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[Titus]

King James Version has errors.
Romans 8:26 KJV
- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit  itself maketh intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered

The King James uses WOKE pronouns!!!
Every Greek description for God is gendered Male.

God is not an it.
Jesus is not an it.
Father is not an it.
Spirit is not an it.

Faither is He.
Son is He.
Holy Spirit is He.

John 14:26, 13
- but the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name  He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance ....
- howbeit when  He the Spirit of truth is come  He will guide you into all truth for  He shall not speak of  Himself but whatsoever  He shall hear that shall  He speak and  He will shew you things to come

Translators got it right in John.
Now Romans 8:26 corrected.
- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit  Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered

 

[Red Baker]

@Titus

King James Version has errors.
Romans 8:26 KJV
- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit  itself maketh intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered

Really? Are we now addressing errors of the KJV? Start a thread on this and we will come. There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it", the truth is still intact in Romans 8:26. See: https://www.chick.com/information/a...es5bdbKdxWkObSfy5-9JrGbINE8pV4xBt8CECARARDY_m

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

Because with God, the Son there is no necessary relationship between obedience and faith. I have noted before that chapter 11 of Hebrews, called the Faith chapter by some, first presents the biblical definition for faith and then proceeds to point out key persons in the Bible who demonstrated that faith. Jesus is not even mentioned has having faith. That is for a reason, because as God, the Son, the definition given there simply cannot be rationally applied to him. It does not fit. There is no place for the concept of faith in "the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" What power is lacking in God, the Son, that He should need and have to rely upon faith?

Jim, Those mentioned in Hebrews 11 were from the OT, even though Christ died under the under OT, yet he's still considered under the NT writings, just as John the Baptist who also is not mentioned, yet the greatest prophet besides Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:11​

“Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

You argument does not serve it purpose given. I'm thinking about going through Galatians three:

Galatians 3:22​

“But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”

A very interesting study that few can grasp its meaning, it took me a few years to totally understand since very few ever preach on these things.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Yes,
But in their literature does it teach the elect have no evidence for others of their election.
If so, that would discourage not encourage the reader to become a calvinist.

Personally, I would DISCOURAGE anybody from being an "IST" or an "IAN" of any sort, and instead, simply KMOW WHAT THE WORD SAYS, obey the Holy Sprit.

Don't read "Theological opinions" ABOUT the Word.

READ THE WORD, and trust the holy spirit to give wisdom as HE PROMISES TO DO (James 1:5)

If You're CONVICTED OF YOUR SIN by the Holy Spirit, surrender to HIM and REPENT in FAITH, calling on God to cleanse you from SIN, then you're Born Again, and on the road to spiritual maturity.

"SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGIES" aren't required.

 

[Titus]

@Titus

Really? Are we now addressing errors of the KJV? Start a thread on this and we will come. There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it", the truth is still intact in Romans 8:26. See: https://www.chick.com/information/a...es5bdbKdxWkObSfy5-9JrGbINE8pV4xBt8CECARARDY_m

You have no authority to tell me what to discuss.
Start another thread?
This is my thread, who are you to tell me what to talk about on what I posted.
If anyone should be told what to talk about it's you coming on my thread.

As far as the truth still being told in KJV of Romans 8:26 use, of it for the person of the Holy Spirit rather than who He really is which is He.
Listen to your own language,

There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it",

Really?
By your claim I can refer to the Holy Spirit as a she.
If I can refer to Him as an it.
If this does not change any doctrinal teaching as you claim.
Your claiming it does not is out of desperation.
How else can we address God and it not change any doctrinal teaching?
Apparently the gender neutral Bibles are not changing doctrinal teaching since according to Red Baker we can call God not by how He has choosen to be addressed e.g. Father, Son, Holy Spirit but by definitions that He never spoke of Himself as.

Start a thread on this and we will come. There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it",

Wrong.
God never once told anyone to address Him as an it.
That is showing disrespect to Gods choice of description on how He wants us to see Him in His revelation.
It is theological error.
"It" denies Personhood:
In scripture God us described as a personal being not an impersonal force.
"It" is a pronoun for things, objects, or abstract ideas, NOT PERSONS!!!
Using it implies God is not relational, has His own mind or intentions which contradicts,
Exodus 3:14 - I AM WHO I AM
John 1:1 - The Word was with God the Word was God
Romans 8:27 - The Spirit has His own mind.

God chose to reveal Himself as He, Him, and Father.
This language is not arbitrary. It reflects how He wants to be known.
Matthew 6:9 - Our Father who art in heaven
John 17:1-3, Jesus prays to the Father.
Ephesians 1:3 - blessed be the God and It of our Lord Jesus Christ, Does that sound respectful to you?
- blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

Conclusion: To reject Gods chosen way of self- identification is to undermine the authority of the Scriptures.

 

[Titus]

Personally, I would DISCOURAGE anybody from being an "IST" or an "IAN" of any sort, and instead, simply KMOW WHAT THE WORD SAYS, obey the Holy Sprit.

Don't read "Theological opinions" ABOUT the Word.

READ THE WORD, and trust the holy spirit to give wisdom as HE PROMISES TO DO (James 1:5)

If You're CONVICTED OF YOUR SIN by the Holy Spirit, surrender to HIM and REPENT in FAITH, calling on God to cleanse you from SIN, then you're Born Again, and on the road to spiritual maturity.

"SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGIES" aren't required.

Yes, no hyphenated Christian for me.
I will be what God named me when He saved me and made me His child. A new testament Christian.

Christ - ian. A follower of Christ not men.

 

[Titus]

Just a Christian​

Not a Luthren.
Not a Wesleyan.
Not a Calvinist.
Not a Roman Papist.
Not a Pauline.
Not a Baptist(John the baptizer).
Not an Arminian.


Just a Christ- ian.
A follower of God not the Theological doctrines of men.

 

[civic]

Just a Christian​

Not a Luthren.
Not a Wesleyan.
Not a Calvinist.
Not a Roman Papist.
Not a Pauline.
Not a Baptist(John the baptizer).
Not an Arminian.


Just a Christ- ian.
A follower of God not the Theological doctrines of men.

I grew up as a youth as a Lutheran
Became a believer and was Dutch Reformed
Then went to a Christian Missionary Alliance for 2 decades while remaining a Calvinist
Moved in 98 and joined a non denominational church I’m still at. Left Calvinism 3 years ago
Now I’m just a Christian