free to ask, if you would like to know my reasoning. That’s up to you. I tried to share what I believe concerning your prior question. But in the end you gotta make your own decisions and own choices. You say God came down, but why do you say it like that? It was the Word of God sent down.

There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not. Only in the minds of Catholics who cannot explain it.

 

[Peterlag]

No. I have a faithful reasoning.

God did not come to the earth as a man. There's no reason for Him to do so and this is why nobody can give me a reason why.

 

[Fred]

Jesus is a human so no one worshipped him in spirit and truth like he taught all of his followers to do to the Father.

They already did worship Jesus in Luke 24:52.
You dodged that passage because it refutes your false teaching.

You seem to have a rather carnal idea of godly worship in which you think bowing means deifying someone. That simply isn’t the case. The kind of “worship” Jesus received was all in context to him being a king and son of God and it was just bowing.

I already addressed this issue, but you dodged it.
Try again.

Once again, we Christians obey the teachings of Jesus and he only ever taught about worshipping the Father in John 4.

Which doesn't negate what took place in Luke 24:52.

 

[Runningman]

They already did worship Jesus in Luke 24:52.
You dodged that passage because it refutes your false teaching.





I already addressed this issue, but you dodged it.
Try again.



Which doesn't negate what took place in Luke 24:52.

Quit playing dodgeball Fred. Did you read the part about where nothing in the Bible ever says Jesus is worshipped as God or worshipped in spirit in truth? You also have the wrong idea about bowing to Jesus. It has nothing to do with deity.

When the name of Jesus is bowed to only the Father gets the glory. Only the Father is God. Remarkable.

Philippians 2
10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Fred]

Quit playing dodgeball Fred.

No, because you keep dodging Luke 24:52.

Thanks for making that easy for me.

 

[Runningman]

No, because you keep dodging Luke 24:52.

Thanks for making that easy for me.

Try responding to the comments rather than reading the first few words and repeating the same debunked talking points.

 

[Fred]

Try responding to the comments

Say that to yourself.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/why-i-don%E2%80%99t-believe-or-accept-the-trinity.1640/page-24#post-110114

 

[MTMattie]

No, because you keep dodging Luke 24:52.

Thanks for making that easy for me.

?????????????????? Exactly what is it about Luke 24:52. that would even hint at a reason to disbelieve in the trinity?

50 And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them.

51 While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven.

52 And they, after worshiping Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

53 and were continually in the temple [a]praising God.

It is true that within the four corners of the Holy Book we find time of worship and acceptance of Jesus beyonf what many seem to want to believe...
but it has nothing to do with His being the 2nd of the Trinity.

 

[Runningman]

Say that to yourself.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/why-i-don%E2%80%99t-believe-or-accept-the-trinity.1640/page-24#post-110114

Looks like several commentators had their way with your bad reasoning in that comment. I also responded to it and addressed it. So far you seemed to have just kept on mentioning Luke 24:52. Why do you keep going back to the same talking point rather than actually having a discussion?

 

[Fred]

?????????????????? Exactly what is it about Luke 24:52. that would even hint at a reason to disbelieve in the trinity?

50 And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them.

51 While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven.

52 And they, after worshiping Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy,

53 and were continually in the temple [a]praising God.

It is true that within the four corners of the Holy Book we find time of worship and acceptance of Jesus beyonf what many seem to want to believe...
but it has nothing to do with His being the 2nd of the Trinity.

Only God is to be worshiped.
Jesus is the proper recipient of worship.
Therefore, Jesus is God.

 

[Fred]

Looks like several commentators had their way with your bad reasoning in that comment.

But leave it to your Greek expertise to correct the BDAG (3rd Edition), right?

Get real.

 

[Runningman]

Only God is to be worshiped.
Jesus is the proper recipient of worship.
Therefore, Jesus is God.

False. You're applying bad reasoning to the word for bowing and conflating it with someone being God when that isn't what it necessarily implies or suggests. In some cultures, such as Biblical times, people bowed to each other to honor or respect them. The idea isn't to turn them into a God. It happened in 1 Kings 1:23 where Nathan bowed to the king for example and yet the word for bowing does translate to worshipping. Same concept.

On the matter of worship, as has already been stated, Jesus taught us Christians to worship the Father in spirit in truth. Yes, Jesus' teachings both trump and debunk your teachings to the contrary. Jesus never taught what you are teaching here on this forum and no one else did either. Read this again slowly.

John 4
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[Fred]

False. You're applying bad reasoning to the word for bowing and conflating it with someone being God when that isn't what it necessarily implies or suggests. In some cultures, such as Biblical times, people bowed to each other to honor or respect them.

The idea isn't to turn them into a God. It happened in 1 Kings 1:23 where Nathan bowed to the king for example and yet the word for bowing does translate to worshipping. Same concept.

That's not worship in 1 Kings 1:23.
The Hebrew word doesn't demand it.

Try again.

 

[Runningman]

But leave it to your Greek expertise to correct the BDAG (3rd Edition), right?

Get real.

Doesn't match Scriptural teachings about true worship. True worship is only ever taught to be given to the Father in the Bible.

 

[Fred]

Doesn't match Scriptural teachings about true worship.

Oh, okay so everyone should immediately go to you instead.

Delusional.

 

[Runningman]

That's not worship in 1 Kings 1:23.
The Hebrew word doesn't demand it.

Try again.

John 4:23-24 is still there. Doesn't match what you're saying. Maybe let's agree that Jesus is right and you shouldn't add to it? ( I have a feeling you would even argue with Jesus if he was here right now)

 

[Fred]

John 4:23-24 is still there.

You dodged 1 Kings 1:23.

You first brought it up. Now you are running away.

 

[Runningman]

Oh, okay so everyone should immediately go to you instead.

Delusional.

Go to what Jesus taught about worship.

John 4
23But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.