Dizerner
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I'm not sure that follows.
You're assuming everyone obeys the Spirit perfectly here.
"For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." (Acts 2:39 NKJ)
Why I Don’t Believe in Calvinism Anymore after 10 Years
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I'm not sure that follows.
You're assuming everyone obeys the Spirit perfectly here.
"For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call." (Acts 2:39 NKJ)
civic
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I’m talking about the John passage about all truth promised to the disciples.
Dizerner
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It was not promised they would be obedient to that truth... anyone can resist the truth.
civic
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But they were guided into all truth writing the gospels and epistles right ?
Eleazar
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I hear what you're saying, and I believe the direct promise Jesus made to them is beneficial to us from their writings which make up the New Testament. The problem is you have to make sure you're listening to the holy spirit. That makes all the difference in the world on how you interpreted scripture and where our different denominations in theologies originate.
Eleazar
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That's what I'm talking about. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but that's what being deceived is all about. And we all know the bad news about being deceived is you don't realize that you're deceived, Because... you deceived. That's why it's so hard to change your opinion.
Dizerner
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e v e
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well ...
i think souls of Him have different jobs.
Sarah had a job, Joseph had a job...
and in their unique job each soul of Him
is an apostle of Him
but those specific 12 had a certain job..
every soul of Him has His promise.
The 144k sons and daughters
will meet Him on the clouds
and the sons, with christ, will restore paradise
that is an amazing job....
imagine how disappointing for the apostles
to know that they would die in their earthly bodies
and their worry for us
and prayers for us,
knowing His words would be corrupted
and trusting Him we would succeed
to do our job
in the end times
praise_yeshua
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Yep. A mistake often made by "JWs". I remind the women they have no hope for such a reward in their religion.
praise_yeshua
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I was in a "camp meeting" in Kentucky in the very early 90s when I first meet some rather "hardcore" Calvinists in a group of "ministers". There were also a few "Primitive Baptist" there as well. I never really understood completely as to why. Primitive Baptists generally do not fellowship among other "believers" because of their position on music. I believe the "leader" of the church groups directly funding the events had a large influence over a rather diverse group of churches. The men I was with warned me to not preach on election. Apparently it was an "unspoken" rule among the participants. Ministers were called from the floor and I knew the "moderator" better than others. (Moderators love to pretend "God" dictates their choices in such events but that is not always the case.) I was younger than most attending and I believe he felt obligated to "help me". I knew when he was going to call me. I had every plan to speak on Jacob and Esau. The title of my message was going to be "Holding to the Bruised Heel". I was "loaded" as they say..... Night of the "time" I was going to speak, a huge storm came up and they cancelled the event. Not saying anything about "Divine Intervention".... but I decided around that time in my life to believe the Truth more than relationships. It has been a difficult journey at times for me. Not that the Lord hasn't been with me. He has. I praise Him for it. I've lost more friends that I care to name. My entire outlook on the Gospel message and teachings of Christ began to change from that day till today. I say that to say this.....
Most people rely on others to "set" their theology. The relationships they've built among men mean more to them than pleasing God. I believe this is especially true among "preachers/ministers". I've actually had ministers tell me I was right about a subject but they couldn't preach the truth because it would destroy their assembly and end their job. This happens more times than not. Once a person publically commits to a position, pride often prevents them from every admitting they were wrong.
From a very early Christian age, I have believed that Election is all about Christ. I believed in "Corporate Election" before someone every decided to "coin the phrase". I believed it because the Scriptures teach it and that is all that matters. Let the "chips fall where they may". The Truth in Jesus Christ is more important than other relationships we have. Other many abandon us but He promised never to leave us. I'm living proof of that. At least in my mind I am.
The preaching and teaching of individual election is an offense to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
civic
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Thanks I’ll have to watch them this evening
