Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.

[MatthewG]

I don't believe any of the following. I'm asking questions cause I'm trying to learn why God came to the earth.

I have a theory that there's a whole religion that believes God came to the earth to teach us how to be good. And so we then look at Him as an example and follow His teaching to live the rest of our lives trying to please God by being good. Am I correct with this concept because the last Christian I asked this to told me nothing could be further from the truth.

Seek out Yahavah and not man. I’ll fail you? And so will many others. Don’t seek for me. I hate religion.




“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭21‬-‭24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

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[Fred]

A study of other lexicons (many of them Trinitarian) gives a totally different picture than does Vine’s Lexicon. E. W. Bullinger gives morphē a one-word definition, “form.”

That's not "a totally different picture."

The scholarly lexicon by Walter Bauer, translated and revised by Arndt and Gingrich, has under morphē, “form, outward appearance, shape.”

Here's the BDAG (3rd Edition):
μορφὴν δούλου λαβών he took on the form of a slave=expression of servility Phil 2:7 (w. σχῆμα as Aristot., Cat. 10a, 11f, PA 640b, 30–36). This is in contrast to expression of divinity in the preëxistent Christ: ἐν μ. θεοῦ ὑπάρχων although he was in the form of God

Gerard Kittel, TDNT, has “form, external appearance.” Kittel also notes that morphē and schema are often interchangeable. Robert Thayer, in his well-respected lexicon, has under morphē, “the form by which a person or thing strikes the vision; the external appearance.” Thayer says that the Greeks said that children reflect the appearance (morphē) of their parents, something easily noticed in every culture. Thayer also notes that some scholars try to make morphē refer to that which is intrinsic and essential, in contrast to that which is outward and accidental, but says, “the distinction is rejected by many.”

Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): Here the phrase morphe doulou acquires its significance from the contrast on the one side with morphe theou and on the other with the title and dignity of kurios with which Jesus is invested at the end of the passage. It denotes the entry of Jesus into humanity, or more strictly what this means for Him in relation to the power and glory which He possessed and which He therefore renounced (2:278, doulos, Rengstorf).


Here's Thayer's:
he bore the form (in which he appeared to the inhabitants of heaven) of God (the sovereign, opposed to μορφή δούλου), yet did not think that this equality with God was to be eagerly clung to or retained

 

[MatthewG]

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬




Keep having faith! It’s Jesus who is our righteousness, and he tells us? Clearly to seek the Father in spirit and truth.


Worshiping the Father as Jesus states.

“Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭20‬-‭24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John 4:21-24 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for sa | King James Version (KJV) | Downloa

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for sa

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[Fred]

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Asking me my next chess move in post 486 is goading me to respond.
Now you are whimpering about something you actually did.

Get real.

https://berean-apologetics.community.forum/threads/why-i-don%E2%80%99t-believe-or-accept-the-trinity.1640/page-25#post-110130

 

[MatthewG]

You’re ignored Fred, thanks. Yep we all fail as humans.

 

[MatthewG]

“But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11‬:‭6‬-‭7‬ ‭KJV‬‬




Keep having faith! It’s Jesus who is our righteousness, and he tells us? Clearly to seek the Father in spirit and truth.


Worshiping the Father as Jesus states.

“Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭20‬-‭24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John 4:21-24 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for sa | King James Version (KJV) | Downloa

Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for sa

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[Fred]

Worshiping the Father as Jesus states.

Which doesn't negate worshiping Jesus.

 

[MatthewG]

Which doesn't negate worshiping Jesus.

Whatever dude, I see people use Jesus name and their child predators. And money hungry human beings. It’s all about the heart. If you love Jesus great. I love Jesus too.

 

[Fred]

Whatever dude, I see people use Jesus name and their child predators.

Irrelevant.

I know of a Unitarian who did that very thing.

Your point?

 

[MatthewG]

I love Jesus I’m thankful for the Lord.

I’m thankful for Yahavah sending his son.

What more do you want? Fred, worship Jesus I don’t worship Jesus.

You wanna tell me I’m doomed?

 

[Fred]

I love Jesus I’m thankful for the Lord.

I’m thankful for Yahavah sending his son.

What more do you want? Fred, worship Jesus I don’t worship Jesus.

The fact that you don't worship Jesus proves you don't love Jesus.

The true Jesus of the Bible is worshiped as being God.

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus my Lord and savior, you can worship him. I don’t mind. I worship like he told me too, so whatever you wanna make out it is irrelevant.

 

[MatthewG]

The fact that you don't worship Jesus proves you don't love Jesus.

The true Jesus of the Bible is worshiped as being God.

Well your not the judge or executioner you should let God do that.

 

[Fred]

Jesus my Lord and savior, you can worship him. I don’t mind. I worship like he told me too,

No, you don't because you reject worshiping Him.

 

[MatthewG]

you’re acting as though Fred is the boss and gets the choice between who has faith and who doesn’t have faith.


That’s retarded. Straight up issues.

 

[Fred]

Well your not the judge or executioner you should let God do that.

Wow. What a come back line.

Nor are you!

 

[MatthewG]

Wow. What a come back line.

Nor are you!

I said you can worship Jesus dude, what’s malfunctioning? I don’t cause I listen to what Jesus said not what Fred said.

 

[Fred]

you’re acting as though Fred is the boss

I back it up with Scripture.

You ran far away from 2 Timothy 2:22.

Go ahead and pretend that it is not there.

 

[Fred]

I said you can worship Jesus dude, what’s malfunctioning?

That's not the totality of what you said.

You are being dishonest.

 

[MatthewG]

I back it up with Scripture.

You ran far away from 2 Timothy 2:22.

Go ahead and pretend that it is not there.

Bro you ain’t no apostle or no God to me. You’re just a man behind the computer screen who may be on drugs or something cause your not acting normal… your acting like a total pinhead…