Where's the wrath??

So the Mormons are correct? We should not reject all of their doctrines just because they are unbiblical just like we should not reject God pouring wrath on himself just because the Bible is silent on that.
Is that REALLY what an “argument from silence” means?

In scripture, every time wrath appears it is either directed towards the wicked, or it is AVOIDED (typically because of repentance that brought forgiveness). Wrath is “stored for the Day of Wrath” … a future punishment on those that reject God. What is an argument from silence is the transfer of wrath from one person to another. What is an argument from silence is the wrath poured on the innocent. What is an argument from silence is God hating Himself.

I would post scriptures, but NONE EXIST … it is an argument from silence (which is my point and the reason for my objection to that specific claim of PSA).

PSA still has the human speculative WHY for the atonement wrong.

Like I said, I'm not on one side or the other. It's a topic I never considered, so just consider me ignorant on the topic. I was just making the point that one cannot draw a conclusion based on what the Bible does NOT say.
 
So the Mormons are correct? We should not reject all of their doctrines just because they are unbiblical just like we should not reject God pouring wrath on himself just because the Bible is silent on that.
Is that REALLY what an “argument from silence” means?

In scripture, every time wrath appears it is either directed towards the wicked, or it is AVOIDED (typically because of repentance that brought forgiveness). Wrath is “stored for the Day of Wrath” … a future punishment on those that reject God. What is an argument from silence is the transfer of wrath from one person to another. What is an argument from silence is the wrath poured on the innocent. What is an argument from silence is God hating Himself.

I would post scriptures, but NONE EXIST … it is an argument from silence (which is my point and the reason for my objection to that specific claim of PSA).

PSA still has the human speculative WHY for the atonement wrong.


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You do know there are currently 7 theories of Atonement @atpollard --someone in the house is in error.

Just my take-when reading Isaiah 53 I see PSA in every verse-you don't-doesn't mean we are brothers IN Messiah-right?
 
Though often taught from the pulpit and widely accepted within Christianity, there is a common misnomer that God cannot look upon sin.

This misnomer or idea is rooted in a misunderstanding of Habakkuk 1:13, which states, "Your eyes are too pure to look upon evil." To expand upon the meaning of this verse, God cannot look at sin favorably or with complacency. However, this verse does not state that God cannot look at sin or that He cannot allow sin in His presence. God did not turn His back on Adam when he sinned--God sought him out. God did not turn His back on David when he sinned. Jesus sought out Peter after he denied Him 3 times. Judas whom Jesus said one of you is the devil was on of His 12 disciples. In the book of Job, God allowed satan in His presence for a specific purpose. Satan wanted to make a deal with God over His servant, Job. God restricted Satan, telling him that he "can do anything but touch Job" and not to "lay a hand or finger on him." In the wilderness, Jesus allowed the presence of satan (face to face).

Jesus did not turn His back on Saul when he was persecuting the church and sought him out on the Damascus Road and said to him," why are you persecuting Me?" If God did not turn His back on sinners, then neither did the Father turn His back on His only Son who is Holy, Blameless, Sinless, and Righteous just like His Father. The Father turning His back on the Son (at the cross) is not found in Scripture. Jesus ate with sinners, lived among sinners, loves sinners and He suffered and died for sinners.

Wrath- strongs 3709 ὀργή is defined in the Greek lexicon as anger, retribution, vengeance, and indignation. God is not against Himself angrily displaying wrath from the Father to the Son. God is love. In love, He sent His Son. The wrath bearing Son is a new concept not found in Scripture nor the early church fathers (ECFs). God is not against Himself. No one in the Trinity is in opposition, no conflict, no dissension, no strife, no disunity, no dysfunction. As if God were somehow like a sinful human family. There is nothing broken in Our Blessed Trinity.

Jesus bearing God’s wrath and being despised and forsaken by the Father and Him turning His back on the Son is not found in the pages of Scripture. That doctrine was developed in the dark ages during the Reformation and called Penal Substitution Theory of the Atonement or (PSA)

conclusion: PSA is built upon a false premise regarding sin, wrath, forgiveness, love and the Tri-Unity of God. The proponents of PSA misunderstand them all.

hope this helps !!!
 
someone in the house is in error.
You are being generous. My money says all 7 are wrong. ;)

Just my take-when reading Isaiah 53 I see PSA in every verse-you don't-doesn't mean we are brothers IN Messiah-right?
  1. Yup, we are brothers … in the marketplace of “In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things charity (Love)”, this question doesn’t rise above idle speculation.
  2. PSA and WRATH need to be carefully defined. Do you really see the RAGE of God against Sin in every verse of Isaiah 35, or do you see God’s “settled opposition” (Justice) to Sin in every verse? My “objection” is exclusively to GOD’s WRATH (ὀργή G3709 from Romans 9:22; אַף H639 from Exodus 32:10) being applied to GOD (the Son) rather than to the actual punishment of those that reject Him. That is not JUSTICE [Exodus 23:7] according to God.
 
You are being generous. My money says all 7 are wrong
Then both of us might be wrong-

My “objection” is exclusively to GOD’s WRATH (ὀργή G3709 from Romans 9:22; אַף H639 from Exodus 32:10) being applied to GOD (the Son) rather than to the actual punishment of those that reject Him. That is not JUSTICE [Exodus 23:7] according to God.
Not on the Son but the Asham.
 
That is not JUSTICE [Exodus 23:7] according to God.

The guilty going unpunished is not justice according to God.

Yet guilty people are forgiven with the punishment just disappearing, it goes nowhere.

This is a good works God who forgives with no atonement, why is Jesus suffering even necessary?

All this false doctrine just eliminates the very reason, the heart and soul, of what Jesus' suffering even means.
 
The guilty going unpunished is not justice according to God.

Yet guilty people are forgiven with the punishment just disappearing, it goes nowhere.

This is a good works God who forgives with no atonement, why is Jesus suffering even necessary?

All this false doctrine just eliminates the very reason, the heart and soul, of what Jesus' suffering even means.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased Hashem to bruise him; He hath put him to suffering; when Thou shalt make his nefesh an asham offering for sin, he (Moshiach) shall see zera [see Psalm 16 and Yn 1:12 OJBC], He shall prolong his yamim (days) and the chefetz Hashem (pleasure, will of Hashem) shall prosper in his [Moshiach's] hand.
 
The guilty going unpunished is not justice according to God.
We are not “guilty” … we are “forgiven”.

The HEART of God is a story of FORGIVENESS …

Ezekiel 18:19-32 [NKJV]
19 "Yet you say, 'Why should the son not bear the guilt of the father?' Because the son has done what is lawful and right, and has kept all My statutes and observed them, he shall surely live. 20 "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

21 "But if a wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed, keeps all My statutes, and does what is lawful and right, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 "None of the transgressions which he has committed shall be remembered against him; because of the righteousness which he has done, he shall live. 23 "Do I have any pleasure at all that the wicked should die?" says the Lord GOD, "[and] not that he should turn from his ways and live?

24 "But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked [man] does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.

25 "Yet you say, 'The way of the Lord is not fair.' Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair? 26 "When a righteous [man] turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity, and dies in it, it is because of the iniquity which he has done that he dies. 27 "Again, when a wicked [man] turns away from the wickedness which he committed, and does what is lawful and right, he preserves himself alive. 28 "Because he considers and turns away from all the transgressions which he committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29 "Yet the house of Israel says, 'The way of the Lord is not fair.' O house of Israel, is it not My ways which are fair, and your ways which are not fair?

30 "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways," says the Lord GOD. "Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin. 31 "Cast away from you all the transgressions which you have committed, and get yourselves a new heart and a new spirit. For why should you die, O house of Israel? 32 "For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies," says the Lord GOD. "Therefore turn and live!"


… not a story of TRANSFERRED PUNISHMENT.
 
This is a good works God who forgives with no atonement, why is Jesus suffering even necessary?
Rather than offer my human speculation, why does Scripture say Jesus suffering was necessary?
I will be HAPPY to discuss any verse YOU choose to offer up for discussion.

1 Peter 3:18 [NKJV] For Christ also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
  • to bring us to God.
  • (the word “wrath” is neither stated nor implied against Christ)
 
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  • Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased Hashem to bruise him; He hath put him to suffering; when Thou shalt make his nefesh an asham offering for sin, he (Moshiach) shall see zera [see Psalm 16 and Yn 1:12 OJBC], He shall prolong his yamim (days) and the chefetz Hashem (pleasure, will of Hashem) shall prosper in his [Moshiach's] hand.
It is necessary to slay the Passover Lamb in order to apply its blood to protect against the Judgement of God … but nobody HATES the lamb or pours out their RAGE against the lamb.

So too, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world was not HATED by the FATHER …
  • John 10:17-18 [NKJV] "Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."
… He was HATED by evil men:
  • Luke 24:6-7, 19-20 [NKJV] 6 "He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, 7 "saying, 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.' " ... 19 And He said to them, "What things?" So they said to Him, "The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 "and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him.
 
Arguing the priest is literally God so they have to enact actual wrath against the animal is not an intellectually or morally honest position.

God is not unnecessarily cruel, and will reserve his wrath for the object that deserves it.
 
God is not unnecessarily cruel, and will reserve his wrath for the object that deserves it.
THAT is the essence of my argument against WRATH of the Father poured on the Son.
GOD’s WRATH is reserved for the object that deserves it … the reprobates that reject “so great a salvation” to the bitter end (the Day of Wrath) … God’s enemies: not His Children and not His Son.
 
It is necessary to slay the Passover Lamb in order to apply its blood to protect against the Judgement of God … but nobody HATES the lamb or pours out their RAGE against the lamb.
This has nothing to do with-

Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased Hashem to bruise him; He hath put him to suffering; when Thou shalt make his nefesh an asham offering for sin, he (Moshiach) shall see zera [see Psalm 16 and Yn 1:12 OJBC], He shall prolong his yamim (days) and the chefetz Hashem (pleasure, will of Hashem) shall prosper in his [Moshiach's] hand.



Strongs #1792: AHLB#: 1080-E (V)
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1080) Kd% (Kd% DK) ac: Crush co: Mortar ab: ?: The pictograph d is a door representing the idea of moving back and forth. The k is a picture of the palm of the hand representing a bowl from its shape. Combined these pictures mean "the moving back and forth in a cup". Seeds are placed in a stone mortar, a stone cup, the stone pestle is moved around the cup to crush the seeds into a powder.
A) Kd% (Kd% DK) ac: Crush co: Mortar ab: ?
Nm) Kd% (Kd% DK) - I. Crush: II. Small: Something that is crushed thin or into smaller pieces. [df: qd] [freq. 18] |kjv: oppressed, afflicted| {str: 1790, 1851}
fm) Ikd% (Ikd% D-KY) - Wave: Wave A crushing of the surf. [freq. 1] |kjv: wave| {str: 1796}
B) Kkd% (Kkd% DKK) ac: ? co: Powder ab: ?: The fine dust created in the mortar by crushing something.
V) Kkd% (Kkd% D-KK) - Small: To crush or beat something into small pieces. [Hebrew and Aramaic] [df: qqd] [freq. 23] (vf: Paal, Hiphil, Hophal) |kjv: beat small, powder, stamp, bruise, small, dust, beat in pieces, break in pieces| {str: 1854, 1855}
E) Akd% (Akd% DKA) ac: Break co: ? ab: ?
V) Akd% (Akd% D-KA) - Break: To break something by beating it. [freq. 18] (vf: Niphal, Hitpael, Pual, Piel) |kjv: break, break in pieces, crush, bruise, destroy| {str: 1792}
Nm) Akd% (Akd% D-KA) - Broken: Something that is broken into pieces. [freq. 3] |kjv: contrite, destruction| {str: 1793}
F) Kde% (Kde% HDK) ac: Trample co: ? ab: ?: Walking over something to trample on it as with a pestle in a mortar.
V) Kde% (Kde% H-DK) - Trample: [freq. 1] (vf: Paal) |kjv: tread down| {str: 1915}
H) Ekd% (Ekd% DKH) ac: ? co: Bruise ab: ?: Something that is bruised by beating it.
V) Ekd% (Ekd% D-KH) - Bruise: [freq. 5] (vf: Paal, Niphal, Piel) |kjv: break, contrite, crouch| {str: 1794}
Nf1) Ekd% (Ekd% D-KH) - Bruised: [freq. 1] |kjv: wounded| {str: 1795}
J) Kfd% (Kfd% DWK) ac: Beat co: Mortar ab: ?: A beating as with a mortar in a pestle.
V) Kfd% (Kfd% DWK) - Beat: [Hebrew and Aramaic] [df: qwd] [freq. 2] (vf: Paal) |kjv: beat, break into pieces| {str: 1743, 1751}
kf1) Ekfdm% (Ekfdm% M-DW-KH) - Mor [freq. 1] |kjv: mortar| {str: 4085}
M) Kid% (Kid% DYK) ac: Beat co: Siege works ab: ?
Nm) Kid% (Kid% DYK) - Siege works: Engines of war constructed next to a city wall for the purpose of battering it into pieces to allow entry into the city. [df: qyd] [freq. 6] |kjv: fort| {str: 1785}


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Strongs #2470: AHLB#: 1173-H (V)

1173) Lh% (Lh% HhL) ac: Bore co: Hole ab: Pain: A hole is drilled with a tool called a bow drill. The string of the bow is wrapped around the drill. By moving the bow back and forth, and firmly pressing down, the drill spins around drilling the hole. (eng: hole; hollow)
A) Lh% (Lh% HhL) ac: Bore co: Hole ab: Pain: Anything that is bored through, perforated or drilled.
Nm) Lh% (Lh% HhL) - Common: A place, person or thing that is not set apart for a specific function. [Unknown connection to root;] [freq. 7] |kjv: profane, common, unholy| {str: 2455}
Nf1) Elh% (Elh% Hh-LH) - Cake: As perforated. [freq. 14] |kjv: cake| {str: 2471}
fm) Ilh% (Ilh% Hh-LY) - Earring: An ornament that is put through a hole. [freq. 24] |kjv: ornament, jewel| {str: 2483}
ff1) Eilh% (Eilh% HhL-YH) - Earring: An ornament that is put through a hole. [freq. 1] |kjv: jewel| {str: 2484}
if1) Elht% (Elht% THh-LH) - Begin: The spot to be drilled is first scored to make an indentation to accept the drill and the beginning of the drilling is the most difficult as the drill can easily slip out. [freq. 22] |kjv: beginning, first, begin| {str: 8462}
jm/f) Nflh% (Nflh% Hh-LWN) - Window: A hole in the wall. [freq. 31] |kjv: window| {str: 2474}
kf1) Elhm% (Elhm% MHh-LH) - Cave: A place with a hole in the ground or rock. [freq. 1] |kjv: cave| {str: 4247}
lf1) Elhlh% (Elhlh% HhL-Hh-LH) - Pain: As from a piercing sword. [freq. 4] |kjv: pain| {str: 2479}
afm) Ilhm% (Ilhm% MHh-LY) - Pain: As from a piercing sword. [freq. 1] |kjv: disease| {str: 4251}
B) Llh% (Llh% HhLL) ac: Bore co: Flue ab: ?: Anything that is bored through, perforated or drilled.
V) Llh% (Llh% Hh-LL) - I. Pierce: II. Begin: The spot to be drilled is first scored to make an indentation to accept the drill and the beginning of the drilling is the most difficult as the drill can easily slip out. III. Common: To make something common that is meant to be set apart for a special function. [Unknown connection to root;] [freq. 141] (vf: Paal, Niphal, Hiphil, Hophal, Pual, Piel) |kjv: begin, profane, pollute, defile, break, wound, eat, slay| {str: 2490}
Nm) Llh% (Llh% Hh-LL) - Pierced: [freq. 94] |kjv: slay, wound, profane, kill| {str: 2491}
bm) Lilh% (Lilh% Hh-LYL) - Flute: An instrument with drilled holes. [freq. 6] |kjv: pipe| {str: 2485}
bf1) Elilh% (Elilh% Hh-LY-LH) - Far be it: [Unknown connection to root;] [freq. 21] |kjv: god forbid, far be it, lord forbid| {str: 2486}
E) Alh% (Alh% HhLA) ac: Sick co: Disease ab: ?: A spinning or piercing pain.
V) Alh% (Alh% Hh-LA) - Diseased: [freq. 1] (vf: Paal) |kjv: diseased| {str: 2456}
Nf1) Ealh% (Ealh% HhL-AH) - Rust: A metal pitted from oxidation. [freq. 5] |kjv: scum| {str: 2457}
idm) Aflht% (Aflht% THh-LWA) - Sick: [freq. 5] |kjv: disease, sick, sickness, grievous| {str: 8463}
H) Elh% (Elh% HhLH) ac: Sick co: Disease ab: ?: A spinning or piercing pain.
V) Elh% (Elh% Hh-LH) - I. Sick: II. Beseech: To request intervention from a sickness or other trouble. [freq. 75] (vf: Paal, Niphal, Hiphil, Hitpael, Hophal, Pual, Piel) |kjv: sick, beseech, weak, grievous, diseased, wounded, pray, intreat, grief, grieved, sore, pain, infirmity| {str: 2470}
am) Elhm% (Elhm% MHh-LH) - Disease: [freq. 6] |kjv: sickness, disease, infirmity| {str: 4245}
fm) Ilh% (Ilh% Hh-LY) - Sickness: A piercing pain. [freq. 2] |kjv: sickness, disease, grief, sick| {str: 2481}
J) Lfh% (Lfh% HhWL) ac: Twist co: Dance ab: ?: To twist and spin around from joy or pain as the drill.
V) Lfh% (Lfh% HhWL) - Twist: A twisting in pain or joy. [df: lyx] [freq. 62] (vf: Paal, Hophal, Participle) |kjv: pain, formed, bring forth, tremble, travail, dance, calve, grieve, wound, shake| {str: 2342}
Nm) Lfh% (Lfh% HhWL) - Sand: Sand is used as an abrasive ingredient for drilling by placing it in the hole being drilled. [freq. 23] |kjv: sand| {str: 2344}
am) Lfhm% (Lfhm% M-HhWL) - Dance: [freq. 6] |kjv: dance| {str: 4234}
kf1) Elfhm% (Elfhm% M-HhW-LH) - Dance: [freq. 8] |kjv: dance, company| {str: 4246}
M) Lih% (Lih% HhYL) ac: ? co: Wall ab: ?: Bores through the enemy by strongly pressing in.
Nm) Lih% (Lih% HhYL) - I. Wall: What is bored through by the enemy to enter a city. II. Army: What bores through the wall. [Hebrew and Aramaic] III. Pain: A spinning or piercing pain. IV. Power: The strength and wealth of a person or army. [freq. 267] |kjv: wall, rampart, host, trench, poor, bulwark, army, pain, pang, sorrow, man of valour, host, force, valiant, strength, wealth, power, substance, might, strong| {str: 2426, 2427, 2428, 2429}
Nf1) Elih% (Elih% HhY-LH) - Wall: What is bored through by the enemy to enter a city. [freq. 1] |kjv: bulwark| {str: 2430}

- it is evident that 'âshâm has here a sacrificial meaning, and indeed a very definite one, inasmuch as the 'âshâm (the trespass-offering) was a sacrifice, the character of which was very sharply defined. It is self-evident, however, that the 'âshâm paid by the soul of the Servant must consist in the sacrifice of itself, since He pays it by submitting to a violent death; and a sacrifice presented by the nephesh (the soul, the life, the very self) must be not only one which proceeds from itself, but one which consists in itself. If, then, we would understand the point of view in which the self-sacrifice of the Servant of God is placed when it is called an 'âshâm, we must notice very clearly the characteristic distinction between this kind of sacrifice and every other. Many of the ritual distinctions, however, may be indicated superficially, inasmuch as they have no bearing upon the present subject, where we have to do with an antitypical and personal sacrifice, and not with a typical and animal one.

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53:4 "griefs" The word literally means "sickness" (BDB 318, cf. Deut. 28:59,61), but is used in a much wider sense in Hebrew (Isa. 1:6; 6:10). This speaks of Jesus' substitutionary work (cf. Mark 10:45; 2 Cor. 5:21).

Many have tried to interpret this strophe and Isa. 53:5d as teaching that Jesus' death dealt with believers' sins and sicknesses, but this is to misinterpret the parallelism (cf. Ps. 103:3). "Sickness" is a Hebrew idiom for sin (cf. Isa. 1:5-6; Ps. 103:3). My favorite charismatic author, Gordon Fee, has written a powerful booklet on this issue entitled The Disease of the Health and Wealth Gospels.

Special Topic: Healing

"bore. . .carried" These two verbs are parallel.

bore ‒ BDB 669, KB 724, Qal perfect, used of bearing one's guilt, Gen. 4:13; Lev. 5:1,17; 7:18; Num. 5:31; 14:34; Ezek. 14:10; 44:12, but it is also used of someone or some animal bearing another's guilt, cf. Lev. 10:17; 16:22; Num. 14:33; Ezek. 4:4,5,6 and of the suffering Servant's redemptive ministry in Isa. 53:4

carried ‒ BDB 687, KB 741, Qal perfect; this is literally "bear a heavy load," it is used of the Servant in Isa. 53:4 and Isa. 53:11 (Qal imperfect)

Notice the series of verbs in Isa. 53:4-6 of what YHWH did to the Servant for humanity's benefit.

smitten by God,
Isa. 53:4 ‒ BDB 645, KB 697, Hophal participle
afflicted (by God), Isa. 53:4 ‒ BDB 776, KB 853, Pual participle
pierced through for our transgressions, Isa. 53:5 ‒ BDB 319, KB 320, Poal participle
crushed for our iniquities, Isa. 53:5 ‒ BDB 193, KB 221, Pual participle
the chastening for our well being (no verb) upon Him, Isa. 53:5
by His scourging we are healed
, Isa. 53:5

This is the textual foundation for the doctrine of the vicarious, substitutionary atonement.

"Smitten of God"

It was God's will that Jesus die (cf. Isa. 53:10; John 3:16; Mark 10:45; 2 Cor. 5:21). Jesus' trial and death were not accidents or mistakes, but the plan of God (cf. Acts 2:23; 3:18; 4:28; 1 Pet. 1:20).

53:5 "pierced. . .crushed" As "bore" and "carried" in Isa. 53:4 were parallel, so too, these verbs.

pierced ‒ BDB 319, KB 320, Poal participle usually by a sword in battle, but not here. The same root means "polluted" for mankind's purification and forgiveness.
crushed
‒ BDB 193, KB 221, Pual participle; this verb is used several times in Isaiah
Isa. 57:15 ‒ Niphal participle, "the heart of the contrite"
Isa. 3:15 ‒ Piel imperfect, "crushing My people"
Isa. 19:10; 53:5 ‒ Pual participle, "to be crushed"
Isa. 53:10 ‒ Piel infinitive construct, "to crush"
It denotes one who is humbled. In this context by YHWH Himself for the greater good of all mankind.

53:6 This is the OT counterpart to Rom. 3:9-18,23; 5:12,15,18; 11:32; Gal. 3:22. This shows the terrible development of the Fall of Genesis 3 (cf. Gen. 6:5,11-12; Ps. 14:3; 143:2).

"the iniquity of us all to fall on Him"
Jesus died for the sins of the entire world. Everyone is potentially saved by Christ (cf. John 1:29; 3:16-17; 12:47; Rom. 5:18; 1 Tim. 4:10; Titus 2:11; Heb. 2:9; 7:25; 1 John 2:2; 4:14). Only willful unbelief keeps anyone from God.

Some commentators have tried to make a restrictive theological distinction between the "all" [twice] of Isa. 53:6 and "the many" of Isa. 53:11d and 12e. However, the parallelism of Rom. 5:18, "all" and "the many" of Isa. 5:19, clearly shows that they refer to the same group (i.e., fallen humanity made in the image and likeness of YHWH, Gen. 1:26-27).

God desires all humans to be saved ‒ John 4:42, 1 Tim. 2:4; 4:10; 2 Pet. 3:9).

53:6d
NASB, TEV   "fall on"
NKJV, NRSV, REB, Peshitta   "laid on"
NJB   "to bear on"
NET   "to attack"
JPSOA   "visited upon"
LXX   "gave him over to"
The MT has the verb (BDB 803, KB 910, Hiphil perfect), which can mean

cause to light upon (here)
cause one to entreat (KB 910, Hiphil, #2)
interpose (cf. Isa. 53:12, Qal participle)
attack or assail (NET, p. 1269, #10)

I'll stay with what stands written and the reading-same as you.
 
Is 53:10 which can also mean meek , humble not not just crushed . See Brown Driver and Briggs OT lexicon for proof .

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it was the LORD’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand

Below we see the same Hebrew word has various meanings.

Psalm 34:18
The LORD is near to the brokenhearted; He saves the contrite in spirit.

Jeremiah 44:10
To this day they have not humbled themselves or shown reverence, nor have they followed my law and the decrees I set before you and your ancestors.

The word means humbled, contrite, meek see BDB- Brown Driver Briggs lexicon of the O.T.

So Isaiah 53:10 can read it was the Lords will to humble him and cause him to suffer.

The wrath of God (Isaiah 53)


Within the study of the doctrine on PSA, the central O.T. passage it comes from is found in Isaiah 53.

Let us look at how the N.T. quotes Isaiah 53 and see how the N.T. writers viewed the passages and used them in the N.T. and what language from Isaiah 53 they applied to Jesus in the N.T. regarding suffering wrath from God.

In doing so, a few things stand out. There is no penal aspect/ language Isaiah used that is carried over in the N.T. but that of substitution. Isaiah 53:4- WE(not God) considered Him punished by God.

The following NT passages quote Isaiah 53: Matthew 8:14-17; Mark 15:27-32; John 12:37-41; Luke 22:35-38; Acts 8:26-35; Romans 10:11-21; and 1 Peter 2:19-25.

Not one of them uses any penal language where PSA gets its doctrine from in Isaiah 53 in the New Testament.

Scripture interprets scripture, precept upon precept. The N.T. completely left out the penal/wrath aspect that many teach. At best its an argument from silence. And at its worst- its unbiblical.

The fact is the Father did not kill the Son nor was He responsible for His death. The Son did not suffer any wrath from the Father . The NT evidence from Jesus and the Apostle’s say otherwise.

The Bible leans on Expiation rather than propitiation in both N.T. and O.T. understanding.

Thayers
ἱλασμός
, ἱλασμοῦ, ὁ (ἱλάσκομαι);

1. an appeasing, propitiating, Vulg.propitiatio (Plutarch, de sera num. vind. c. 17; plural joined with καθαρμοι, Plutarch, Sol. 12; with the genitive of the object τῶν θεῶν, the Orphica Arg. 39; Plutarch, Fab. 18; θεῶν μῆνιν ἱλασμοῦ καί χαριστηριων δεομένην, vit. Camill. 7 at the end; ποιεῖσθαι ἱλασμόν, of a priest offering an expiatory sacrifice, 2 Macc. 3:33).
; προσοίσουσιν ἱλασμόν, for חַטָּאת, Ezekiel 44:27; περί τῶν ἁμαρτιῶν, of Christ, 1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10 (κριός τοῦ ἱλασμοῦ, Numbers 5:8; (cf. ἡμέρα τοῦ ἱλασμοῦ, Leviticus 25:9); also for סְלִיחָה, forgiveness, Psalm 129:4 (); Daniel 9:9, Theod.). (Cf. Trench, § lxxvii.

1 John 2:2- Propitiation- Cambridge
The word for ‘propitiation’ occurs nowhere in N. T. but here and in 1 John 4:10; in both places without the article and followed by ‘for our sins’. It signifies any action which has expiation as its object, whether prayer, compensation, or sacrifice. Thus ‘the ram of the atonement’ (Numbers 5:8) is ‘the ram of the propitiation’ or ‘expiation’, where the same Greek word as is used here is used in the LXX. Comp. Ezekiel 44:27; Numbers 29:11; Leviticus 25:9. The LXX. of ‘there is forgiveness with Thee’ (Psalm 130:4) is remarkable: literally rendered it is ‘before Thee is the propitiation’ (ὁ ἱλασμός). So also the Vulgate, apud Te propitiatio est. And this is the idea that we have here: Jesus Christ, as being righteous, is ever present before the Lord as the propitiation. With this we should compare the use of the cognate verb in Hebrews 2:17 and cognate substantive Romans 3:25 and Hebrews 9:5. From these passages it is clear that in N. T. the word is closely connected with that special form of expiation which takes place by means of an offering or sacrifice, although this idea is not of necessity included in the radical signification of the word itself. See notes in all three places.


Better Translations of 1 John 2:2

New American Bible

He is expiation for our sins, and not for our sins only but for those of the whole world.

NET Bible
and he himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for our sins but also for the whole world.

New Revised Standard Version
and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

New International Version
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Berean Standard Bible
He Himself is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

International Standard Version
It is he who is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world's.

Here is the only other use from 1 John 4:10 that the NASB translated as propitiation.

Below love is used 13 times which is the overwhelming evidence it means atoning sacrifice, expiation and not propitiation which would be in direct contradiction to the context of the passage and Johns emphasis on Gods love used 13 times in the passage. Context determines the meaning of a word and its clear from the context hilasmos means expiation and not propitiation.

1 John 4:7-12
7 Dear friends, let us love one another, for lovecomes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we lovedGod, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12 No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us. NIV

Now here is the interesting thing its used in the context of Gods love, not Gods anger/wrath that needs appeasing. There are better translations of the Greek word below. The "context" makes it clear in 1 John 4 that its Gods love and not His anger/wrath that needs appeasing that is the emphasis in the passage.

New International Version
This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

New American Bible
In this is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as expiation for our sins.

NET Bible
In this is love: not that we have loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrifice for our sins.

New Revised Standard Version
In this is love, not that we loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the atoning sacrificefor our sins.

hope this helps !!!
 
It's not always easy to take a strong stand for the truth!
I know what you mean-believe me.

Yet it pleased Hashem to bruise him;--

Offering for sin - (Rom_3:25; 1Jn_2:2; 1Jn_4:10); asham, sin, with reference to its guilt and penalty. So a sin offering 2Co_5:21 accords with the English version, "He (the Father) hath made Him (the Son) to be sin for us, who knew no sin, that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him."

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