Why I don’t believe or accept the trinity.

[Fred]

Bro you ain’t no apostle or no God to me.

Nor are you.

Keep going....

 

[MatthewG]

Well I’m glad you find it amusing to have this fetishized time with me…

It’s retarded bro.

 

[MatthewG]

I’m not trying to be bigger than you Fred.



My goodness.

That’s the issue.

You think I’m telling you “you’re not allowed to worship Jesus” you can do whatever the hell you want, no one is gonna stop you bro…

Your acting all mad and retarded over this and then claiming I’m not a Christian because I don’t “worship” Jesus…

That’s messed up, I have not pulled the conversation into claiming your not one, so


I find your methodology ridiculous, and that you could be drunk or something under influence probably or just going by your flesh z



rather than the Holy Spirit.

 

[Fred]

You think I’m telling you “you’re not allowed to worship Jesus”

No, that is not what I am thinking.

claiming I’m not a Christian because I don’t “worship” Jesus…

That's the truth.

That’s messed up, I have not pulled the conversation into claiming your not one, so

That's your choice. Just because you approach something a certain way doesn't mean I have to.

I find your methodology ridiculous,

Only because it refutes your false teaching about Jesus.

and that you could be drunk or something under influence

That isn't it.

 

[MatthewG]

I think you’re just someone who has a lot of issues man. So I’m just gonna stop responding. You’re just a Man who bleeds the same color red I do. Thank Yahavah for the Lord Jesus, and may the Holy Spirit be with you, peace.

 

[Fred]

I think you’re just someone who has a lot of issues man. So I’m just gonna stop responding.

You already put me on ignore and then came back.

You’re just a Man who bleeds the same color red I do.

Like that's news.

Thank Yahavah for the Lord Jesus, and may the Holy Spirit be with you,

2 Timothy 2:22 is still there.

 

[MatthewG]

Peace bro, Holy Spirit be with.

 

[Fred]

But ****,

What is that?

Can I you smack on the ***?

What does that even mean?

 

[MatthewG]

Who knows.

 

[Fred]

You just a flirt,

Don't confuse me with your boyfriend.


Furthermore, that's not God's last name.

Clean up your act.

 

[Fred]

stop drinking, or drugs, or whatever.

What is the "whatever"?

 

[Peterlag]

That's not "a totally different picture."




Here's the BDAG (3rd Edition):
μορφὴν δούλου λαβών he took on the form of a slave=expression of servility Phil 2:7 (w. σχῆμα as Aristot., Cat. 10a, 11f, PA 640b, 30–36). This is in contrast to expression of divinity in the preëxistent Christ: ἐν μ. θεοῦ ὑπάρχων although he was in the form of God



Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (TDNT): Here the phrase morphe doulou acquires its significance from the contrast on the one side with morphe theou and on the other with the title and dignity of kurios with which Jesus is invested at the end of the passage. It denotes the entry of Jesus into humanity, or more strictly what this means for Him in relation to the power and glory which He possessed and which He therefore renounced (2:278, doulos, Rengstorf).


Here's Thayer's:
he bore the form (in which he appeared to the inhabitants of heaven) of God (the sovereign, opposed to μορφή δούλου), yet did not think that this equality with God was to be eagerly clung to or retained

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. No whole paragraphs explaining it or a whole chapter teaching it. All you folks have are half verses and other words that are scattered all over the Bible and all taken out of context or not understood how the word was used in the culture it was written in.

 

[Fred]

Stop fu

Get a hold of yourself.

If you can't handle evidence against your beliefs, then you shouldn't be posting.

 

[Fred]

There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible.

I stopped reading as soon as I finished the above because it is obvious you couldn't refute what was posted that demolishes the unitarian jesus.

Classic.

 

[Peterlag]

Seek out Yahavah and not man. I’ll fail you? And so will many others. Don’t seek for me. I hate religion.




“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4‬:‭21‬-‭24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

John 4:22-24 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the | King James Version (KJV) | Downloa

Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the

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So are you saying you do not know what the reason was for God to come to the earth?

 

[MatthewG]

So are you saying you do not know what the reason was for God to come to the earth?

No. I have a faithful reasoning.

 

[Fred]

This thread isn’t really a debate thread.

You need to carry your delusion somewhere else then.

 

[MatthewG]

@Peterlag, if you have any more questions please feel free to ask, if you would like to know my reasoning. That’s up to you. I tried to share what I believe concerning your prior question. But in the end you gotta make your own decisions and own choices. You say God came down, but why do you say it like that? It was the Word of God sent down.

 

[Runningman]

When Jesus said the Father is greater, He soon after ascended to be one with the Father.

If I say the president of the USA is greater than me..is he a superior being? No.

He is in a greater position.

Jesus wasn't saying the Father is superior. Jesus was on earth and about to ascend. One with the Father.

God the Father is greater than Jesus in every sense of the word. Not only did Jesus teach this explicitly, but others did as well. Jesus is the servant God chose and sent: Matthew 12:18, Acts 3:13, Acts 4:24-27, Philippians 2:5-8, etc.

John 13
16Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.


Paul taught it:

Ephesians 4
6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

1 Corinthians 15
27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Jesus accepted worship from Thomas who called Jesus His God.

Thomas didn’t worship Jesus nor Jesus is his God. Thomas and Jesus are both elohim according to Jesus is John 10:36, but as far as Jesus’ God Almighty and Thomas’ God Almighty Jesus very bluntly stated that’s the Father in John 20:17.

 

[Runningman]

The same Greek word for "worship" (proskyneō) is used in reference to Jesus in Luke 24:52 and this was done (unlike with an earthly king) when He was not in their physical presence (in equality with the Father).

Luke 24:51-52
(51) And it came to pass, while He blessed them, He was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.
(52) And they worshiped Him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy.

1. BDAG (3rd Edition): Citing Luke 24:52 it reads: "The risen Lord is especially the object of worship" (proskyneō, page 883).
2. Robert Reymond: The significant thing about this act of worship is that He was no longer with them, their religious affections in worship being now directed to Him in heaven just as they would have worshiped the God of their fathers (Jesus, Divine Messiah, page 215)

Jesus is a human so no one worshipped him in spirit and truth like he taught all of his followers to do to the Father.

You seem to have a rather carnal idea of godly worship in which you think bowing means deifying someone. That simply isn’t the case. The kind of “worship” Jesus received was all in context to him being a king and son of God and it was just bowing.

Once again, we Christians obey the teachings of Jesus and he only ever taught about worshipping the Father in John 4. No one ever taught anything about Christians worshipping Jesus as though he’s God.