TibiasDad
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What what are the specific words to which you’re referring with respect to the three individuals?
Doug
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Doug
Theos to the Word and satan--Ton Theon to the true living God. Another 100% proof Jesus is not God- John 10-14-- If Jesus doesn't obey his Fathers commands he would fall out of his love. Another proof-Rev 1:1--A rev of Jesus Christ which God gave to him--Is God insane and said--here me have a revelation.
TibiasDad
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Theos and Theon are the same word in different cases. Theos is nominative, Theon is accusative. It means the same exact thing in either case. The only difference is the role it plays in the sentence. Nominative case is generally the subject, while the accusative case is the direct object.
And by the way,1) Satan is called “ho theos” -the god of this world. 2) Jesus didn’t and wouldn’t disobey his Father’s commands, and 3) theoretically speaking, if Jesus disobeyed, it doesn’t mean that God would not love him. After all, we disobey and God still loves us; are we greater than Jesus in God’s eyes?
Doug
John 15:10-14) sorry
Jesus could have disobeyed, Its why satan tempted him at a weak point in the wilderness.
TibiasDad
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I didn’t say that Jesus couldn’t have sinned, I only said that he didn’t sin and that, theoretically speaking, if he did sin that wouldn’t mean God would not love him anymore.
(There is an ongoing debate about whether Jesus was peccable or impeccable, but this is, in my opinion, a mere academic discussion because Jesus didn’t sin.)
Doug
TibiasDad
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One more point, that Jesus was temptable does not necessarily mean he was able to sin. If he was able to sin, temptation might cause it to happen; Satan may not have known whether he was capable of sinning and was trying to find out by tempting him. In the end, Jesus didn’t sin and the question becomes moot.
Doug
John 15:10-14 says he would fell out of his Fathers love.
Satan was most likely the #2 created being, He was the anointed Cherub, given dominion over Eden. But he got jealous. He knew Jesus 100% they were brothers for who knows how many years, could have been billions.
TibiasDad
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There are different levels of love. If I were to be divorced against my will, I would still love my wife, but I wouldn’t be able to express my love fully as I could when we were married. The relationship between us is fractured.
If we are in relationship with Christ, we are in the hight of his love, as a married couple would be in the highest position of love, If we sin, especially without repentance, we are not capable of loving each other at the same level.
Finally, the passage doesn’t speak of Jesus and his father per se, it speaks of us mimicking the relationship that the Father and Son have between them.
9“As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you. Now remain in my love. 10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.
Again, to ask the hypothetical question of ‘what if? about Jesus sinning is a moot point because he never sinned. If we sin, he doesn’t cease to love us, for “we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous one.” (1John 2:1)
Doug
All who fall out of the Fathers love will be destroyed. Especially a perfect one who does, they have 0 chance to repent.
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