Who is the creator

[charismaticlady]

That has nothing to do with their humanity, but rather their standing with God. Both are equally human.

So, then nothing is different between the desires of a natural human, and one who is born again. They are both sinners, but only one gets away with it?

We are saved from the power and penalty of sin. We are, however, still capable of sinning, but not obligated to do so. We are capable of refraining from sinning at any given temptation to sin.

How? Do you believe a Christian's nature is still a sin nature?

It doesn’t contradict anything. It is a historical narrative of the gift in action, and an explanation of why it was employed by God at that moment.

1Cor 14 does not forbid tounges , which is defined as a personal spiritual communication with God, but it does temper the use of it it public setting, and it makes it, at least, secondary to prophecy, meaning speaking in a known language.

Interpretation is a necessity if used in places that people, especially unbelievers, are present.

If a group of people surround someone who needs prayer, and one prays for them aloud in English, but the others softly pray in tongues, are they required to stop, or must they at least interpret what they are praying to God about them?

 

[FreeInChrist]

Perfect answer and correct. So, why do most pastors teach that Christians have a sin nature? Only someone who is born again can be called a Christian.

Personally, I think teaching that heresy is a slap to the face of Jesus and what He went through to give us freedom from lawless sin unto death.

I have no idea unless they want to impress on man the need for the new birth or at minimum faith in Christ?

 

[TibiasDad]

So, then nothing is different between the desires of a natural human, and one who is born again. They are both sinners, but only one gets away with it?

I did not say that. The spirit of man is changed, which has nothing to do with their humanness. To be human is not to be sinful, as if sin is a physical aspect of being human; it is not. Sin is a spiritual phenomenon. It affects the physical aspects of man, but is not physical in itself.

How? Do you believe a Christian's nature is still a sin nature?

The nature is obligated to the one it obeys. Once born again, the bondage we had to sin has been broken. As Paul says in Rom 6:

16Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Paul continues this thought in Rom 7 when he uses the example of someone whose spouse dies, setting them free from the law, and granting freedom to marry again.

He then circles back to his argument in Romans 6 in Rom 8, saying 12Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

If a group of people surround someone who needs prayer, and one prays for them aloud in English, but the others softly pray in tongues, are they required to stop, or must they at least interpret what they are praying to God about them?

What does Paul say in 1Cor 14? It is pretty self explanatory. I’m not passing judgement on any particular worship style, but remember that Paul puts pretty strict restrictions on how tongues are to be used in public settings, and the emphasis is how unbelievers react to hearing it!

16…when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue…22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”


Doug

 

[charismaticlady]

I did not say that. The spirit of man is changed, which has nothing to do with their humanness. To be human is not to be sinful, as if sin is a physical aspect of being human; it is not. Sin is a spiritual phenomenon. It affects the physical aspects of man, but is not physical in itself.

So then you believe what is born again is the spirit, making us without a sin nature as other human beings, just a human nature.

The nature is obligated to the one it obeys. Once born again, the bondage we had to sin has been broken. As Paul says in Rom 6:

16Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you have come to obey from your heart the pattern of teaching that has now claimed your allegiance. 18You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.

Paul continues this thought in Rom 7 when he uses the example of someone whose spouse dies, setting them free from the law, and granting freedom to marry again.

He then circles back to his argument in Romans 6 in Rom 8, saying 12Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

We agree.

What does Paul say in 1Cor 14? It is pretty self explanatory. I’m not passing judgement on any particular worship style, but remember that Paul puts pretty strict restrictions on how tongues are to be used in public settings, and the emphasis is how unbelievers react to hearing it!

16…when you are praising God in the Spirit, how can someone else, who is now put in the position of an inquirer, say “Amen” to your thanksgiving, since they do not know what you are saying? 17You are giving thanks well enough, but no one else is edified.

18I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue…22Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

Were the 120 people speaking in tongues heard on the Day of Pentecost in a public place?

 

[101G]

So then you believe what is born again is the spirit, making us without a sin nature as other human beings, just a human nature.

only the mind is to be renewed, our bodies as yet to be changed .... and that happens when the Lord returns.
so while in these fleshly bodies we are subject and can sin. hence 1 John 1:8-10.

101G

 

[charismaticlady]

only the mind is to be renewed, our bodies as yet to be changed .... and that happens when the Lord returns.
so while in these fleshly bodies we are subject and can sin. hence 1 John 1:8-10.

101G

So why did John say in the third chapter that those who are born of God cannot sin? What's the difference between practicing sin and committing sin. Is committing murder once not practicing murder so is okay?

 

[101G]

So why did John say in the third chapter that those who are born of God cannot sin? What's the difference between practicing sin and committing sin. Is committing murder once not practicing murder so is okay?

cannot not sin,,,,,,, "what do seal mean?", is this not "Spiritual", but fleshly, is not 1 John 1:8-10 for Christian while in the flesh until he returns?

LISTEN CAREFULLY, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

so 101G ask once more, what is BORN AGAIN, flesh or spirit?

101G

 

[charismaticlady]

cannot not sin,,,,,,, "what do seal mean?", is this not "Spiritual", but fleshly, is not 1 John 1:8-10 for Christian while in the flesh until he returns?

LISTEN CAREFULLY, 1 John 1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us."

so 101G ask once more, what is BORN AGAIN, flesh or spirit?

101G

1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 are those in darkness. 1 John 1:5, 7 and 9 are about God is light, we who are walking in the light, and the verse that tells us how to become a Christian and cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. So do we still sin with no unrighteousness?

John is using a Semitic (Hebrew) writing style of contrasts. Note the odd and even verse numbers (a happy coincidence). The meaning is clearer in the next chapter. 1 John 2:4 says, "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." It is not saying that we are perfect yet, because you need to know which sin type John is referring to. In chapter 3 it is lawlessness (verse 4). Those are sins unto death. But there are also sins not unto death that as long as you are walking in the Spirit, 1 John 1:7, those sins Jesus does not hold against us, but forgives and cleanses.

Look at 1 John 1:10. That person is explicitly saying they were born without sin and have never sinned. That is a lie. We are not born Christians. We all need to repent so we can receive the gift of the Holy Spirit to indwell us so we cannot commit a sin unto death. It is just not in our new nature to do so.

Our body is not the source of sin. That is why when Jesus says we must be born again, He is only speaking of our mind and heart - our nature, that used to be the cursed old man/sin nature./flesh. And the way Paul says "flesh" is carnality, not muscles, bones and organs.

 

[FreeInChrist]

So why did John say in the third chapter that those who are born of God cannot sin? What's the difference between practicing sin and committing sin. Is committing murder once not practicing murder so is okay?

 

[101G]

@charismaticlady,

1 John 1:6, 8 and 10 are those in darkness. 1 John 1:5, 7 and 9 are about God is light, we who are walking in the light, and the verse that tells us how to become a Christian and cleansed of ALL UNRIGHTEOUSNESS. So do we still sin with no unrighteousness?

101G see your error. Question, are we walking in the Light at our NEW BIRTH? no, scripture, 1 Peter 2:2 "As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" so, you're born GROWN at your spiritual BIRTH?

understand, practicing, and committing sin, both are a ... .LEARNED behavior. are you perfect once BORN AGAIN? spiritually yes, for the Lord Jesus paid that price one and for all. now, naturally/fleshly, (until which death is yet to come ..... Naturally, without blood), if alive, Naturally NOW, then Hebrews 12:2 is useless. "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." the author and finisher of our faith? this is NATUALLY, while alive in the body. 101G suggest you re-read Roman

are one finish at birth, yes, (spiritually), but not fleshly while we're "ALIVE" in the flesh. so Read Roman especially chapter 6-9 closely, but the whole book is good for your EDIFICATION. but understand the term "LET" in Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof." Let not sin reign ... where? our mortal body. there is our answer, not in our "spirit" which is sealed, but in our NATUALLY BODIES.

see, sin is condemned IN THE FLESH, which will be destroyed at his coming. and we who are saved/SEALED walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. which is a LEARNED BEHAVIOUR. hence Hebrews 12:2. and while in this learning stage, we have 1 John 1:8-10 to PRACTICING in OVERCOMING the flesh in this world. Now our spirits are sealed... a done deal, hidden in Christ who became sin for us. the walk is in the flesh here in our bodies. again, LISTEN, 1 John 1:5 "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:6 "If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:" 1 John 1:7 "But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." how much sin do the blood of Christ cleanse us from..... "ALL OF IT". now, what about our .... WALK/FELLOWSHIP? .... which is a LEARNED BEHAVIOUR. sonship/salvation is a done deal. it's our WALK/FELLOWSHIP that is in question while in these fleshly bodies.

hoped this helped.

101G

 

[charismaticlady]

101G see your error. Question, are we walking in the Light at our NEW BIRTH? no, scripture, 1 Peter 2:2 "As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:" so, you're born GROWN at your spiritual BIRTH?

That is why I said we are not perfect when we are first walking in the Light. But the sin nature has been crucified, and we are raised up new creatures in Christ. Old desires of lawlessness are gone. Jesus has taken them away. 1 John 3:4-5.

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. As the Author it is when we are first born again of the SPIRIT. Personally, I had gone to church for 30 years BEFORE this event. And it IS an experience. I literally felt a heaviness lift out of my body and felt light as a feather. But the desires I had the day before were now gone and I was free.

Then as the Finisher of our faith Jesus takes away immaturity of each fruit of the Spirit, and it is a process. 2 Peter 1:5-11. And at the end of this long process we will no longer stumble. It is the difference between righteousness and holiness. As the Author Jesus makes us righteous. But as the Finisher of our faith he makes us perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect. That is the goal God wants for all of us. "Be holy, for I am holy."

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[FreeInChrist]

That is why I said we are not perfect when we are first walking in the Light. But the sin nature has been crucified, and we are raised up new creatures in Christ. Old desires of lawlessness are gone. Jesus has taken them away. 1 John 3:4-5.

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. As the Author it is when we are first born again of the SPIRIT. Personally, I had gone to church for 30 years BEFORE this event. And it IS an experience. I literally felt a heaviness lift out of my body and felt light as a feather. But the desires I had the day before were now gone and I was free.

Then as the Finisher of our faith Jesus takes away immaturity of each fruit of the Spirit, and it is a process. 2 Peter 1:5-11. And at the end of this long process we will no longer stumble. It is the difference between righteousness and holiness. As the Author Jesus makes us righteous. But as the Finisher of our faith he makes us perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect. That is the goal God wants for all of us. "Be holy, for I am holy."

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

And if I might add to this.... slightly different view.

In 1 John 3:9, John writes (literal sense):

“No one born of God does not keep on sinning.”

John is not saying a believer never commits a sin.
He is saying a believer cannot live in sin as a settled pattern.

That distinction is everything.

Now Committing sin vs. practicing sin​

This refers to individual acts of sin — failures, lapses, moments of weakness.​

John already acknowledged this earlier saying “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.” (1 John 1:8) and
“If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father.” (1 John 2:1)

So John cannot mean sinless perfection — that would contradict himself within the same letter.

This refers to a pattern , a way of life , ongoing, unrepentant rebellion even sin as identity, not incident.

In Greek, John uses a present continuous tense — meaning ongoing action.

So the sense is.....“No one born of God continues in sin as a way of life.”

---

Why the new birth makes this impossible​

“Because God’s seed abides in him meaning one gets a new nature , a new principle of life , a new direction of desire. And yes, we, the believer may fall, we cannot settle into old lifestyles. We may stumble, but cannot remain comfortable in sin.

John is not teaching sinless perfection but new nature: believers may commit sin, but they cannot practice sin as a settled way of life, because God’s seed abides in them.

 

[101G]

That is why I said we are not perfect when we are first walking in the Light. But the sin nature has been crucified, and we are raised up new creatures in Christ. Old desires of lawlessness are gone. Jesus has taken them away. 1 John 3:4-5.

correctly, it's the OVERCOMING these fleshly desires. whille we live in the flesh. right on.

Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. As the Author it is when we are first born again of the SPIRIT. Personally, I had gone to church for 30 years BEFORE this event. And it IS an experience. I literally felt a heaviness lift out of my body and felt light as a feather. But the desires I had the day before were now gone and I was free.

correct again, for.... Hebrews 10:25 "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching." .... WE ALL ARE LEARNING. this is why IRON SHARPEN IRON.

Then as the Finisher of our faith Jesus takes away immaturity of each fruit of the Spirit, and it is a process. 2 Peter 1:5-11. And at the end of this long process we will no longer stumble. It is the difference between righteousness and holiness. As the Author Jesus makes us righteous. But as the Finisher of our faith he makes us perfect as His Father in heaven is perfect. That is the goal God wants for all of us. "Be holy, for I am holy."

By George charismaticlady 101G think you got it.... (smile).

5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, 6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness, 7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.

BINGO, you got it.

10 Therefore, brethren, be even more diligent to make your call and election sure, for if you do these things you will never stumble; 11 for so an entrance will be supplied to you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

must 101G say anything more, congratulations. you got ... you're ok

101G.

 

[101G]

And if I might add to this.... slightly different view.

In 1 John 3:9, John writes (literal sense):

“No one born of God does not keep on sinning.”

John is not saying a believer never commits a sin.
He is saying a believer cannot live in sin as a settled pattern.

That distinction is everything.

Now Committing sin vs. practicing sin​

This refers to individual acts of sin — failures, lapses, moments of weakness.​

John already acknowledged this earlier saying “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.” (1 John 1:8) and
“If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father.” (1 John 2:1)

So John cannot mean sinless perfection — that would contradict himself within the same letter.

This refers to a pattern , a way of life , ongoing, unrepentant rebellion even sin as identity, not incident.

In Greek, John uses a present continuous tense — meaning ongoing action.

So the sense is.....“No one born of God continues in sin as a way of life.”

---

Why the new birth makes this impossible​

“Because God’s seed abides in him meaning one gets a new nature , a new principle of life , a new direction of desire. And yes, we, the believer may fall, we cannot settle into old lifestyles. We may stumble, but cannot remain comfortable in sin.

John is not teaching sinless perfection but new nature: believers may commit sin, but they cannot practice sin as a settled way of life, because God’s seed abides in them.

GOOD, well Done, the Lord Jesus work is done here, you... ALL ... are OK,

much LOVE in Christ.... keep up the Good work. may God bless you all.

101G

P.S. Got to get ready for church....

 

[Keiw1]

Heb 1:1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Hebrews employs the concept of the superiority of Jesus. The opening prologue establishes Jesus being the superior messenger; for he was the creator of all things including the message he proclaims.




3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.

Here he has superior glory and power to all creation.

After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

Here the time factor shifts from eternity past, to a specific point of time, namely, “after he had provided purification for sins”

So this is establishes a point after the completion of his earthly ministry. Jesus is returning to heaven and resuming the role he had prior to the incarnation. Thus, returning to heaven, he now becomes (again) more superior to the angels, having been “a little lower that the angels” as a mere human subject to death.

His name was never lowered in value, it was always more valuable than any other name. But it says that “(a)fter he had provided purification for sins” that he “inherited” this name; this means that he was 1) worthy of receiving it, and 2) he was an heir of God, and thus a member of the Godhead.

No angel was ever worthy of such honor. Jesus was always higher than and superior to the angels, for he created the angels. Only in the incarnation was he “a little lower than the angels” and this was a self-imposed ‘demotion’ for the sake of mankind.

This in no way means or implies that he was equal to the angels prior to the incarnation, and the first three verses demonstrate that fact!

Doug

Yes had to be appointed as heir--None can appoint God.

 

[Keiw1]

When Jesus comes back, where on earth will His feet touch? Israel! It is not the voice from Jesus, but from Israel's prince, Michael the Archangel. The feet of Jesus split the Mount of Olives in half.

Also in Daniel 10, two other countries' princes are mentioned. Those princes are fallen archangels. Not fallen gods.

No where in Gods 66 books is another archangel mentioned. Symbolism about Mt Olive.

 

[charismaticlady]

And if I might add to this.... slightly different view.

In 1 John 3:9, John writes (literal sense):

“No one born of God does not keep on sinning.”

John is not saying a believer never commits a sin.
He is saying a believer cannot live in sin as a settled pattern.

That distinction is everything.

Now Committing sin vs. practicing sin​

This refers to individual acts of sin — failures, lapses, moments of weakness.​

John already acknowledged this earlier saying “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves.” (1 John 1:8) and
“If anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father.” (1 John 2:1)

So John cannot mean sinless perfection — that would contradict himself within the same letter.

This refers to a pattern , a way of life , ongoing, unrepentant rebellion even sin as identity, not incident.

In Greek, John uses a present continuous tense — meaning ongoing action.

So the sense is.....“No one born of God continues in sin as a way of life.”

---

Why the new birth makes this impossible​

“Because God’s seed abides in him meaning one gets a new nature , a new principle of life , a new direction of desire. And yes, we, the believer may fall, we cannot settle into old lifestyles. We may stumble, but cannot remain comfortable in sin.

John is not teaching sinless perfection but new nature: believers may commit sin, but they cannot practice sin as a settled way of life, because God’s seed abides in them.

Sorry, honey, but John is not contradicting himself in the same letter. He didn't say that 1 John 1:8 is a Christian. Shocker!

I hope you enjoyed your popcorn, but you missed some. What, no emoji for a potty break? LOL You didn't "add." I'm not on your road. Where did you go. I thought we were on the same road.

Believing John is describing all levels of Christians, even the highest who never stumble in 1 John 1:8 is the key mistake the western Church makes in their understanding of an eastern writing style, so they cannot believe 1 John 3:9 as stated. They must change the second to keep their warped understanding of the first.

The Church also rolls over the first sentence of 1 John 2:1 to get to the second, as if it were a lie. "My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin." Period. Believing 1 John 1:8 in the way the western Church does currently, makes this sentence obsolete. A lie in itself.

Jesus is the Advocate to the Father for the whole world, not just baby Christians still immature in some of the fruit of the Spirit. "And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.

1 John 1:7 shows that while walking in the Spirit, the immature fruit of the Spirit keeps getting cleansed as we grow and all other slight mishaps that we don't even know we are doing. They are unintentional because of the Spirit within. What it is not saying is that Christ automatically cleanses us of lawless willful sins unto death as the Reformation taught and OSAS began. Luther even wrote a letter saying SIN BOLDLY. Exactly what Paul spoke against in Romans 6:1 "What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?"

What John is NOT saying anywhere is "believers may commit sin, but they cannot practice sin as a settled way of life." No where does John give permission to willfully sin. Just the opposite.

I'm not sure who invented the term "sinless perfection," do you? I've never heard anyone teach that doctrine as such. But I've heard plenty of pastors on the radio speak against it. That term consists of two words that are a lifetime apart, but both possible."

Sinless is righteous, having no desire to break God's laws. Again, I repeat, that is what Jesus as the Author of our faith begins our walk with Him. That is freedom from lawlessness, John also calls sins unto death.

And perfection is holy as Peter stated where we come to the place of no immaturity also in the fruit of the Spirit and "never stumble," even any sins not unto death, both found in 1 John 5:16-17. This concept has not been upheld in the church since it was taken over by Rome and the dark ages began. And didn't get repaired during the Reformation; in fact, they brought back to life a whole new meaning of grace and made it again a license to sin, unmerited favor. Jude 1:4.

 

[TibiasDad]

So then you believe what is born again is the spirit, making us without a sin nature as other human beings, just a human nature.

No, I believe the sin nature is broken and powerless but still a part of our psyche, just like an old habit that has ruled our actions that we need to replace with new habits taught to us by the Spirit.

We can now say “no” to these old habits the way a spouse can say “no” to their dead spouse to whom they are no longer bound. We are no longer slaves to sin, to have to obey its desires. But its lingering effects are still there to be dealt with and overcome. This is why Paul says in “Rom 8

12Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.

Were the 120 people speaking in tongues heard on the Day of Pentecost in a public place?

Acts2:14Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice and addressed the crowd: “Fellow Jews and all of you who live in Jerusalem, let me explain this to you; listen carefully to what I say. 15These people are not drunk, as you suppose. It’s only nine in the morning!

Peter was not speaking to the 120, but to those outside of the house where the 120 had been and where they, the outer crowd, heard the sound of the mighty rushing wind.

Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

Yes had to be appointed as heir--None can appoint God.

He returned to that which was left behind while on earth. Appointed is in relation to us, for our point of reference, not God’s point of reference. He was returning to the glory he had with God in the beginning. (John 17:5) It was a shared glory, equally possessed by both Father and Son. He had made himself “a little lower than the angels” to become human for his earthy mission, but now returned to assume his rightful place and position that God the Father had assigned for him, though equally God, to have to the Father’s glory.


Doug

 

[TibiasDad]

He didn't say that 1 John 1:8 is a Christian.

Yes, he does! He uses the plural “we” and “us” in the passage as a whole, and the audience to whom he is writing are believers.


Doug