Why "evil"?

[101G]

Everything evil and relative to Adam fall is centered around a lie.

When Jesus said that Satan was a liar from the beginning and the father of lies, Jesus was appealing to what evil actually is. It is belief and trust in anything other than God. It is what Satan sold Eve in believing. Satan sold Eve on the lie that God wasn't telling her the truth. Satan also told her that there was eternal life in something other than God.

That is the essence of evil.

ERROR, she sold herself on the lie. SHE "DESIRED", and another word for desire is "LUST". it's up to you and I to OBEY God or not, the devil did not give a bill of receipt? did he, no, nor did he put a gun to her head and made her eat either. the devil can only tempt us through deception. understand the "LUST" she had to be made wise was the SIN, not the devil, but here LUST/DESIRE to be wise.

understand the different between "Sin" and "Iniquity" ..... ok. In the Bible, iniquity refers to immoral or wicked behavior and a deliberate act of disobedience against God and His laws.

if you don't know the differences between "Sin" and "Iniquity" look it up or just ask.

in much G.L.

101G.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Scripture declares "evil" is a created by God.

In describing the Sovereignty of God Almighty Isaiah states that God creates "evil."

5 I am the LORD, and there is none else,
There is no God beside me:
I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west,
That there is none beside me.
I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the LORD do all these things.
Isaiah 45:5–7.

"Evil" is everything created by God, from created universe to created man from the dust from the ground, and the basic premise of why there is "evil" is very simple according to Isaiah:

1. There is only ONE God.
2. There is NONE like Him.
3. He gives His glory to NO ONE.

"Evil" is everything not God.
Man is not God and therefore he is "evil" because He is not God. There is only ONE God. There is NONE like Him; and He gives His glory (Holiness, Righteousness, Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresent, Pure, Eternal, Sinless, etc.)
God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself. God cannot copy, share, give, or reduplicate any aspect of His Deific Attributes in created matter, whether that matter is a created man or created planet. When it comes to man this is revealed by the core substance of man in what he is and what he does. God created him (and the woman) that way because of His creating man. That's the only way God can create man. In comparison between the first Adam and the last Adam, the first Adam was from the ground, temporal, not eternal, sinful, not sinless, and while God in His true nature is omniscient and knows all things, man is not, and his knowing is limited by his make-up and by his experience. Everything in the created universe falls short of the glory of God. The word for that is "evil," sinful.

And what is sinful? Man is sinful, evil, by virtue of his creation. He falls short of God's glory. The word for that is "sin" This was the reason for his disobedience in Eden, the Garden of God. Even if Adam did not eat from the forbidden Tree, he would have in time eventually die. He would die because he was not eternal, nor did he have the power to merely exist as eternal as God does. This alone shows Adam falls short of God's glory.

 

[praise_yeshua]

ERROR, she sold herself on the lie.

She avoided the issue until Satan showed up. Did you forget that?

SHE "DESIRED", and another word for desire is "LUST". it's up to you and I to OBEY God or not, the devil did not give a bill of receipt? did he, no, nor did he put a gun to her head and made her eat either. the devil can only tempt us through deception. understand the "LUST" she had to be made wise was the SIN, not the devil, but here LUST/DESIRE to be wise.

What is wrong with desiring to be wise? I don't know if you desire to be wise or not but don't criticize others that desire to be wise.

Show me the word "lust" in the narrative. It doesn't exist. Why are you lying about it? That isn't wise.

Pro 3:35 The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

Here is the verse for your reference.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

understand the different between "Sin" and "Iniquity" ..... ok. In the Bible, iniquity refers to immoral or wicked behavior and a deliberate act of disobedience against God and His laws.

Someone taught you to be evil. You listened. You liked it. End of story. You have to be taught to do good. You have to be taught to do evil.

if you don't know the differences between "Sin" and "Iniquity" look it up or just ask.

in much G.L.

101G.

I don't need your help. You need mine?

 

[101G]

She avoid the issue until Satan showed up. Did you forget that?

did you forget this, Romans 7:21 "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me." now do we have to partake? no, listen to the bible, Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Eschewed is to depart from it, it's a choice... my God, how hard is it to understand.

What is wrong desiring to be wise?

here what wrong, Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." now what is the opposite? Proverbs 12:28 "In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death." now just because the satan shows up, is he the WAY of LIFE?

I'm surprise of you, you should have KNOWN these things.

Show me the word "lust" in the narrative. It doesn't exist. Why are you lying about it? That isn't wise.

sure, Genesis 3:6 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
the Hebrew term Desire:
H2530 חָמַד chamad (chaw-mad') n-f.
to delight in.
[a primitive root]
KJV: beauty, greatly beloved, covet, delectable thing, (X great) delight, desire, goodly, lust, (be) pleasant (thing), precious (thing).

Next get a dictionary, when Desire is used as a NOUN, "A deep longing or wish for something", it is synonyms with "LUST", just as the KJV above can translate it

Pro 3:35 The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

The wise? listen carefully, Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." getr your basic down first to be wise..... see that KNOWLEDGE, God teach it, and as 101G been saying they were not to eat KNOWLEDGE from the tree, it is GOD FEED. why, as the apostle Peter said, 1 Peter 2:2 "As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" 1 Peter 2:3 "If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious." see, God when one get off milk, then the Parent chew up the food for digestion. for, 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." Holy Ghost ... "TEACH", what did Isaiah 28:9 say? "Whom shall he teach knowledge?"... oh yea she lusted after knowledge without God, and just like God said, you will die... God don't LIE.

Here is the verse for your reference.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

see above

I don't need your help. You need mine?

so, we can take this as you don't know... (smile).... YIKES, so make the same mistake as mother Eve... see ya.

101G.

 

[praise_yeshua]

did you forget this, Romans 7:21 "I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me." now do we have to partake? no, listen to the bible, Job 1:1 "There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil." Eschewed is to depart from it, it's a choice... my God, how hard is it to understand.

Apparently it is very hard for you. I don't know why you're appealing to Romans 7:21. Eve didn't have the law.

here what wrong, Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death." now what is the opposite? Proverbs 12:28 "In the way of righteousness is life; and in the pathway thereof there is no death." now just because the satan shows up, is he the WAY of LIFE?

Adam and Eve were good in comparison to their children that followed. Abel was wonderful. Cain, not so much. Learn something.

I'm surprise of you, you should have KNOWN these things.

You haven't said anything I haven't heard before. I can handle you very easily. You're not paying attention to what you're saying at all. Just repeating what you're told. Do you like to hear....."Good boy"? There is reason Jesus talked about a dog returning its vomit.

sure, Genesis 3:6 "And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat."
the Hebrew term Desire:
H2530 חָמַד chamad (chaw-mad') n-f.
to delight in.
[a primitive root]
KJV: beauty, greatly beloved, covet, delectable thing, (X great) delight, desire, goodly, lust, (be) pleasant (thing), precious (thing).

Nothing about lust there. Desire can be very pure. Desires can be good.

Next get a dictionary, when Desire is used as a NOUN, "A deep longing or wish for something", it is synonyms with "LUST", just as the KJV above can translate it

English.... is a very poor language. It blurs the lines between good and evil. Learn more.

The wise? listen carefully, Isaiah 28:9 "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts." getr your basic down first to be wise..... see that KNOWLEDGE, God teach it, and as 101G been saying they were not to eat KNOWLEDGE from the tree, it is GOD FEED. why, as the apostle Peter said, 1 Peter 2:2 "As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" 1 Peter 2:3 "If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious." see, God when one get off milk, then the Parent chew up the food for digestion. for, 1 Corinthians 2:13 "Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual." Holy Ghost ... "TEACH", what did Isaiah 28:9 say? "Whom shall he teach knowledge?"... oh yea she lusted after knowledge without God, and just like God said, you will die... God don't LIE.

Funny. You used the word desire.... that is hilarious. Did Peter tell you to desire something evil?

see above

so, we can take this as you don't know... (smile).... YIKES, so make the same mistake as mother Eve... see ya.

101G.

I've never seen a systematic approach to much of anything from you. I wish/pray that would change.

 

[jeremiah1five]

She avoided the issue until Satan showed up. Did you forget that?



What is wrong with desiring to be wise? I don't know if you desire to be wise or not but don't criticize others that desire to be wise.

Show me the word "lust" in the narrative. It doesn't exist. Why are you lying about it? That isn't wise.

Pro 3:35 The wise shall inherit glory: but shame shall be the promotion of fools.

Here is the verse for your reference.

Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.



Someone taught you to be evil. You listened. You liked it. End of story. You have to be taught to do good. You have to be taught to do evil.



I don't need your help. You need mine?

What "Satan"
The angels that sinned [against God] were ALL locked up.

4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 2 Peter 2:4.

Jude also knows the Scripture spoken of in Isaiah:

6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Jude 5–6.

And Isaiah?

12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
Isaiah 14:12–15.

The angels that sinned were locked up and prevented by the will of God of interfering in the affairs of men.
It doesn't matter what angels do for ALL angels - those that sinned, and those that did not - ALL still obey the Lord their God. No angel possesses any free will to do anything unless the Lord grants permission. And the angels that did sin (in their "heart") God has locked them up. ALL angels are obedient to God who created them, and ONLY according to the will of God.

Angels do not possess the Omniscience of God and cannot do as they please for God knows their "heart" and none can move of their own act against men at all.
Angels, like men, were not created holy, or righteous, or sinless, because as the prophet Isaiah said, there is ONLY ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He [God} gives His glory (Holiness, Sinlessness, Eternalness, Righteousness, Omniscience, Omnipotent, Omnipresence, etc.), to NO ONE.
You give too much glory to angels beyond what God has given to them.
ALL angels are stationary unless and until God commands an angel to do a thing. Once sin was "found in their heart" then these angels were locked up. But God knew that angels He created were created fallen short of the glory of God and those angels that sinned "in their hearts" were locked up.
Angels that did not sin, or are being restrained from sin, do God's bidding such as the angels in the Biblical narrative and where they appeared is according to the will of God.

 

[TedT]

There is innocence to be found in unbelief till God proves Himself through the Gospel and life to every man.

1 Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray: but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Look at the order of things here:
First, they are His sheep.
Second, they went astray into sin.
Third, they return from their time in Sin City to be reconciled.

First, they are His sheep implying that they were innocent then accepted HIM as their GOD and Saviour to become HIS sheep, HIS family, the people of HIS kingdom. Second, they then went astray into sin implying that they became sinners after they had made their true free will decision to accept HIM as their GOD and Saviour.

The unbelief of their not yet having made their choice for or against HIS proclamation as deity and the gospel, Col 1:23, did not make them sinners, because it was not by their faith, an unproven hope. Only by their active disbelief, their choice to accept by faith not proof of HIM as being a liar and a fase god did the reprobate become demons and only when the sheep rebelled against the call for the damnation of the reprobate did they become sinners needing redemption.


1 John 3:8 Berean Standard Bible The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.

The devil being a sinner from the very beginning cannot mean, imCo, that he was created evil as GOD is holy and cannot create or do any evil by HIS own will which implies that in the beginning the devil made a true free will decision to rebel against GOD's proclamation to be our only god and our only saviour from sin. It also implies that sinning from the very beginning means he was never one of His sheep and therefore cannot be returned to Him as he was never one of HIS.

So, when did the becoming HIS sheep or rejecting HIM to stay not HIS sheep happen?
To return, one must have been there before, at least, according to the normal use of the word. Therefore, in this verse, it would be normal to infer that the sheep that had gone astray, were, at one time part of the Shepherd's flock but had strayed away from HIS care. Since I am sure that the Shepherd was not negligent, the straying away from HIS care must have involved some rebellion.

Therefore, it is normally obvious that Peter is writing to some apostatized (gone astray) Christians (people of the flock). It is also normally apparent that what he was writing is intended for every new convert in every age since, implying that they went astray into sin before they were flung into the earth, Rev 12:4-9, or were sown into the world, Matt 13:36-39, by conception.